Experiences with Recreational Drugs

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

Zep, just lost my post, dont feel like retyping it. Main thing i wrote was: I never said that drugs WILL DEFINITELY screw your life up, we probably all know functioning addicts. But I see no point in undertaking an activity that you have no long-term plans for anyway.

It was more detailed than that, but it’ll ahve to do
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Why go on vacation someplace if you don’t plan on living there?

Why read a book on a topic if you don’t plan on getting a doctorate in that field?

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[quote]etaco wrote:
KBCThird wrote:

Zep, just lost my post, dont feel like retyping it. Main thing i wrote was: I never said that drugs WILL DEFINITELY screw your life up, we probably all know functioning addicts. But I see no point in undertaking an activity that you have no long-term plans for anyway.

It was more detailed than that, but it’ll ahve to do

Why go on vacation someplace if you don’t plan on living there?

Why read a book on a topic if you don’t plan on getting a doctorate in that field?[/quote]

Because I think both of those come out on the positive side of the earlier mentioned cost:benefit analysis. They both broaden - or could be argued to broaden - your horizons. I have yet to meet someone who took drugs with teh specific intent of “broadening his horizons” as opposed to having the specific intent of getting really f’ed up.

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
etaco wrote:
KBCThird wrote:

Zep, just lost my post, dont feel like retyping it. Main thing i wrote was: I never said that drugs WILL DEFINITELY screw your life up, we probably all know functioning addicts. But I see no point in undertaking an activity that you have no long-term plans for anyway.

It was more detailed than that, but it’ll ahve to do

Why go on vacation someplace if you don’t plan on living there?

Why read a book on a topic if you don’t plan on getting a doctorate in that field?

Because I think both of those come out on the positive side of the earlier mentioned cost:benefit analysis. They both broaden - or could be argued to broaden - your horizons. I have yet to meet someone who took drugs with teh specific intent of “broadening his horizons” as opposed to having the specific intent of getting really f’ed up.[/quote]

I’ve met/known people who took hallucinogenics (mushrooms, LSD) exclusively with the purpose of “broadening one’s horizons”. They reported great experiences with these drugs with positive long term consequences in their perception of living. LSD and MDMA have potential use in therapy, so like anything, these are tools which can be used or abused. I haven’t heard about cocaine/crack/heroine/meth being used as tools for self-exploration. Let’s not group all the drugs together.

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[quote]skor wrote:
I haven’t heard about cocaine/crack/heroine/meth being used as tools for self-exploration. Let’s not group all the drugs together.[/quote]

I believe Sigmund Freud used cocaine extensively as a tool for delving deeper into his psyche.

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What’s wrong with you people? Drugs are bad and should be banned, especially that “marjuana”.

Just terrible.

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
etaco wrote:
KBCThird wrote:

Zep, just lost my post, dont feel like retyping it. Main thing i wrote was: I never said that drugs WILL DEFINITELY screw your life up, we probably all know functioning addicts. But I see no point in undertaking an activity that you have no long-term plans for anyway.

It was more detailed than that, but it’ll ahve to do

Why go on vacation someplace if you don’t plan on living there?

Why read a book on a topic if you don’t plan on getting a doctorate in that field?

Because I think both of those come out on the positive side of the earlier mentioned cost:benefit analysis. They both broaden - or could be argued to broaden - your horizons. I have yet to meet someone who took drugs with teh specific intent of “broadening his horizons” as opposed to having the specific intent of getting really f’ed up.[/quote]

Eh, you are grouping everyone into the misuse category again. Like I said before, hard drugs should be viewed as a spice of life. They are an experience that is for sure whether or not they change your world view.

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
etaco wrote:
KBCThird wrote:

Zep, just lost my post, dont feel like retyping it. Main thing i wrote was: I never said that drugs WILL DEFINITELY screw your life up, we probably all know functioning addicts. But I see no point in undertaking an activity that you have no long-term plans for anyway.

It was more detailed than that, but it’ll ahve to do

Why go on vacation someplace if you don’t plan on living there?

Why read a book on a topic if you don’t plan on getting a doctorate in that field?

