[quote]beats- wrote:
I think…
Doing drugs with friends and experimenting is pretty much a part of life now. Its when you go from doing it with friends to doing it by yourself when you have a problem. Self control.[/quote]
We’ll see where you are in 10 years. Keep us posted.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Remember kids, man made drugs are bad.
I have to step up and call bullshit on this argument.
See a lotta cats out there these days saying oh “This
can’t be bad for me…it’s natural”
Bitch, please. Let’s run down the list of Natural things
that can seriously fuck you up:
I’ll allow the argument that pot isn’t that bad because it’s a relativly tame drug, possibly tamer than alcohol. But just 'cause something’s natural doesn’t mean it’s designed by God for human consumption.
If anything, the more artifical it is…the more suited it is for human use (this argument is equally moronic).
Rant Over. [/quote]
Hurricanes are made by the US Government to ensure worldwide population, so your argument fails good sir.
But for the record, I was kidding. But Cannabis is pretty tame.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.[/quote]
No. Whatever you guys are saying is too simplistic (naive?) and implies that addiction is wholly psychological and not based on lasting changes in brain chemistry.
Here’s some reading on where neuroscientists are currently at in terms of studying addiction at the molecular level:
http://www.sciam.com/search/index.cfm?q=drug+addiction&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=submit
[quote]chillain wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.
No. Whatever you guys are saying is too simplistic (naive?) and implies that addiction is wholly psychological and not based on lasting changes in brain chemistry.
Here’s some reading on where neuroscientists are currently at in terms of studying addiction at the molecular level:
http://www.sciam.com/search/index.cfm?q=drug+addiction&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=submit
[/quote]
So you can’t consciously make a decision? Really?
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
chillain wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.
No. Whatever you guys are saying is too simplistic (naive?) and implies that addiction is wholly psychological and not based on lasting changes in brain chemistry.
Here’s some reading on where neuroscientists are currently at in terms of studying addiction at the molecular level:
So you can’t consciously make a decision? Really?[/quote]
If it were only that simple.
Look up limbic system and dopamine, for starters. And if you’re up to it, go ahead and read some of those articles I already linked.
[quote]chillain wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
chillain wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.
No. Whatever you guys are saying is too simplistic (naive?) and implies that addiction is wholly psychological and not based on lasting changes in brain chemistry.
Here’s some reading on where neuroscientists are currently at in terms of studying addiction at the molecular level:
So you can’t consciously make a decision? Really?
If it were only that simple.
Look up limbic system and dopamine, for starters. And if you’re up to it, go ahead and read some of those articles I already linked.
[/quote]
it IS that simple. Drugs to not implant anything that makes the decision for you. Ulitamtely YOU decide what you do. Anything else is just an excuse.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[…]
My story has to do with what happens when you think you have it under control. ;}[/quote]
Best post so far.
Makkun
Drugs are ultimately a choice, and so is kicking the habit. Some have a physical and/or pyschological addiction, but you can get treatment to remove it from your lifestyle. Just consider that everything has consequences.
So if and when the shit hits the fan, don’t complain about it. Don’t be so arrogant to think you are above the bullshit, because its coming. Just a matter of when.
One of two things would appear:
a) Drug addiction is real.
b) We have an out of control epidemic of people that possess poor decision making skills.
I know that you young people do not think that it will ever happen to you and that you have it under control. In another 5, 10, or 15 years, you will regret many of the choices you have made. Mark my words.
It is human nature to justify why the things we do are acceptable. Some of you will have to dig yourself out of a very deep, dark hole before you realize what you are doing to yourselves and the people around you.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
chillain wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
chillain wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.
No. Whatever you guys are saying is too simplistic (naive?) and implies that addiction is wholly psychological and not based on lasting changes in brain chemistry.
Here’s some reading on where neuroscientists are currently at in terms of studying addiction at the molecular level:
http://www.sciam.com/search/index.cfm?q=drug+addiction&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=submit
So you can’t consciously make a decision? Really?
If it were only that simple.
