What do people think would happen if all drugs were legalised and sold by the government?
Would this drive out the underworld drug rings?
Would it stop drug trafficking?
This way the drugs wouldn’t be mixed and people would know exactly what they’re taking.
Fight fire with fire
[quote]ibanezrg320 wrote:
What do people think would happen if all drugs were legalised and sold by the government?
Would this drive out the underworld drug rings?
Would it stop drug trafficking?
This way the drugs wouldn’t be mixed and people would know exactly what they’re taking.
Fight fire with fire[/quote]
that would never happen, the government will never even sell drugs that could vastly improve the lives of many people like steroids.
Start drugs, quit your job, let the workers of the country pay for lifestyle
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
Start drugs, quit your job, let the workers of the country pay for lifestyle[/quote]
Some drugs, like 4-mar, would raise your productivity by up to 5x your normal speed with reduced error and accuracy.
Many people report going to work at a desk job high on 4-Mar, they do a week’s worth of work in one day. 4-Mar is NOT neurotoxic like meth and it has a MUCH smaller addiction potential.
Also, students who drop acid have a higher gpa than students who do NOT use ANY drug at all.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I looked back, I do not know who made the original post, but where did that info come from? Thanks PB
[/quote]
The program was by BBC Horizon: Is alcohol worse than ecstasy.
(below is the numbers)
[quote]SeanT wrote:
msd0060 wrote:
Start drugs, quit your job, let the workers of the country pay for lifestyle
Some drugs, like 4-mar, would raise your productivity by up to 5x your normal speed with reduced error and accuracy.
Many people report going to work at a desk job high on 4-Mar, they do a week’s worth of work in one day. 4-Mar is NOT neurotoxic like meth and it has a MUCH smaller addiction potential.
Also, students who drop acid have a higher gpa than students who do NOT use ANY drug at all.
pittbulll wrote:
I looked back, I do not know who made the original post, but where did that info come from? Thanks PB
The program was by BBC Horizon: Is alcohol worse than ecstasy.
(below is the numbers)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/drugs/survey/[/quote]
What is this 4-mar exactly? I’ve never heard of it.
[quote]ibanezrg320 wrote:
What do people think would happen if all drugs were legalised and sold by the government?
Would this drive out the underworld drug rings?
Would it stop drug trafficking?
This way the drugs wouldn’t be mixed and people would know exactly what they’re taking.
Fight fire with fire[/quote]
We may have a few derelicts that need guidance, but the underworld would lose a major money source. Just think we would have an abundance of prison space
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
SeanT wrote:
johnward82 wrote:
I must admit, while being nieve and unexperienced with the subject at hand, I wonder how skewed the data is regaurding “alcohol kills more people than drugs” simply based on the legality. IE, the pool or alcohol users is going to be signifigantly higher than crack heads due to the legality of the substance. Like I said earlier, I might be incline to try pot if it was legal, but its not, so I dont/wont.
I am looking at the ratio of users:deaths(a year) in the U.K. because I have numbers to that. I’ll fill you in and you must realize that most deaths come from ODes that is from varying qualities and cuts.
Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy?
Heroin: 300,000/700 deaths = 429 users/1 death
Cocaine: 780,000/214 deaths = 3,645 users/1 death
Street Methadone: 33,000/295 deaths = 112 users/1 death
Alkyl Nitrite(legal in UK, Illegal in US): 400,000/0 = 0 deaths
Khat(legal in UK, Illegal in US): 40,000/0 = 0 deaths
Ecstasy: 500,000/27 deaths = 18,519 users/1 death
Anabolic Steroids: 42,000/0 = 0 deaths
Ritalin(Methylphenidate): 40,000/0 = 0 death
LSD: 83,000/0 = 0 death
Solvents: 30,000/50-60( Bag falls over head, but solvents cause irreversible damage to nerves and organs) = 500-600/1 death
Cannabis: 3,000,000/1 death(I think the death was later confirmed not to be cannabis) = 3,000,000/1 death(if a true death)
Amphetamines: 430,000/35 = 12,286/1 death
Benzos: 100,000/406 = 246/1 death
Ketamine: 100,000/1 = 100,000/1 death
Tobacco: 10,000,000/114,000 = 88/1 death
Alcohol: 40,000,000/40,000 = 1,000/1 death
Then I calculated(I understand that many people are poly drug users these are not super accurate)
All users and deaths other than Tobacco + Alcohol:
5,877,916 users/ 1738 deaths =
3,382users/1 death
All users of Tobacco + alcohol:
50,000,000 users/154,000 deaths
325 Users/1 death
So Tobacco + alcohol kill 10x more people
Heroin is non-toxic, so if legalized(I am not saying legalize it, I’m just saying), the amount of deaths would drop DRASTICALLY. Most drugs if legalized(again, I do NOT support this), the amount of deaths would drop due to clean products and not having to guess the strength.
I looked back, I do not know who made the original post, but where did that info come from? Thanks PB
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Bump
ya.
Counting drug deaths is kind of useless. Show the stats for ruined lives.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Counting drug deaths is kind of useless. Show the stats for ruined lives.[/quote]
How does one define ‘ruined life’? Perhaps these lives would have sucked anyway. I’m not sure drug-related badness can be quantified scientifically.