Because I think both of those come out on the positive side of the earlier mentioned cost:benefit analysis. They both broaden - or could be argued to broaden - your horizons. I have yet to meet someone who took drugs with teh specific intent of “broadening his horizons” as opposed to having the specific intent of getting really f’ed up.[/quote]

Eh, again you are grouping everything under the misuse category. Like I said before, drugs should be considered a spice of life and they do, whether they change your world view or not, add to your life experience.

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
etaco wrote:
KBCThird wrote:

Zep, just lost my post, dont feel like retyping it. Main thing i wrote was: I never said that drugs WILL DEFINITELY screw your life up, we probably all know functioning addicts. But I see no point in undertaking an activity that you have no long-term plans for anyway.

It was more detailed than that, but it’ll ahve to do

Why go on vacation someplace if you don’t plan on living there?

Why read a book on a topic if you don’t plan on getting a doctorate in that field?

Because I think both of those come out on the positive side of the earlier mentioned cost:benefit analysis. They both broaden - or could be argued to broaden - your horizons. I have yet to meet someone who took drugs with teh specific intent of “broadening his horizons” as opposed to having the specific intent of getting really f’ed up.[/quote]

I used alcohol and weed to “get fucked up”; everything else I tried specifically to “broaden my horizons.” My best friends in college had an identical approach as well and none of them had any substance abuse issues then or since. Why? I hung out with responsibility and well put together people. On the other side, very few of the people I knew who went off a cliff with drugs were surprises.

Incidentally I consider those experiences I had to have been quite valuable to my life and my understanding of the nature of the mind.

An from this article discussing the clinical use of mushrooms in helping terminal cancer sufferers come to terms with their fate:

Some other people got something out of their experiences too.

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[quote]etaco wrote:

I used alcohol and weed to “get fucked up”; everything else I tried specifically to “broaden my horizons.” My best friends in college had an identical approach as well and none of them had any substance abuse issues then or since.

Why? I hung out with responsibility and well put together people. On the other side, very few of the people I knew who went off a cliff with drugs were surprises.

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I know what you’re saying, but don’t think that being well put together and responsible will protect you from harm. Shit, I’m an Ivy League graduate junkie. I didn’t have to stick you up or rob your house to get a fix, but that doesn’t make me better than any other heroin addict.

And like I said in my other post, addiction doesn’t happen all at once. Took me over a year of occasional heroin use before it stopped being fun, and I needed it just to live through a day.

I do plenty of weed, all types of hallucinogens, coke and alcohol to have fun. Those drugs never became a necessity for me. So, you really never know if you are truly ironclad, or what you’re dancing with today will kick your ass tomorrow.

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I haven’t checked this thread in awhile, and I saw this particular subject mentioned earlier. The legal consequences of drugs. I fell victim to that. I will give you the short version.

I spent about 2.5 yrs within the Federal Correctional system because of MDMA (exctasy). No guns, no weapons, no violence, and a time period of almost 4 years later. What I mean is, I was arrested 4 yrs after a drug deal even happened.

There is a time period of up to 7 yrs within the Feds to come get you, I didn’t know this. Why was my Federal you ask? Because the mail system was used at one point, we also didn’t know this.

By the time I ended my Fed vacation, I saw 3 Fed prisons, 5 county jails, 2 halfway houses, and flew on Con-Air 6 times. (Its nothing like the movie, but not pleasant by any means.) You are not treated any better because you are a non-violent drug offender versus a rapist or child molester.

Its equally bad. With me being white, I am now the minority dealing with racial tensions that are pretty scary. True I am bigger than your average guy by far, but that doesn’t exempt you from anything. I learned alot and made the best of this time, but the price can be expensive.

My father and grandmother both passed while I was inside, and was not able to go to their funerals. My take home message here is, if you choose to go down this path, you may or may not get caught or avoid trouble. If Big Brother catches you somehow, you might find yourself paying a debt you struggle to deal with.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I haven’t checked this thread in awhile, and I saw this particular subject mentioned earlier. The legal consequences of drugs. I fell victim to that. I will give you the short version.

I spent about 2.5 yrs within the Federal Correctional system because of MDMA (exctasy). No guns, no weapons, no violence, and a time period of almost 4 years later. What I mean is, I was arrested 4 yrs after a drug deal even happened.

