Experiences with Recreational Drugs

imhungry · August 23, 2008, 6:35pm

[quote]SeanT wrote:
flipHKD_6 wrote:
Regardless of a drug being physically or mentally addicting. It is addicting. You like the feeling so much, it’s not so easy to drop it, especially if you are depressed and are looking for an escape. Probably the wrong way but to each their own.

Have you EVER tried a hard drug? My friend SWIM told me about someone he met at a 7-11. This person can smoke heroin 3 days in a row and drop it the fourth day while not look back. He can blow lines of cocaine whenever he wants. It is VERY easy for him to pick it up and drop it. He has NO problem with addiction and most people are amazed at how he keeps a 4.3 GPA effortlessly. The thing is, SWIM told me this guy doesn’t do drugs for a way to escape or try and not feel depressed. He makes sure he stays clean during these times, as this is how many people do get addicted. Whenever he does a hard drug, it is for a quick stint of fun and that is it. He doesn’t make it a habit and has many ways for himself to prevent getting addicted. He stays away from people who use hard drugs, as he considers them bad influences. This guy won’t be doing any hard drugs in the future. He says heroin is best the first time and that is it. Even if you give it an 8 month break from the first time you do it, it isn’t nearly as good(this guy has never slammed any drug and never will). Cocaine is way too cut and expensive for him to consider even getting an addiction.

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Addicts don’t have the same thought processes that non-addicts have. It’s not that simple. Addicts will do just about anything to get money for drugs. Money isn’t what keeps people from being addicts, either.

imhungry · August 23, 2008, 2:41pm

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
hit the gym wrote:

I agree with you there and have read the studies also. From what I understand though, for experienced heroin users, without it you feel extremely depressed. It is impossible to feel happy or even be in a normal state without it. To be happy, you have to use. It is a vicious cycle. That is what is meant by physical addiction. Yes it really fucks your brain up.

Without heroin, you are much worse than depressed. Within 8 hours of your last fix, you start to feel sick, and about 24 hours later, the shakes start, you feel like you have the flu, and by day 2, you hit full-blown withdrawal. That’s when the stomach cramps, chills, puking, crushing headaches, profuse sweating, muscle cramps, shitting the bed (or your pants), panic and non-stop tremors are hitting you full swing.

FYI: Experienced heroin users are called junkies.

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Also, some people have died going through heroin withdraw, correct?

I’ve never heard of somebody dying from nicotiene withdraw.

KBCThird · August 23, 2008, 6:55pm

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Worst. Post. Ever.

What he said.

Do either of you have any experience with hard drugs?

OP: If you need to know anything www.erowid.org

You NEED to know what you’re getting in to before you do ANYTHING.[/quote]

What are you, fifteen? That’s barely enough time to have any experience with anything. Doing something, almost anything once is 99.9% certain not to kill you, but why would you want to start somethign that you know is not good for you because it’s “fun?” Of course your body can handle the effects when your a teenager and you’ve only done it a few times. But keep doing it at the same rate into your late 20s and early 30s … and if the response is “well, I’ll stop before i get there” then why the hell would you start.

Bottom line the hangover you get from coke or booze is a pretty clear sign from your body “Hey @$$#0, this isn’t such a good idea.”

FlavaDave · August 23, 2008, 7:43pm

[quote]DaahsirRoon wrote:
is it possible to have a gpa higher than 4?[/quote]

IDK what post you may be referring to, but here in SC the public schools have inflated their “gifted” students GPR’s allowing them to achieve 4.XX out of 5.0

FlavaDave · August 23, 2008, 7:47pm

[quote]flipHKD_6 wrote:
Regardless of a drug being physically or mentally addicting. It is addicting. You like the feeling so much, it’s not so easy to drop it, especially if you are depressed and are looking for an escape. Probably the wrong way but to each their own.[/quote]

Well, I hope that I’ve misinterpreted what you’re saying. I’m getting from this post that “it feels so good that it is addicting” which is a poor argument. That may be so for you personally, but if it was true across the board everyone would be addicted to eating, sex, music, etc.

