[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
The trend on this thread seems to be younger people not listening to what older people tell them. Oh well. You’ve got one life. If you choose not to listen to people who’ve been there, I guess that’s your right.
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Since when was it any different? When I was young, I listened to what I wanted to hear, no matter who it came from. Experience is the best teacher. We all have 20/20 hindsight.
Do what you choose to do. And accept responsibility for the consequences.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
SeanT wrote:
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Also, if someone does happen to try meth, they most likely will not be hooked. Drop the connection(I would ask them never to sell it to me and that I would really appreciate it. Most people will respect you and will not call you again).
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I have NEVER tried meth and I never will, but people all the people I have encountered that sell harder drugs(i.e. heroin), will respect that choice and will not call you or sell to you.
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process, and that if you loose your source not many people are willing to go downtown and buy off a street corner. Avoid hanging out with friends that use the drug(most people eventually will fail and try it again, that is why you must avoid that scene).
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Spiritual drug use has helped me become a better person and helped me learn how I should live life more.
Therapy does the same thing.
The trend on this thread seems to be younger people not listening to what older people tell them. Oh well. You’ve got one life. If you choose not to listen to people who’ve been there, I guess that’s your right.
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Any therapist will tell you it takes MONTHS to even break down the barriers and then it will take a few more to fix the problem. I was able to fix a problem in 1 hour that I’ve had my whole life(my mom passing away). Mind you I am still young and I shut my problem out. I am able to come to peace with it and gain valuable insight.
If a therapist were able to use legally use MDMA in therapy, then I wouldn’t mind seeing a therapist. But I really do not want to meet someone weekly for a few months to just break down the barriers. I would rather take a pill that broke those down instantly so I could work on my problems from there. Are you saying you’d rather spend months fixing a problem when you could have them fixed in a few hours?
If you can use recreationaly, then you are a rare breed.
At this point in my life (36yrs old) I can count on one hand the number of people that I used to use with that are still alive. Another one died just recently.
It didn’t start out as hard core drug use, but it ended that way.
All of the statistical analysis and high minded rationalization in the world doesn’t mean a damn thing when someone you have known your whole life turns blue and drops dead.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Spiritual drug use has helped me become a better person and helped me learn how I should live life more.
Therapy does the same thing.
The trend on this thread seems to be younger people not listening to what older people tell them. Oh well. You’ve got one life. If you choose not to listen to people who’ve been there, I guess that’s your right.
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Yes, I am a younger person not listening to what the older people are saying. I have also done more research(I am always reading up on something BEFORE I try it) and I have had more first hand experience then most other people.
Also, all I’ve been told by my “elders” about drugs has been complete bullshit and hypocrisy. I remember in health class in middle school all the shit they crammed down our throats. They used to tell us 1/4 huffers die the first time. While it’s stupid to even THINK about huffing, the damage that is done is irreversable and damages your nerves(brain) and organs(they just said don’t do it you could die). They used to tell us that ecstasy was made in rat infested area’s were they used pipe cleaners and all that shit, they showed a picture of a bucket and was indicating that you simply mix it in and stir and woahla, MDMA. Most people that make MDMA have a degree in chemistry and I bet only a few people on T-Nation could make it. They said they may be pissed when they make a drug and add poison. I told my sister that back when I was in 7th grade. She told me this, do you really think it is that easy and why would they kill off their customers.
We were told more shit than you can believe, and I was a believer at that time, I ate up almost anything the bullshit they spat out at me. Now, if they had told me the truth, the risks, benefits, long term damage, then I do believe I would have stayed away from all hard drugs.
Now some people are nasty fucks that need to be killed, like people that add dangerous cuts, sell PMA, or add glass to add weight. But chemistry isn’t a cooking recipe, and making a mistake somewhere will screw up the whole process.
Look at the usage rates compared to San Francisco and Amsterdam(both very liberal cities). 12% of Amsterdam residents had used cannabis more than 25 times, while 39% of people surveyed in San Francisco have used cannabis more than 25 times.
They also asked if they had been offered cocaine, heroin, or amphetamines when they last purchased cannabis. 51% of San Franciscoers said they had been offered, while only 15% of Amsterdam residents said they had been offered. Keep in mind that the drug laws(penalties for possession and sale of hard drugs) are MUCH harsher in the U.S. than Amsterdam.