There is a time period of up to 7 yrs within the Feds to come get you, I didn’t know this. Why was my Federal you ask? Because the mail system was used at one point, we also didn’t know this.

By the time I ended my Fed vacation, I saw 3 Fed prisons, 5 county jails, 2 halfway houses, and flew on Con-Air 6 times. (Its nothing like the movie, but not pleasant by any means.) You are not treated any better because you are a non-violent drug offender versus a rapist or child molester.

Its equally bad. With me being white, I am now the minority dealing with racial tensions that are pretty scary. True I am bigger than your average guy by far, but that doesn’t exempt you from anything. I learned alot and made the best of this time, but the price can be expensive.

My father and grandmother both passed while I was inside, and was not able to go to their funerals. My take home message here is, if you choose to go down this path, you may or may not get caught or avoid trouble. If Big Brother catches you somehow, you might find yourself paying a debt you struggle to deal with. [/quote]

This is why ALL laws dealing with drugs is a bunch of shit, it is a victim less crime and they still choose you lock you up for something that both parties agreed to without hurting anyone else.

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There is a reason why these bullshit laws exist. Back in the 80’s when Reagan was president, he imposed the war on drugs. He created Mandatory Minimum sentencing laws for drugs. If you bought/sold/conspired X amount of drugs, you received Y sentence. The problem with this is that there was no differentiation between low level and high level offenders. All people were considered equal and were sentenced under “conspiracy.” So what happened ?

The rate of incarceration quadrupled, but the crime rate was the same. This meant that people were being locked up for lesser and lesser crimes. Why would Reagan do this? What is the most common crime committed? Drug crimes. Do you think anyone makes money when a rapist, murder, or child molester is locked up? Nope. But drug offenders are rampant everywhere, from buyers, sellers, to users.

So the Dept of Justice gets money to pay for locking up people, and ensuring job security. Don’t forget about judges, bailiffs, guards, court clerks, probation officers, parole dept, drug treatment facilities, halfway houses, and other shit I can’t think of. This system was created to make sure there was job security within corrections. Yet the tax payer suffers. Who pays for court costs for the indigent? Who pays salaries for correction officers?

Those jails and prisons aren’t free either. This is a multi-million dollar issue, there is no reason why the govt would care to fix it. Crowding issues? No one cares, they are triple stacking bunks in hall ways, outdoors, and cafeterias. And they will never ever change that.

My rant comes down to this, be prepared for a costly experience if you choose this path. You might avoid it, you might not. Just know it wont be fun if you aren’t so lucky.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
There is a reason why these bullshit laws exist. Back in the 80’s when Reagan was president, he imposed the war on drugs. He created Mandatory Minimum sentencing laws for drugs. If you bought/sold/conspired X amount of drugs, you received Y sentence. The problem with this is that there was no differentiation between low level and high level offenders. All people were considered equal and were sentenced under “conspiracy.” So what happened ?

The rate of incarceration quadrupled, but the crime rate was the same. This meant that people were being locked up for lesser and lesser crimes. Why would Reagan do this? What is the most common crime committed? Drug crimes. Do you think anyone makes money when a rapist, murder, or child molester is locked up? Nope. But drug offenders are rampant everywhere, from buyers, sellers, to users.

So the Dept of Justice gets money to pay for locking up people, and ensuring job security. Don’t forget about judges, bailiffs, guards, court clerks, probation officers, parole dept, drug treatment facilities, halfway houses, and other shit I can’t think of. This system was created to make sure there was job security within corrections. Yet the tax payer suffers. Who pays for court costs for the indigent? Who pays salaries for correction officers?

Those jails and prisons aren’t free either. This is a multi-million dollar issue, there is no reason why the govt would care to fix it. Crowding issues? No one cares, they are triple stacking bunks in hall ways, outdoors, and cafeterias. And they will never ever change that.

My rant comes down to this, be prepared for a costly experience if you choose this path. You might avoid it, you might not. Just know it wont be fun if you aren’t so lucky.[/quote]

And drug users are such easy targets, they generally don’t fight back, large amounts of money for court fees, and all this shit.