FlavaDave · August 23, 2008, 7:55pm

Again, I have to point out that everything I’m seeing that is talking about how bad drugs are for you is referring to misuse of those drugs. And again, I will point out that this is not the drug that is at fault as it is the responsibility of the individual to not cross that line.

This is why it is important to have drug education (read: not DARE). Listen, the cat is already out of the bag and it’s not going back (the drug war will literally never win - every dollar put into fighting drugs is manifested in profit for drug producers making it worth the risk for them to provide the product). What we need to do is legalize the drugs, regulate them, and educate people. People who are going to try coke, heroin, etc., are going to try them anyway, period. I knew plenty of people in college who could use hard drugs without going overboard primarily because they were smart enough to educate themselves before getting involved.

zephead4747 · August 23, 2008, 8:19pm

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Worst. Post. Ever.

What he said.

Do either of you have any experience with hard drugs?

OP: If you need to know anything www.erowid.org

You NEED to know what you’re getting in to before you do ANYTHING.

What are you, fifteen? That’s barely enough time to have any experience with anything. Doing something, almost anything once is 99.9% certain not to kill you, but why would you want to start somethign that you know is not good for you because it’s “fun?” Of course your body can handle the effects when your a teenager and you’ve only done it a few times. But keep doing it at the same rate into your late 20s and early 30s … and if the response is “well, I’ll stop before i get there” then why the hell would you start.

Bottom line the hangover you get from coke or booze is a pretty clear sign from your body “Hey @$$#0, this isn’t such a good idea.”[/quote]

No experience with anything? I’ve walked down that road before and moved on, some people havent One of my friends from my first year of HS is in rehab right now, and another almost died a few months back, I really don’t need you to tell me about it.

KBCThird · August 23, 2008, 9:17pm

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Worst. Post. Ever.

What he said.

Do either of you have any experience with hard drugs?

OP: If you need to know anything www.erowid.org

You NEED to know what you’re getting in to before you do ANYTHING.

What are you, fifteen? That’s barely enough time to have any experience with anything. Doing something, almost anything once is 99.9% certain not to kill you, but why would you want to start somethign that you know is not good for you because it’s “fun?” Of course your body can handle the effects when your a teenager and you’ve only done it a few times. But keep doing it at the same rate into your late 20s and early 30s … and if the response is “well, I’ll stop before i get there” then why the hell would you start.

Bottom line the hangover you get from coke or booze is a pretty clear sign from your body “Hey @$$#0, this isn’t such a good idea.”

No experience with anything? I’ve walked down that road before and moved on, some people havent One of my friends from my first year of HS is in rehab right now, and another almost died a few months back, I really don’t need you to tell me about it.[/quote]

That’s awesome, then how about the next time this subject comes up, you respnd with THAT, instead of questioning pookie and zap’s experience levels, and then posting a website that implies that this is something that may be a decision that’s ok for some people and not ok for others. Besides inspiring Hunter S Thompson and a few artists, I struggle to come up with anyone whose life path was positively affected by hard drugs

FlavaDave · August 23, 2008, 9:43pm

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Besides inspiring Hunter S Thompson and a few artists, I struggle to come up with anyone whose life path was positively affected by hard drugs[/quote]

There are entire societies that use hard drugs (hallucinagens) for that purpose. Peyote ring a bell?

Steve Jobs:
I wish him the best, I really do. I just think he and Microsoft are a bit narrow. He’d be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger.

* On Bill Gates as quoted in "Creating Jobs" in The New York Times (12 January 1997)

SeanT · August 23, 2008, 11:17pm

[quote]FlavaDave wrote:
DaahsirRoon wrote:
is it possible to have a gpa higher than 4?

IDK what post you may be referring to, but here in SC the public schools have inflated their “gifted” students GPR’s allowing them to achieve 4.XX out of 5.0[/quote]

The GPA is weighted, it is not out of 5, but it is possible to score above a 4. He has a ~3.8 unweighted, but due to many honors(12 semesters of honors credits and 2 semesters of AP), he has a ~4.3 now.

zephead4747 · August 24, 2008, 3:21am

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Worst. Post. Ever.

What he said.