Look up limbic system and dopamine, for starters. And if you’re up to it, go ahead and read some of those articles I already linked.
it IS that simple. Drugs to not implant anything that makes the decision for you. Ulitamtely YOU decide what you do. Anything else is just an excuse.[/quote]
zephead, your posts are starting to sound stupid. You obviously did not read a single one of the many articles linked in chillains very good post. Addiction is a LOT more complicated than someone making a simple decision one way or another. This is the first time I have seen the subject tackled this scientifically, and it is an eye opener, very enlightening.
I won’t go into my own experience with addiction here, but I have plenty of personal experience as well as rich secondary (witness) experience, and I will say that anybody who thinks that it is as simple as just deciding to say “no” one day has no real firsthand experience with the topic at hand. It is the same as theorists and pie-in-the-sky “trainers” versus people who have achieved real world results. Addiction to hard drugs (I actually include alcohol in this), is a whole other animal, and I think that the entire subject is more misunderstood than it is understood, at this point.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Another college friend, who was an experienced drug user but a great guy had a bad acid trip and was committed to a mental hospital for quite a while.[/quote]
He already had issues, the LSD just pulled them to the surface and he couldn’t handle it.
I had taken over 200 hits of very high grade LSD from 1997-1999, in all of those times I had one “bad” trip. What caused the bad trip, the situation I was in, I had just broken up with my girlfriend and was in a bad mood to start with, the LSD just made me super depressed, I ended up just curling up into a ball in the corner of my room for 12ish hours.
I have seen others have “bad” trips and every one of them was either in a bad frame of mind or already had other mental issues.
I have never done Coke or Heroin and never plan on, both of them are very very dangerous drugs that can have some nasty primary and secondary side effects.
This thread has been very informative. I’m not much of a drug user–I’ve smoked pot a few times, and smoke cigarettes occaisonally–but this thread, people’s experiences, my own, and whatnot have really been very eye-opening. I’m not going to use any drugs any more, not that I really have been. It really is quite ridiculous.
A good bunch of my friends started using marijuana somewhat recently, at first just once in a while, for fun, but it seems to have gotten rather out of hand lately. I know cannabis isn’t technically addictive, and usage has little health risk, if any, but it seems that they have to smoke all the time now. Every day. Every time we go out, at some point they smoke. If they don’t, it’s because they couldn’t find any that night. I know a guy that’s been high for the past few months. It’s really starting to annoy me. I think I might have to have a few discussions this week.
[quote]Nanan wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Another college friend, who was an experienced drug user but a great guy had a bad acid trip and was committed to a mental hospital for quite a while.
He already had issues, the LSD just pulled them to the surface and he couldn’t handle it.
I had taken over 200 hits of very high grade LSD from 1997-1999, in all of those times I had one “bad” trip. What caused the bad trip, the situation I was in, I had just broken up with my girlfriend and was in a bad mood to start with, the LSD just made me super depressed, I ended up just curling up into a ball in the corner of my room for 12ish hours. I have seen others have “bad” trips and every one of them was either in a bad frame of mind or already had other mental issues.
I have never done Coke or Heroin and never plan on, both of them are very very dangerous drugs that can have some nasty primary and secondary side effects.
[/quote]
We ALL have issues. He had tripped many, many times before without a problem.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
A good bunch of my friends started using marijuana somewhat recently, at first just once in a while, for fun, but it seems to have gotten rather out of hand lately. I know cannabis isn’t technically addictive, and usage has little health risk, if any, but it seems that they have to smoke all the time now.
Every day. Every time we go out, at some point they smoke. If they don’t, it’s because they couldn’t find any that night. I know a guy that’s been high for the past few months. It’s really starting to annoy me. I think I might have to have a few discussions this week.[/quote]
It’s always fun. Cannabis acts as “fun amplifier”, it makes everything more fun. If you want to ask them to slowdown once or twice that is cool with most people, but if your going to be an asshole about smoking(bugging them every time, telling about dangers of smoking), they will avoid you. Next time I’d just relax and being sober around high people can be fun.
Smoking everyday is fun, but can be a big drain on the wallet and it also gets boring. So they will probably lessen their usage soon enough. This doesn’t always happen, how long has this been going on?
[quote]SeanT wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
A good bunch of my friends started using marijuana somewhat recently, at first just once in a while, for fun, but it seems to have gotten rather out of hand lately. I know cannabis isn’t technically addictive, and usage has little health risk, if any, but it seems that they have to smoke all the time now.