(source: Polak's question - Round 3 (Sub: ENG) - YouTube)
To tell you the truth, I think I am ahead of the curve. I no longer have any interest in any hard drugs and it believe it will stay that way. I have seen what happens to people when the get addicted(alcohol, cocaine, heroin, OC) and I do not have any sympathy for the choices they have made(Some were family, some were best friends). The decisions they made led them down those paths and I have tried to intervene, but to no avail. Drugs can do evil things to people, but so can money, lust, greed.
[quote]SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process[/quote]
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.[/quote]
And what if you’re unsure either way?
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.
And what if you’re unsure either way?[/quote]
If you do something once, and all you think about for the next week is what you did.
you probably should not do it again.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.
And what if you’re unsure either way?[/quote]
Then don’t take any risks you will regret. I personally do not get my friends any hard drugs. PERIOD. I believe that some of them do not have the willpower. If I wanted to try a new drug that has a serious potential for addiction, this is how I would go about it(But I don’t do drugs because its illegal).
Obtain the drug from a trusted source( a good friend with good connections). If I just want to try it once and never again, request they never sell to me again.
Find a friend that is liberal about drugs.
Promise to tell them whenever I use the drug, so if they notice me usage is up, they can intervene.(Must be a trusted friend so I WILL believe them and stop right there).
Find out what is a reasonable dose and make a mental note not to use anymore.(About twice a normal dose, split up into 2 sessions is good). ( The first time I try it should be around half a dose, to ensure I will not have any allergic reactions). (Second I will try a little less than a full dose, then redose ONCE more).
Find someone to try the drug with, who has used it before and tell them how much I plan to use and to stop me from using anymore.
Use the drug around the sitter so they can recognize anything that may go wrong and to watch my dosage.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.[/quote]
Becoming an addict is a process…except for crack.
You smoke Crack once and, to quote what Danny here said to his friend after hittin’ the crack pipe for the first time ever (in an attempt to convince his crack-head friend that he could take one hit and put the pipe down) “Shit, man! Can, can we sell my car?”
I out of the dozen or so people I know whose lives completely revolve around getting really fucked up, out of the dozen or so people I know who regularly use the verb “rolling” in reference to what they were doing last weekend, I know ONE who isn’t a total fuck-up.
Everyone I know is amazed that this guy some how finds to the time to do multiple varsity college sports, get high enough grades to keep a full ride scholarship, and still find the time for extacy, coke, and maybe a little 36 hour marathon opium smoking session on long weekends.
Everyone else, is not doing so hot. In some cases they’ve fucked themselves out of ever being able to even go to a community college. They’re completely unreliable in every conceivable way. Some have tried to kill themselves. But all of them, except for the one friend mentioned above, are pretty much complete wastes of space.
Even if drugs didn’t have any adverse effects, if take a step back you’ll realize that most people whose lives revolve around getting fucked up are missing the big picture. Sure it seems fun to feel artificially mellow, to lose motor control, or to feel really buzzed and jazzed up or whatever. But none of it’s real. You’re just sitting around, listening to shitty jam-band music, and letting chemicals dictate your brain. It’s an Epic Waste of time.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.[/quote]
Some people scare me with even pot. I knew someone that said something similar to this, “pot is getting boring/old/stupid, I want to try something harder”. If you get this mentality, you shouldn’t ever try something harder. Take a break if smoking is boring for you, but don’t move up because you think it’s cool or you want more of a thrill.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.
Becoming an addict is a process…except for crack.
You smoke Crack once and, to quote what Danny here said to his friend after hittin’ the crack pipe for the first time ever (in an attempt to convince his crack-head friend that he could take one hit and put the pipe down) “Shit, man! Can, can we sell my car?”
I out of the dozen or so people I know whose lives completely revolve around getting really fucked up, out of the dozen or so people I know who regularly use the verb “rolling” in reference to what they were doing last weekend, I know ONE who isn’t a total fuck-up.