Do either of you have any experience with hard drugs?

OP: If you need to know anything www.erowid.org

You NEED to know what you’re getting in to before you do ANYTHING.

What are you, fifteen? That’s barely enough time to have any experience with anything. Doing something, almost anything once is 99.9% certain not to kill you, but why would you want to start somethign that you know is not good for you because it’s “fun?” Of course your body can handle the effects when your a teenager and you’ve only done it a few times. But keep doing it at the same rate into your late 20s and early 30s … and if the response is “well, I’ll stop before i get there” then why the hell would you start.

Bottom line the hangover you get from coke or booze is a pretty clear sign from your body “Hey @$$#0, this isn’t such a good idea.”

No experience with anything? I’ve walked down that road before and moved on, some people havent One of my friends from my first year of HS is in rehab right now, and another almost died a few months back, I really don’t need you to tell me about it.

That’s awesome, then how about the next time this subject comes up, you respnd with THAT, instead of questioning pookie and zap’s experience levels, and then posting a website that implies that this is something that may be a decision that’s ok for some people and not ok for others. Besides inspiring Hunter S Thompson and a few artists, I struggle to come up with anyone whose life path was positively affected by hard drugs[/quote]

That’s teh thing, I know quite a few people who remain high GPA overall happy people who do hard drugs now and then. I also know people who’ve really fucked up their life from it, even that’s quite an overstatement though. Most of them weren’t going anywhere anyways.

SeanT · August 23, 2008, 11:27pm

[quote]FlavaDave wrote:
Again, I have to point out that everything I’m seeing that is talking about how bad drugs are for you is referring to misuse of those drugs. And again, I will point out that this is not the drug that is at fault as it is the responsibility of the individual to not cross that line.

This is why it is important to have drug education (read: not DARE). Listen, the cat is already out of the bag and it’s not going back (the drug war will literally never win - every dollar put into fighting drugs is manifested in profit for drug producers making it worth the risk for them to provide the product). What we need to do is legalize the drugs, regulate them, and educate people. People who are going to try coke, heroin, etc., are going to try them anyway, period. I knew plenty of people in college who could use hard drugs without going overboard primarily because they were smart enough to educate themselves before getting involved.[/quote]

Education is the key, the person SWIM was talking to never tried a drug without reading up about the effects, side-effects, purification, risks, and benefits. It can show you if the drug is hype, how to deal with a bad situation, what to do if something goes wrong, etc… If there was something similar to erowid being taught in schools, we would be much better off.

SeanT · August 23, 2008, 11:39pm

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Worst. Post. Ever.

What he said.

Do either of you have any experience with hard drugs?

OP: If you need to know anything www.erowid.org

You NEED to know what you’re getting in to before you do ANYTHING.

What are you, fifteen? That’s barely enough time to have any experience with anything. Doing something, almost anything once is 99.9% certain not to kill you, but why would you want to start somethign that you know is not good for you because it’s “fun?” Of course your body can handle the effects when your a teenager and you’ve only done it a few times. But keep doing it at the same rate into your late 20s and early 30s … and if the response is “well, I’ll stop before i get there” then why the hell would you start.

Bottom line the hangover you get from coke or booze is a pretty clear sign from your body “Hey @$$#0, this isn’t such a good idea.”[/quote]

I’m not 15 and I have plenty more experience than a lot of people I know. I know multiple heroin addicts, one was my best friend for 3 years, cokeheads, potheads, and a tweaker. And to tell you the truth, most of those people were not going anywhere in life before they started using drugs. Drugs simply accelerated their decline. I no longer associate with any of those people, but seeing where they went have kept me from following down that path. These people were fucking up before they used drugs and they will continue to fuck up while using.

SWIM met a guy at 7-11 and that guy has done many things more than once. A good thing about being younger is your body can handle it. School is starting soon for him, so he is stopping ALL drug use for atleast a few months to gauge how much work is going to be required and to focus on his studies. Have you ever been drunk? Well you could become an alcoholic! But do most people become alcoholics? Of course not. If you played everything safe in your life, then what is the point of living? I am not saying take unnecessary risks, but never taking a chance is not a way to live.