Every day. Every time we go out, at some point they smoke. If they don’t, it’s because they couldn’t find any that night. I know a guy that’s been high for the past few months. It’s really starting to annoy me. I think I might have to have a few discussions this week.
It’s always fun. Cannabis acts as “fun amplifier”, it makes everything more fun. If you want to ask them to slowdown once or twice that is cool with most people, but if your going to be an asshole about smoking(bugging them every time, telling about dangers of smoking), they will avoid you. Next time I’d just relax and being sober around high people can be fun.
Smoking everyday is fun, but can be a big drain on the wallet and it also gets boring. So they will probably lessen their usage soon enough. This doesn’t always happen, how long has this been going on?[/quote]
Months. I’ve been fine with it for the most part, but it’s becoming irritating. I’ve never asked them not to, nor have I been judgmental of their usage, but I don’t see why they have to use constantly. I think they might be forgetting they can have fun without it. Also, I’m growing very tired of listening to drug-fueled philosophy. There are only so many times one can hear ‘It’s like you understand everything’ before one has to throw down.
[quote]SeanT wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
A good bunch of my friends started using marijuana somewhat recently, at first just once in a while, for fun, but it seems to have gotten rather out of hand lately. I know cannabis isn’t technically addictive, and usage has little health risk, if any, but it seems that they have to smoke all the time now.
Every day. Every time we go out, at some point they smoke. If they don’t, it’s because they couldn’t find any that night. I know a guy that’s been high for the past few months. It’s really starting to annoy me. I think I might have to have a few discussions this week.
It’s always fun. Cannabis acts as “fun amplifier”, it makes everything more fun. If you want to ask them to slowdown once or twice that is cool with most people, but if your going to be an asshole about smoking(bugging them every time, telling about dangers of smoking), they will avoid you. Next time I’d just relax and being sober around high people can be fun.
Smoking everyday is fun, but can be a big drain on the wallet and it also gets boring. So they will probably lessen their usage soon enough. This doesn’t always happen, how long has this been going on?[/quote]
SeanT, your posts are so far pretty informative, but the real world experience makes posts like the previous one sound absolutely ridiculous.
Vicomte: Do not expect anything more from your friends. You will just have to demand more of yourself, and forget about these friends, as…speaking from experience, most of them are probably lost. Don’t worry about “getting into” what they are into.
People can glamorize pot smoking as much as any other drug, but addictive behavior is what is is, and people that will indulge in such will almost never amount to anything. You are in a much, MUCH better position where you are presently, without that evil seed of desire planted in you. Please trust me.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
SeanT wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
A good bunch of my friends started using marijuana somewhat recently, at first just once in a while, for fun, but it seems to have gotten rather out of hand lately. I know cannabis isn’t technically addictive, and usage has little health risk, if any, but it seems that they have to smoke all the time now.
Every day. Every time we go out, at some point they smoke. If they don’t, it’s because they couldn’t find any that night. I know a guy that’s been high for the past few months. It’s really starting to annoy me. I think I might have to have a few discussions this week.
It’s always fun. Cannabis acts as “fun amplifier”, it makes everything more fun. If you want to ask them to slowdown once or twice that is cool with most people, but if your going to be an asshole about smoking(bugging them every time, telling about dangers of smoking), they will avoid you. Next time I’d just relax and being sober around high people can be fun.
Smoking everyday is fun, but can be a big drain on the wallet and it also gets boring. So they will probably lessen their usage soon enough. This doesn’t always happen, how long has this been going on?
SeanT, your posts are so far pretty informative, but the real world experience makes posts like the previous one sound absolutely ridiculous.
Vicomte: Do not expect anything more from your friends. You will just have to demand more of yourself, and forget about these friends, as…speaking from experience, most of them are probably lost. Don’t worry about “getting into” what they are into.
People can glamorize pot smoking as much as any other drug, but addictive behavior is what is is, and people that will indulge in such will almost never amount to anything. You are in a much, MUCH better position where you are presently, without that evil seed of desire planted in you. Please trust me.
