Sam thanks so much for chiming in! A real recovery honestly is worth so much.
Would you mind if you can giving me as much details as possible on how long it took to recover after? What PCT you ran etc? How long you had PFS prior and symptoms of it, if you don’t mind?
Thank you thank you.
To answer the question directly though, I think anyone who’d recovered could ask me why I didn’t try their tribulus protocol or Chi’s diet protocol or Cdnut’s TMO protocol. For me now I think it’s just a case of running through the ones that have been successful and picking one to stick to. It does definitely seem that a sudden disruption to the HPTA axis with androgens swinging around has been part of a large number of recoveries, so this was just my next try.
Again, thanks much in advance for anything more you can share. Also congratulations on beating it mate and I’m VERY happy you got your life and body back.
See, scientists done what you want.
Simply interesting, in which manner you will get tetrahydroprogesterone with testosterone?
Or how you get again 17-beta estradiol? Testosterone is high, but where is estradiol?..
Sometimes PFS is persistent. It means one thing - there have place irreversible damage to organism, that can’t be repaired by homeostasis. May be neurons death, I guess. And time of recovery in transient cases asserts my hypothesis.
But today even big brains can’t answer: https://sci-hub.se/10.1007/s12020-018-1593-5
Best thing that you can do - don’t masturbate with testosterone hightening and dreams that it can upper activity of 5-a reductase and it will normalise your neurohormones.
You will feel better, no doubts. But thanks to typical testosterone’s classical biochemistry. But hormones as before you will not get.
Better try to infuence at neurons directly and compensate lowered endogenous neurotransmitters. I would tried next and in combination(including all):
Yohimbine, melanotan-2/Pt-141, dopamine agonists, antidepressants that upper serotonin(only use in combination with amantadine), trenbolone, DHEA, androstendione. May be progesterone.
Thanks for taking the time on that krukeex! Yes, I’m very familiar (as are most PFS sufferers) with Melcangi. He does what he does and I think was the first to uncover the increased densities of androgen receptors in people with PFS.
It could be true that in some PFS is persistent, but even with Melcangi (and Harvard before and Baylor to come) there are still theories, but nothing concrete and definite as far as cause and treatment - indeed far from it. Nobody knows the direct cause, any consistent treatment and certainly no reliable cure, so we’re left to ourselves.
Time heals some, that’s for certain, and by the sounds of it from worse places than myself too. And some heal from repairing the gut microbiome (or so they’d say - could be relationship with serotonin? Who knows…) Some healed from antibiotics, some from messing with the HPTA axis in some regard. In the absence of facts and guarantees though all we can do is experiment or giev up, and I’m not one for giving up.
Hopefully Baylor has something interesting for us but I’m doubtful. Even if there is a science-based cure or treatment it’ll be decades away I’d imagine. I don’t have decades, I have a life that was taken from me by Merck’s lies and 8 pills of Finasteride, so what I do have are experiments and hope.
Thanks for the post and please nobody reading this touch fin ever.
You can check my past posts, they go pretty in depth.
TLDR: SHBG shot through the roof and T production halted on Finasteride. Once I got off my T went back up a little but the damage was done.
Being on Propeciahelp was the worst because everyone was peddling different cures and generally being apocalyptic and saying “TRT wont help anyone.” I looked at most of the TRT protocols and they seemed, generally speaking, not well thought out or people would bail quickly.
I jumped on TRT keeping my free T around 20 and not having an AI and I made a full recovery. I do not see the need to jump on a cycle, that seems like typical Propeciahelp extreme thinking. @ncsugrad2002 has had some different struggles but also generally seems to be improving. Though he can tell you his own story if he has not already.
Seemed the same for me… I only have blood tests 6 months or so after symptoms began so I can’t say for sure, but my SHBG was insanely high(150+) and free T was single digits, very very low. E2 was very low as well.
This couldn’t be more true. It was so depressing reading that forum all the time and because of all the crazy “cures” I tried so many different things that I honesty feel like I made myself worse at the time. It def. didn’t help. Tribulus was the only thing that helped for a couple of days.
TRT wise most of the people I’ve seen on there try either didn’t have blood tests that looked like they NEEDED TRT or they took a stupid high/low dose and didn’t wait long enough.
By “needed TRT” I mean there seems to be 2 types of PFS, or at least 2 extremes on blood results. One type looks pretty normal or even has high-normal T levels. This type seems to be some sort of receptor issue, more androgens doesn’t help with this unfortunately. The other type seems to be super high SHBG/low free T and TRT DOES help a lot of people with this case. This is obviously the group where I fell.
People on the PFS forums would take testosterone, get their levels to “normal” as quickly as possible and do more blood work (I’m talking like a week or two later). They would see their levels as “normal” but their symptoms still there and believe TRT didn’t work. Here we all know we want to stay on a steady protocol for 6-8 weeks minimum to see positive results, not change it or give up as soon as our blood tests looked decent, which is what people were doing when it “didn’t work”
Correct, I am def. better than I was before starting TRT but I’ve had my ups and downs, partially of my own making with switching from injections (right when they started working very well) to cream and back to injections due to transference concerns to my wife. Every time it’s taken 7 weeks to get positive results. Before then I was all over the place.
Before TRT my post stopping finasteride self could maybeeee have sex successfully 2x a week at best. 1x a week was pretty reliable. At my best on TRT I was 7-8x a week (one night was 2x with like 2 hours in-between, which is crazy for me) and pretty much every day without any issues. Right now I’m at like 3-4x a week with some slight difficulty but not impossible level. I hope to improve in the next few weeks now that I’m back on a steady injection schedule/dose. I’m 3 weeks in on being back on injections so I probably have 3-4 more before I get over the hill so to speak.
Hiya… did you manage to get your shbg down and up your free t . Is libidio working ? I’m suffering the same issues with high shgb and very low free t . Was wondering how you got on ?