Oh, and that guy, has gotten about 2 hangovers from drugs(including alcohol) is his life. He takes precautions(pre-loading, post loading), tyrosine, nootropics to help prevent side effects. Being in shape has helped tremendously too.

SeanT · August 23, 2008, 11:42pm

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Worst. Post. Ever.

What he said.

Do either of you have any experience with hard drugs?

OP: If you need to know anything www.erowid.org

You NEED to know what you’re getting in to before you do ANYTHING.

What are you, fifteen? That’s barely enough time to have any experience with anything. Doing something, almost anything once is 99.9% certain not to kill you, but why would you want to start somethign that you know is not good for you because it’s “fun?” Of course your body can handle the effects when your a teenager and you’ve only done it a few times. But keep doing it at the same rate into your late 20s and early 30s … and if the response is “well, I’ll stop before i get there” then why the hell would you start.

Bottom line the hangover you get from coke or booze is a pretty clear sign from your body “Hey @$$#0, this isn’t such a good idea.”

No experience with anything? I’ve walked down that road before and moved on, some people havent One of my friends from my first year of HS is in rehab right now, and another almost died a few months back, I really don’t need you to tell me about it.

That’s awesome, then how about the next time this subject comes up, you respnd with THAT, instead of questioning pookie and zap’s experience levels, and then posting a website that implies that this is something that may be a decision that’s ok for some people and not ok for others. Besides inspiring Hunter S Thompson and a few artists, I struggle to come up with anyone whose life path was positively affected by hard drugs[/quote]

Hunter S. Thompson also killed himself. Drug ABUSE is something not to be messed around with, but responsible use is something completely different. Too many people mess around with drugs they know NOTHING about.

Oh and how about drugs such as LSD, MDMA, Shrooms helping the terminally ill?

“When they were interviewed again 14 months later 58 per cent rated the experience among the five most personally meaningful of their lives and 64 per cent said it had increased their well-being.”

check out maps.org too, a lot of good info for positive use of psychedelics.

KBCThird · August 24, 2008, 2:54am

[quote]FlavaDave wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Besides inspiring Hunter S Thompson and a few artists, I struggle to come up with anyone whose life path was positively affected by hard drugs

There are entire societies that use hard drugs (hallucinagens) for that purpose. Peyote ring a bell? [/quote]
Sure does, and as I said, artists ahve used many kinds of drugs for inspiration. Seeing as how every (or at least almost every, as far as im aware, all) society on earth has some method of altering conciousness, there is clearly some very human need or desire to experience an altered reality. At the same time, where are the peyote societies now? As far as I’m aware it was mostly american indian tribes in teh SW, correct (that’s a genuine question, not trying to be a wiseguy)? Not exactly what I would consider a model for positive cultural growth.

[quote]Steve Jobs:
I wish him the best, I really do. I just think he and Microsoft are a bit narrow. He’d be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger.

* On Bill Gates as quoted in "Creating Jobs" in The New York Times (12 January 1997)

[/quote]
First of all, Jobs is a weird MFer. A genius, to be sure, but from what I have read of him (so granted this is all second and third-hand) the guy has so much trouble/is so uninterested in participating in normal society that if it werent for the fact that people put up with him becasue of the $$ and the aforementioned genius, he’d have trouble functioning. I could be wrong tho

KBCThird · August 24, 2008, 3:02am

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Worst. Post. Ever.

What he said.

Do either of you have any experience with hard drugs?

OP: If you need to know anything www.erowid.org

You NEED to know what you’re getting in to before you do ANYTHING.

What are you, fifteen? That’s barely enough time to have any experience with anything. Doing something, almost anything once is 99.9% certain not to kill you, but why would you want to start somethign that you know is not good for you because it’s “fun?” Of course your body can handle the effects when your a teenager and you’ve only done it a few times. But keep doing it at the same rate into your late 20s and early 30s … and if the response is “well, I’ll stop before i get there” then why the hell would you start.

Bottom line the hangover you get from coke or booze is a pretty clear sign from your body “Hey @$$#0, this isn’t such a good idea.”