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This is what Ecstacy can do to a famous techno dj. Be afraid be very very…afraid

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
This is what Ecstacy can do to a famous techno dj. Be afraid be very very…afraid[/quote]

Is he the one in the green or the blue?

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
This is what Ecstacy can do to a famous techno dj. Be afraid be very very…afraid[/quote]

It made him skinny and gave him a ghey haircut?

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[quote]SeanT wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
There is a reason why these bullshit laws exist. Back in the 80’s when Reagan was president, he imposed the war on drugs. He created Mandatory Minimum sentencing laws for drugs. If you bought/sold/conspired X amount of drugs, you received Y sentence. The problem with this is that there was no differentiation between low level and high level offenders. All people were considered equal and were sentenced under “conspiracy.” So what happened ?

The rate of incarceration quadrupled, but the crime rate was the same. This meant that people were being locked up for lesser and lesser crimes. Why would Reagan do this? What is the most common crime committed? Drug crimes. Do you think anyone makes money when a rapist, murder, or child molester is locked up? Nope. But drug offenders are rampant everywhere, from buyers, sellers, to users.

So the Dept of Justice gets money to pay for locking up people, and ensuring job security. Don’t forget about judges, bailiffs, guards, court clerks, probation officers, parole dept, drug treatment facilities, halfway houses, and other shit I can’t think of. This system was created to make sure there was job security within corrections. Yet the tax payer suffers. Who pays for court costs for the indigent? Who pays salaries for correction officers?

Those jails and prisons aren’t free either. This is a multi-million dollar issue, there is no reason why the govt would care to fix it. Crowding issues? No one cares, they are triple stacking bunks in hall ways, outdoors, and cafeterias. And they will never ever change that.

My rant comes down to this, be prepared for a costly experience if you choose this path. You might avoid it, you might not. Just know it wont be fun if you aren’t so lucky.

And drug users are such easy targets, they generally don’t fight back, large amounts of money for court fees, and all this shit.[/quote]

My lawyer told me it would be 50k up front, which doesn’t even guarantee your innocence. Just a chance to fight for it. You are also enhanced for not pleading guilty which penalized you even more if you lose. They call it obstruction of justice when you try to prove your innocence. A 2-point enhancement which could mean an extra 1-2 yrs in the joint.

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
etaco wrote:

I used alcohol and weed to “get fucked up”; everything else I tried specifically to “broaden my horizons.” My best friends in college had an identical approach as well and none of them had any substance abuse issues then or since.

Why? I hung out with responsibility and well put together people. On the other side, very few of the people I knew who went off a cliff with drugs were surprises.

I know what you’re saying, but don’t think that being well put together and responsible will protect you from harm. Shit, I’m an Ivy League graduate junkie. I didn’t have to stick you up or rob your house to get a fix, but that doesn’t make me better than any other heroin addict.

And like I said in my other post, addiction doesn’t happen all at once. Took me over a year of occasional heroin use before it stopped being fun, and I needed it just to live through a day.

I do plenty of weed, all types of hallucinogens, coke and alcohol to have fun. Those drugs never became a necessity for me. So, you really never know if you are truly ironclad, or what you’re dancing with today will kick your ass tomorrow.

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I think there are two fundamentally different types of experimentation. There’s the type akin to trying a that hole in the wall bhutanese restaurant you see. In this case the goal is both to experience something new and to find out if it’s worth having again.

The other type of experimentation is akin to doing a “will it blend” experiment. Unless you’re that crazy guy on youtube, you’re probably only going to try it once because, even if the result is entertaining, there isn’t much purpose in doing it again, much less repeatedly.

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
Sifu wrote:
This is what Ecstacy can do to a famous techno dj. Be afraid be very very…afraid

Is he the one in the green or the blue?[/quote]

The one in the green is Ricardo Villalobos. He is fairly well known in Europe. You can tell he is on exstacy because he is squinting out of one eye and sweating his ass off. I have seen a lot of that in clubs and Europe. You don’t want to get too close to someone like that because they will want to hug you and get you covered in their body ooze.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
You don’t want to get too close to someone like that because they will want to hug you and get you covered in their body ooze.[/quote]

lol. if that was my friend, i would be more concerned about his health than a little sweat. yea he does look fucked.