Deca Dick and Dr Scally's Power PCT - Thoughts?

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Hello all,

Just wanted to start this thread and get a few thoughts and opinions. I don’t have Deca Dick myself, but have ED and cognitive sides from Post Finasteride Syndrome (might be part of the same thing, unsure.)

Reason I’ve asked is a few people have recovered from PFS from steroid cycles and/or (largely and anecdotally mostly clomid) PCTs. I’ve read too (again anecdotally) many aggressive PCTs cured Deca Dick and especially Dr Scally’s Power PCT resolved sexual disfunction in some.

Anyways, just wanted to collect some thoughts and opinions on either curing Deca Dick with this protocol and indeed the Power PCT in general. My initial thoughts (again from an internet-research true amateur) is the HCG is a bit much and a bit too often (I’d have thought it shouldn’t be any more than 1000iu/wk) but interested to hear what folks think. Several opinions on it out there and several claims of it resolving HPTA upsets.

For ref, Power PCT is:
Day 1-20 : 2000iu HCG EOD.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 40mg/day (20mg AM/PM) + Clomid 100mg/day (50mg AM/PM)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 40mg/day (20mg AM/PM)

All thoughts and musings and anything even vaguely relevant welcome ofc.

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In terms of the hCG blasts, from when I used to PCT, I found that the higher doses were needed to “wakeup” the testes from their atrophied state (assuming hCG was not used throughout the cycle). The lower doses kept them functioning if they had not shut down prior.

In regards to curing deca dick, I cant say what cured mine, or if I am even fully cured. Its been years since I had DD but erections haven’t been the same (in regards to maintaining them, not achieving). I believe another short cycle of Test prop and masteron sorted me out but I cant remember exactly.

SB

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You’re trying to cure deca dick despite not having it? Or are you making the assumption that your PFS is similar enough to DD that you can approach it from the same angle? Because if it’s the latter than you’re going to be disappointed. PFS is caused by…who tf knows? Nobody has come up with any compelling evidence that points to one cause. I’ve read numerous theories, some that even make sense. But so far I have yet to see anyone actually get any better on a permanent basis. From what’s out there now (which of course can change rapidly) PFS is not reversible in the way that other things are. It seems to permanently change things and guys have luck by tinkering around the margins. But it’s still such an unknown problem that I suspect there is an effective treatment out there that’s yet undiscovered.

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Hey Singhbuilder,

I’ve read a lot of your posts on deca dick in here. I’m suffering real bad for 18 months now. Test level is the same before I ever cycled, estrogen and prolactin is in range said doc. Did 2 cycles, one of test and one of test and deca, 300deca 500test, was told it was a low enough dose not to take ai and caber… fuck me. started taking ai and some prami but nothing changed. prami didn’t do anything so maybe it was bunk as it didn’t make me feel nauseous or anything.

Bloods seem to be ok so here are my options.

1.Wait until the 2 year mark, seems to be where some other guys eventually recovered.

  1. Run a low dose test cycle with hcg and hefty pct. (read most cases being solved this way…)

  2. Source some caber and see if it helps

My biggest first symptoms were not being able to cum and extremely depressed and I had no idea why.

Would really love a reply,
Thanks in advance

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Thanks for posting @iron_yuppie - yep, pretty much tinkering around the margins is what we’ve got. Many have in fact been cured or just eventually got better, and lots of fora out there are experimenting. But you’re right in saying there’s absolutely no concrete knowledge of what it is let alone how to sort it, and as you’ve probably read nothing that consistently helps everyone - some things that cure one person make someone else permanently worse. May even be a lot of separate issues all together and not one central one. Again, nobody knows.

But, if nobody knows then nobody knows XYZ won’t work either, which leaves much hope for experimentation. Several have been cured from clomid PCTs (who may even just have had some huge endocrine system challenge from fin and reset it that way) and at least two (neither of which I can find) snapped back after steroid/PCT cycles.

Very very recently I’ve had IMMENSE luck in fixing mental sides on the snapback following 6 weeks of licorice root (450mg) kudzu root (500mg) and nystatin (500kx15/day.) Many more qualified than myself pondering on that.