No experience with anything? I’ve walked down that road before and moved on, some people havent One of my friends from my first year of HS is in rehab right now, and another almost died a few months back, I really don’t need you to tell me about it.

That’s awesome, then how about the next time this subject comes up, you respnd with THAT, instead of questioning pookie and zap’s experience levels, and then posting a website that implies that this is something that may be a decision that’s ok for some people and not ok for others. Besides inspiring Hunter S Thompson and a few artists, I struggle to come up with anyone whose life path was positively affected by hard drugs

That’s teh thing, I know quite a few people who remain high GPA overall happy people who do hard drugs now and then. I also know people who’ve really fucked up their life from it, even that’s quite an overstatement though. Most of them weren’t going anywhere anyways.[/quote]

Zep, just lost my post, dont feel like retyping it. Main thing i wrote was: I never said that drugs WILL DEFINITELY screw your life up, we probably all know functioning addicts. But I see no point in undertaking an activity that you have no long-term plans for anyway.

It was more detailed than that, but it’ll ahve to do

KBCThird · August 24, 2008, 3:06am

[quote]SeanT wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Worst. Post. Ever.

What he said.

Do either of you have any experience with hard drugs?

OP: If you need to know anything www.erowid.org

You NEED to know what you’re getting in to before you do ANYTHING.

What are you, fifteen? That’s barely enough time to have any experience with anything. Doing something, almost anything once is 99.9% certain not to kill you, but why would you want to start somethign that you know is not good for you because it’s “fun?” Of course your body can handle the effects when your a teenager and you’ve only done it a few times. But keep doing it at the same rate into your late 20s and early 30s … and if the response is “well, I’ll stop before i get there” then why the hell would you start.

Bottom line the hangover you get from coke or booze is a pretty clear sign from your body “Hey @$$#0, this isn’t such a good idea.”

I’m not 15 and I have plenty more experience than a lot of people I know. I know multiple heroin addicts, one was my best friend for 3 years, cokeheads, potheads, and a tweaker. And to tell you the truth, most of those people were not going anywhere in life before they started using drugs. Drugs simply accelerated their decline. I no longer associate with any of those people, but seeing where they went have kept me from following down that path. These people were fucking up before they used drugs and they will continue to fuck up while using.

SWIM met a guy at 7-11 and that guy has done many things more than once. A good thing about being younger is your body can handle it. School is starting soon for him, so he is stopping ALL drug use for atleast a few months to gauge how much work is going to be required and to focus on his studies. Have you ever been drunk? Well you could become an alcoholic! But do most people become alcoholics? Of course not. If you played everything safe in your life, then what is the point of living? I am not saying take unnecessary risks, but never taking a chance is not a way to live.

Oh, and that guy, has gotten about 2 hangovers from drugs(including alcohol) is his life. He takes precautions(pre-loading, post loading), tyrosine, nootropics to help prevent side effects. Being in shape has helped tremendously too.[/quote]

AS I said to zep, didnt say that drugs will DEFINITELY screw you up, just that there’s about a .1% chance of them having a POSITIVE effect on your life. That doesnt mean there’s a 99.9% chance it’ll have a life-alteringly bad effect on your life, just htat the best likely scenario is little to no long term impact.

At no point did I say, nor imply not to take chances. But there is such a thing as calculated risk, as a risk:reward analysis, a cost:benefit analysis. Drugs just dont offer up that much reward/benefit, so arguing over the risk/cost is almost secondary.

That’s pretty interesting about the guy who’s only had two drug hangovers in his life.

KBCThird · August 24, 2008, 3:08am

[quote]SeanT wrote:
Hunter S. Thompson also killed himself. Drug ABUSE is something not to be messed around with, but responsible use is something completely different. Too many people mess around with drugs they know NOTHING about. [/quote]
That was going to be part of my point, but then i forgot to write that after adding in “and some artists”

Thats interesting, and I will say that I did NOT know abotu it. i havent read that website as yet, but may
… again tho, big diff between recreational and medicinal.

SeanT · August 24, 2008, 3:42am

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
SeanT wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Worst. Post. Ever.