Everyone I know is amazed that this guy some how finds to the time to do multiple varsity college sports, get high enough grades to keep a full ride scholarship, and still find the time for extacy, coke, and maybe a little 36 hour marathon opium smoking session on long weekends.
Everyone else, is not doing so hot. In some cases they’ve fucked themselves out of ever being able to even go to a community college. They’re completely unreliable in every conceivable way. Some have tried to kill themselves. But all of them, except for the one friend mentioned above, are pretty much complete wastes of space.
Even if drugs didn’t have any adverse effects, if take a step back you’ll realize that most people whose lives revolve around getting fucked up are missing the big picture. Sure it seems fun to feel artificially mellow, to lose motor control, or to feel really buzzed and jazzed up or whatever. But none of it’s real. You’re just sitting around, listening to shitty jam-band music, and letting chemicals dictate your brain. It’s an Epic Waste of time. [/quote]
Most people are way to scared to even think about trying crack. And most already have cocaine addictions when they start crack. Not many people in this society have the control to do drugs in a safe manner. Most people as you said above, just want to get fucked up. That is not fun for me, I do not enjoy getting drunk off my ass and then doing stupid shit.
I do like to go a little past tispy and slightly drunk, but I have never thrown up from drinking. Too many people think it’s cool that their friend can drink 15 beers and 5 shots in the space of 2 hours and still be conherient. It’s idiotic. Our society is all about go big or go home. Get wasted off your ass or stay sober. It’s too extreme and that is where people fall into the trap.
In one of my classes, someone mentioned to me that they were going to start drinking more so they could get their tolerance up because they always loose in drinking games. I just shook my head and stated that was pretty stupid.
Oh and unless its sticky and smooshy like opium, it’s probably heroin. If it’s a small dark rock that smells vinegary, it’s black tar heroin. That’s how most people “trick” others into trying heroin. They say its opium, and blah blah blah, people think, well…its not heroin so why not.
Nah, most people don’t want to try crack. Crack is more like the last option of cocaine use.
You smoke crack when even the best coke is no longer enough. You smoke crack when your sinuses are so packed with coke that you can no longer absorb a line. You smoke crack because it is cheap and available.
You smoke crack because you want to, but you don’t avoid it because you are scared. What Is scarry is the mindset required to want to smoke crack. That is what repells most relatively normal people.
But you sound like you have this all figured out prety well, so carry on. It makes for some interesting reading anyways.
The Crack thing was more of a joke than anything else.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
The Crack thing was more of a joke than anything else. [/quote]
Yea, I was responding more to the other post about fear keeping people from trying crack.
Bonaduccis take on it isn’t far from the truth though. A lot of people who have done coke started smoking crack just as he stated. Someone else has some, they’ve done plenty of coke before, so what’s the big deal? They find out the deal when they take the first hit.
There was a lot more that I wrote and deleted, but realy what’s the use?
Sometimes the best teacher is time and effort.
There’s a reason I only use Cannabis.
And even then, through a vaporizer and very infrequently.
Remember kids, man made drugs are bad.
what difference does a vaporizer make compared to a bong/pipe… which is purely weed?
ive always wanted to try one but they are sooooo expensive and since i dont smoke oftem (1/month) i dont see the value in one.
Scott
I was killing some time on YouTube last night and ran across a bunch of vids of dudes trippin’ on Ketamine…holy shit , thats pure insanity
while peakin’ the user appears to have lost control over almost all moter skills…sometimes just squirming around in the frikkin mud
didnt look like too good of a time
hope none of my kids fuck with that shit
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
There was a lot more that I wrote and deleted, but realy what’s the use?
Sometimes the best teacher is time and effort.
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Then there are otheres here that enjoy reading/learning and if you had something worth writing, a lot of us would find it worth reading.
I appreciate everyones views, facts, opinions, wrong or right on every subject. Even though I may or may not have anything to add, its valuble data to add to my brain.
FWIW
[quote]thosebananas wrote:
what difference does a vaporizer make compared to a bong/pipe… which is purely weed?
ive always wanted to try one but they are sooooo expensive and since i dont smoke oftem (1/month) i dont see the value in one.
Scott[/quote]
A bong and pipe still contain carcinogens, a vaporizer is 99% THC with little to none of the bad stuff associated with smoke inhalation.