Anyways, back to me I’m fairly set on my short Test Prop cycle, which I may run HCG with also, and then hefty PCT to follow. My only thinking behind it is, aside form it curing a few folks before now, is “stirring the pot” of the HPTA axis and taking HDAC inhibitors (Butyrate and BHB) might nudge an epigenetic change, if genes have indeed been silenced from fin. After that (or maybe before) microdosing fin for short cycles (as in, 01mg/day for a few days then weaning off) might be another. Although fin has a pretty flat dose response!

Another huge problem is just how hopeless PFS makes a person, and a lot of people. I’ve personally lost 10-15lbs in lean body mass, my fiancee, almost my job but definitely my career to the mental sides. But I’m not one to quit and there’s a lifetime of protocols to try and hey, time passes also which has cured some too. I’m not going to quit, but thanks to this site and many others I can at least have a semi-informed experiment first!

Thanks everyone for chiming in. Carry on! :slight_smile:

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I thought I’d share this from a reddit thread about Deca dick, Npp and PSSD.

“thought I’d post here as I have successfully cured PSSD after taking Effexor.

What is really scary is that I took Effexor for only 4-7 weeks and I had full ED for 10 months after that. It’s also strange because I was still horny everyday and wanted to have sex all the time. It’s just that my dick didn’t work. Literally full ED.

When I realized I had ed I obviously tried viagra and even 100mg of viagra didn’t help. I was only able to get to like 50% boner which was still not enough to have sex. Then I tried cialis and it still didn’t fully help.

After 3 After reading a lot of reports and articles about SSRI and hormones on the internet I decided to go on 50mg proviron ed and 100mg test ew (which I later increased to 150mg as I was getting low e2 symptoms). And during this time I was still taking 20mg cialis ed. And later I added 0,25mg caber e3.5d.

I stayed on this stack/hrt for a few months and my dick finally started working one day and since then I’m getting a lot of random boners, I get hard in like a second and have a lot of sex all the time it’s like it never happened. My libido is very high.

This also made me a bit scared to run other hormones but especially nandrolone but now I’m 7 weeks on deca and it seems to have no effect on my libido. The only aas that did have a bad effect in my libido was dbol. The first time I tried it I added it to my hrt and it basically made me last forever in bed, and the second time it was with high test I stopped getting random boners throughout a day. I attribute this to e2 and dbol itself as I seem to respond to it very badly.

After this experience I’m definety never going on any SSRI ever again. Fortunately my ed was fully cured, but it’s really scary that only a month or two can have such a lasting effect.

TL;DR: took Effexor for a few weeks had ED for 10months but fortunately it subsided like it never happened”

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Thank you for that. Yes it’s believed that PSSD and PFS might be very similar, if not the same thing.

I myself seem to have had some luck cycling licorice root (450mg) kudzu root (500mg) and nystatin (500000x5 3/day) for almost two months and the snapback has done some good.

One of the bigger problems seems to be in PFS a real lack of response to androgens, but after a bit more research I do intend to do 6-8 weeks on a fairly low dose Prop cycle, as there are reports of cycles (following the PCT) curing people. Mechanism of it is unknown of course, but could be “stirring the pot” of the HPTA axis, could be re-sensitising some receptors to DHT/androgens or anything. But I’ve got spots back on my upper back now and slight BO is returning. Could be a good sign so I might well try it.

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If you can, I would wait it out. There are so many theories behind why deca dick happens, from neurotransmitter problems to androgen receptor issues to nerve damage. Mine has never really been fully cured in all honesty, I’ve just learned to live with it and to have some viagra handy when needed.

If your bloods are normal, caber wont help. I personally hate caber, makes me feel like a bag of shit.

I would wait it out or do a low dose testosterone cycle, but thats not guaranteed to fix it.

SB

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How long have you had Deca dick? What was the cycle?

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Hey there - Deca dick isn’t my issue but I have Post Finasteride Syndrome. I seem to be having touch wood some luck clearing the mental sides, but the sexual sides could be (or could not be) the same as/similar to Deca dick.

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man… is having hair worth it?

I rather be bald and shave my head then have to deal with all that noise

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FUNNILY ENOUGH I discovered having hair is not worth it, no.

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I’m still killing it at the gym on industrial TRT, however, I was asked by a gym buddy about his cycle, not that I know much about that stuff, however, having done some research on Deca Dick (for him):

Testosterone Increases cause increases of DHT. DHT = good for sexual effects.
Nandralone Deconate (Deca Durabolin) reduces to DHN. DHN = feminizing effects.