[/quote]
I understand this. I have no desire to use drugs. I do, however, value my friends, and would like to do what I can for them. Their behavior is starting to evoke that of certain experiences recalled in this thread. Honestly, most of these guys are fucked anyway. One or two, I think might have a chance. I understand they are having fun, but I see no reason to be high all the time.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
SeanT wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
A good bunch of my friends started using marijuana somewhat recently, at first just once in a while, for fun, but it seems to have gotten rather out of hand lately. I know cannabis isn’t technically addictive, and usage has little health risk, if any, but it seems that they have to smoke all the time now.
Every day. Every time we go out, at some point they smoke. If they don’t, it’s because they couldn’t find any that night. I know a guy that’s been high for the past few months. It’s really starting to annoy me. I think I might have to have a few discussions this week.
It’s always fun. Cannabis acts as “fun amplifier”, it makes everything more fun. If you want to ask them to slowdown once or twice that is cool with most people, but if your going to be an asshole about smoking(bugging them every time, telling about dangers of smoking), they will avoid you. Next time I’d just relax and being sober around high people can be fun.
Smoking everyday is fun, but can be a big drain on the wallet and it also gets boring. So they will probably lessen their usage soon enough. This doesn’t always happen, how long has this been going on?
SeanT, your posts are so far pretty informative, but the real world experience makes posts like the previous one sound absolutely ridiculous.
Vicomte: Do not expect anything more from your friends. You will just have to demand more of yourself, and forget about these friends, as…speaking from experience, most of them are probably lost. Don’t worry about “getting into” what they are into.
People can glamorize pot smoking as much as any other drug, but addictive behavior is what is is, and people that will indulge in such will almost never amount to anything. You are in a much, MUCH better position where you are presently, without that evil seed of desire planted in you. Please trust me.
[/quote]
Everyone is different, I am referencing from what I have read and my past experiences.
I did not realize that they were smoking near everyday for months, I thought it might have been a week or two. Cortes everything has its negatives when used in excess. Moderation is key and most things will be fine, but his friends do not seem to have any self control.
[quote]SeanT wrote:
Cortes wrote:
SeanT wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
A good bunch of my friends started using marijuana somewhat recently, at first just once in a while, for fun, but it seems to have gotten rather out of hand lately. I know cannabis isn’t technically addictive, and usage has little health risk, if any, but it seems that they have to smoke all the time now.
Every day. Every time we go out, at some point they smoke. If they don’t, it’s because they couldn’t find any that night. I know a guy that’s been high for the past few months. It’s really starting to annoy me. I think I might have to have a few discussions this week.
It’s always fun. Cannabis acts as “fun amplifier”, it makes everything more fun. If you want to ask them to slowdown once or twice that is cool with most people, but if your going to be an asshole about smoking(bugging them every time, telling about dangers of smoking), they will avoid you. Next time I’d just relax and being sober around high people can be fun.
Smoking everyday is fun, but can be a big drain on the wallet and it also gets boring. So they will probably lessen their usage soon enough. This doesn’t always happen, how long has this been going on?
SeanT, your posts are so far pretty informative, but the real world experience makes posts like the previous one sound absolutely ridiculous.
Vicomte: Do not expect anything more from your friends. You will just have to demand more of yourself, and forget about these friends, as…speaking from experience, most of them are probably lost. Don’t worry about “getting into” what they are into.
People can glamorize pot smoking as much as any other drug, but addictive behavior is what is is, and people that will indulge in such will almost never amount to anything. You are in a much, MUCH better position where you are presently, without that evil seed of desire planted in you. Please trust me.
Everyone is different, I am referencing from what I have read and my past experiences.
I did not realize that they were smoking near everyday for months, I thought it might have been a week or two. Cortes everything has its negatives when used in excess. Moderation is key and most things will be fine, but his friends do not seem to have any self control. [/quote]
That’s what I’m worried about.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
johnward82 wrote:
I must admit, while being nieve and unexperienced with the subject at hand, I wonder how skewed the data is regaurding “alcohol kills more people than drugs” simply based on the legality.
IE, the pool or alcohol users is going to be signifigantly higher than crack heads due to the legality of the substance. Like I said earlier, I might be incline to try pot if it was legal, but its not, so I dont/wont.
Pot has been around for thousands of years. Assuming you need a whole joint to get stoned, you’d need approximately 40,000 joints to overdose. And all of that would need to be smoked in 15 minutes.[/quote]
I got up to 39,999 the other day but decided to go out to eat and see the new batman movie instead.