[quote]SeanT wrote:
msd0060 wrote:
Start drugs, quit your job, let the workers of the country pay for lifestyle
Some drugs, like 4-mar, would raise your productivity by up to 5x your normal speed with reduced error and accuracy.
[/quote]
linky.
[quote]johnward82 wrote:
I must admit, while being nieve and unexperienced with the subject at hand, I wonder how skewed the data is regaurding “alcohol kills more people than drugs” simply based on the legality.
IE, the pool or alcohol users is going to be signifigantly higher than crack heads due to the legality of the substance. Like I said earlier, I might be incline to try pot if it was legal, but its not, so I dont/wont.[/quote]
Pot has been around for thousands of years. Assuming you need a whole joint to get stoned, you’d need approximately 40,000 joints to overdose. And all of that would need to be smoked in 15 minutes.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
johnward82 wrote:
I must admit, while being nieve and unexperienced with the subject at hand, I wonder how skewed the data is regaurding “alcohol kills more people than drugs” simply based on the legality.
IE, the pool or alcohol users is going to be signifigantly higher than crack heads due to the legality of the substance. Like I said earlier, I might be incline to try pot if it was legal, but its not, so I dont/wont.
Pot has been around for thousands of years. Assuming you need a whole joint to get stoned, you’d need approximately 40,000 joints to overdose. And all of that would need to be smoked in 15 minutes.[/quote]
Well that’s just like…your opinion…man.
[quote]NateOrade wrote:
Well that’s just like…your opinion…man.[/quote]
You’re totally harshin’ my buzz, man.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
SeanT wrote:
msd0060 wrote:
Start drugs, quit your job, let the workers of the country pay for lifestyle
Some drugs, like 4-mar, would raise your productivity by up to 5x your normal speed with reduced error and accuracy.
Many people report going to work at a desk job high on 4-Mar, they do a week’s worth of work in one day. 4-Mar is NOT neurotoxic like meth and it has a MUCH smaller addiction potential.
Also, students who drop acid have a higher gpa than students who do NOT use ANY drug at all.
pittbulll wrote:
I looked back, I do not know who made the original post, but where did that info come from? Thanks PB
The program was by BBC Horizon: Is alcohol worse than ecstasy.
(below is the numbers)
What is this 4-mar exactly? I’ve never heard of it.[/quote]
4-mar’s actual name is 4-methylaminorex(It may be called Ice on the street, but Ice commonly refers to pure meth). It may also be referred to as Euphoria, but generally only cops call it that.
It is quite a rare drug do to the precursors being rare. If you have access to PPA(Phenylpropanolamine), which is used in decongestant and also as an appetite suppressants, then it is quite easy to make.
But PPA is banned in the U.S. and is only used in Rx’s for dogs that have urinary infections. Extracting it from the Rx liver tablets is near impossible. In Europe you can buy PPA over the counter. But be aware 4-mar is a scheduled 1 drug(in the US) and has severe penalties if you are caught synthesizing it(pretty much anywhere).
If you want to read some trip reports, the erowid site is below:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_methylaminorex/
Most people describe the high as a mix between Meth and MDMA. They say it’s an organized high but gives you the energy and motivation of meth while you get the a euphoria similar to MDMA.
Be aware though to all want to use 4-mar, it can cause pulmonary hyper tension and I do not support anybody using/doing anything illegal.
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/u4euh.fatality.html
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
msd0060 wrote:
Start drugs, quit your job, let the workers of the country pay for lifestyle
Some drugs, like 4-mar, would raise your productivity by up to 5x your normal speed with reduced error and accuracy.
linky.[/quote]
I can’t seem to come across this trip report, as I did most of my research a month or two ago. I will keep looking for the report and post the link when I do.
EDIT:
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/u4euh.notes.txt
one of the trip reports. He reports doing work 3 times faster. I am on the lookout for the other reports…
Some people report that it can be found quite easily in Asian countries, but be aware, that it could VERY easily be meth instead of 4-mar.
Also, if someone does happen to try meth, they most likely will not be hooked. Drop the connection(I would ask them never to sell it to me and that I would really appreciate it. Most people will respect you and will not call you again).
I dont think you are missing anything if you dont take recreational drugs. I had my share of dabbling with exctasy years ago. And although I did have some good times, it simply wasnt worth it.
There were days I dreaded because of it, and in the long run it just wasnt worth it. The decision will be your ultimately. But dont do it to “be cool.”
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I dont think you are missing anything if you dont take recreational drugs. I had my share of dabbling with exctasy years ago. And although I did have some good times, it simply wasnt worth it.
There were days I dreaded because of it, and in the long run it just wasnt worth it. The decision will be your ultimately. But dont do it to “be cool.” [/quote]
Did you have a bad trip? Why do you feel it wasn’t worth it? I assume its because of the post day crash, as many people feel shitty the next day(I do not experience this and attribute it to a better diet and exercise). I am not trying to interigate you, I just might learn something before I learn it on my own.
Spiritual drug use has helped me become a better person and helped me learn how I should live life more.
[quote]SeanT wrote:
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Also, if someone does happen to try meth, they most likely will not be hooked. Drop the connection(I would ask them never to sell it to me and that I would really appreciate it. Most people will respect you and will not call you again).[/quote]
lol
Therapy does the same thing.
The trend on this thread seems to be younger people not listening to what older people tell them. Oh well. You’ve got one life. If you choose not to listen to people who’ve been there, I guess that’s your right.