The DHN rise may cause a cascade of problems with the neuro steroid balance that regulates blood flow to the penis tissues.

Hence, if you flood the body with enough DHT, the effects of DHN are supposedly less, that’s the theory.

However, you still need some industrial strength viagra and cialis to overcome the effects that the neuro steroids have on the penile tissues. (Counteract the neuro steroids??)

Hence you see stacks like 600 test (e3.5)/ 250 deca (e7)/ 100 viagra (e1 / eod)

Just some research I complied from the medical library for a buddy.

EDIT: There is some debate about the amount of daily ED drugs (cialis / viagra) some research indicates that 20 mg / day is actually good long term… also, in some cases depending on sensitivity and dosage of nandrolone deconate, some reccomend proviron, despite it not being used in the US.

MS

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Yes I wondered at this. I’d have THOUGHT now with scalp itch and hairloss coming back now it menas “some” androgen receptors and working and DHT (most importantly indicating 5AR) is present and working. Indeed, of all the bloods I’ve ever taken DHT and test have been fine - post-crash test was a little low but both came back to mid-range. Which, frustratingly enough, does seem to be fairly normal in PFS. Hormones are ok, they’re just not doing anything.

So we (and some way more medically inclined than me) wondered at androgen receptor silencing, and indeed there IS a method of cycling IML’s R-Andro (long since discontinued though I do have several bottles) and herbal PCTs, the pondering on that one being that the body sees 6-8 weeks of high DHT, and desensitises receptors (epigenetic change or not IDK) and then when DHT is withdrawn, the snapback occurs where the body un-silences the genes and re-sensitises the receptors again. Maybe.

So I’d assume that with a few HDAC inhibitors thrown in (butyrate and BHB I might keep up) then a Prop/anything cycle (Prop I’ve chosen for the consistent-ish test state) and AI included (many in PFS suspect NEUROSTEROIDS esp estrogen to be an issue) we might get DHT high in brain and blood, estrogen squished down to leave test > DHT conversion “unopposed” and HCG to keep/revive testicle function a bit. Then slam the brakes on it all with PCT, further smashing estrogen down and “shuffling” the HPTA axis hard. Then seeing where it drops us a couple of months post-PCT.

It’s theory based on speculation based on very little, but there are reports of people suddenly recovering after PCTs alone (largely clomid) and even a couple following test cycles, though I assume test enanthate. But I don’t know.

If that idea doesn’t sort me I’ve other experiments to try myself. Cortisol regulation through licorice root and serotonin fiddling with kudzu root (though was also on nystatin at the time) seems to have done wonders. Glucorticoid receptors has been thrown around often. Might be a factor too?

Anyways nobody really knows, but that’s why we experiment (semi-sensibly…)

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The scalp / hair loss thing is strictly genetic from what I have read. You either are sensitive to DHT or you are not.

However, some people are sensitive and explode in acne as well. Luckily, I do not have hair loss or any propensity to that, nor have I gotten acne (like in high school, ugh…)… but I’m on 200 / wk Test C.

From what I have read, responsible use is for every 200-600 mg Test C/E, you should run somewhere in the range of 250-500 iu (1/2 ml/cc) of HCG E4D. This keeps things alive while on… so that if you discontinue you can bounce right back fairly fast.

However, in resepct to the Deca Dick issue, for example, with Cialis, 20 mg / day, possibly some proviron if neccessary… (debatable depends on the person and protocol) and Test C/E at 2x the amount of Nandrolone Deconate, tends to turn that ship around.

The Cialis and the DHT from the extra Test C/E as well as the Proviron tends to do a lot of “subtle” not yet mapped out almost “magical” things that release metabolites which synergize the effects of the other compounds and make them play “nicer” together. Prov is extremely androgenic barely anabolic so there is that factor. There was not enough data on the dosing and usage of Prov in the materials I was reading to even remotely pretend I’d know a dose for that.

Really, there is the feminization effect from DHN and that neurosteroid thing. Often there is more than one thing working against the function of the penile tissues from what I was reading.

It is really quite hard to find this data anymore, the treatises are becoming harder to source at the libraries and modern medical books poo poo anything steroid related except for aids wasting and burn victims.

So far from what I’m reading when used in REASONABLE medical doses, some of these compounds are absolutely amazing.

Better living through chemistry right? Apparently now, all doctors are “sick care” and not intellectual doctors.

MS

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