gotcha.
[quote]NateOrade wrote:
Enough bashing…
Let’s hear all the SUCCESS STORIES from people taking hard drugs!!!
…[/quote]
I’m not a success story. I’m just a survivor.
I’ve done just about every drug there is. I still do a few every now and then. But I’m a junkie. I started doing heroin “casually” just having some fun partying with wanna-be rock stars. It was safe, and it was clean. Hell, the tour doctor shot me up a few times, no worries. Once every few weeks turned into every weekend, turned into every day, turned into my addiction. It’s pretty much the same story for any junkie, rich and poor. I didn’t quit because I wanted to. I quit because somebody saved my life.
That was 25 years ago. I went back to graduate school, hooked up with Yo Daddy, and raised up a family, hit the weights, and my life is pretty good now. But I’m still a junkie. Every morning, before my feet hit the floor, I wonder if this is going to be the day I stick the needle back in my arm. Is it my choice? Hell, yeah, it’s my choice. But my addiction is one strong motherfucker, and the day I get weak is the day I start to die.
Thats one amazing story Yo Momma. I had my phase of experimentation which was short lived and limited to exctasy. Although it didnt kill me or even harm me (that I know of), it did cost me my freedom. Unless you are ready to deal with the consequences, don’t even flirt with the notion of trying it.
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Enough bashing…
Let’s hear all the SUCCESS STORIES from people taking hard drugs!!!
…
I’m not a success story. I’m just a survivor.
I’ve done just about every drug there is. I still do a few every now and then. But I’m a junkie. I started doing heroin “casually” just having some fun partying with wanna-be rock stars.
It was safe, and it was clean. Hell, the tour doctor shot me up a few times, no worries. Once every few weeks turned into every weekend, turned into every day, turned into my addiction. It’s pretty much the same story for any junkie, rich and poor. I didn’t quit because I wanted to. I quit because somebody saved my life.
That was 25 years ago. I went back to graduate school, hooked up with Yo Daddy, and raised up a family, hit the weights, and my life is pretty good now. But I’m still a junkie.
Every morning, before my feet hit the floor, I wonder if this is going to be the day I stick the needle back in my arm. Is it my choice? Hell, yeah, it’s my choice. But my addiction is one strong motherfucker, and the day I get weak is the day I start to die.
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Truly inspirational and good luck.
I personally think drugs should be legal, not because they are good for you. But it is the cost of the war on drugs.
I would add all of Law enforcements efforts, All Jailed drug users and dealers, the cost of all the foreign allies such as Mexico and Columbia. Add all of those figures and it has to be astronomical.
I know the Libertarians would be much apposed, but they could take the money saved on the war on drugs and offer drug rehab. I had a friend that for a few months blew $50,000 on a rehab program.
I agree with Professor X that our government has done a disservice to our youth by categorizing Marijuana in the same class as Heroin. I think it would make a big statement to correct that problem
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Enough bashing…
Let’s hear all the SUCCESS STORIES from people taking hard drugs!!!
…
I’m not a success story. I’m just a survivor.
I’ve done just about every drug there is. I still do a few every now and then. But I’m a junkie. I started doing heroin “casually” just having some fun partying with wanna-be rock stars. It was safe, and it was clean.
Hell, the tour doctor shot me up a few times, no worries. Once every few weeks turned into every weekend, turned into every day, turned into my addiction. It’s pretty much the same story for any junkie, rich and poor. I didn’t quit because I wanted to. I quit because somebody saved my life.
That was 25 years ago. I went back to graduate school, hooked up with Yo Daddy, and raised up a family, hit the weights, and my life is pretty good now. But I’m still a junkie.
Every morning, before my feet hit the floor, I wonder if this is going to be the day I stick the needle back in my arm. Is it my choice? Hell, yeah, it’s my choice. But my addiction is one strong motherfucker, and the day I get weak is the day I start to die.
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Great post, awesome words.
There but for the grace of god go I.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Enough bashing…
Let’s hear all the SUCCESS STORIES from people taking hard drugs!!!
…
I’m not a success story. I’m just a survivor.
I’ve done just about every drug there is. I still do a few every now and then. But I’m a junkie. I started doing heroin “casually” just having some fun partying with wanna-be rock stars. It was safe, and it was clean.
Hell, the tour doctor shot me up a few times, no worries. Once every few weeks turned into every weekend, turned into every day, turned into my addiction. It’s pretty much the same story for any junkie, rich and poor. I didn’t quit because I wanted to. I quit because somebody saved my life.
That was 25 years ago. I went back to graduate school, hooked up with Yo Daddy, and raised up a family, hit the weights, and my life is pretty good now. But I’m still a junkie.
Every morning, before my feet hit the floor, I wonder if this is going to be the day I stick the needle back in my arm. Is it my choice? Hell, yeah, it’s my choice. But my addiction is one strong motherfucker, and the day I get weak is the day I start to die.
Truly inspirational and good luck.
I personally think drugs should be legal, not because they are good for you. But it is the cost of the war on drugs. I would add all of Law enforcements efforts,
All Jailed drug users and dealers, the cost of all the foreign allies such as Mexico and Columbia. Add all of those figures and it has to be astronomical.
I know the Libertarians would be much apposed, but they could take the money saved on the war on drugs and offer drug rehab. I had a friend that for a few months blew $50,000 on a rehab program.
I agree with Professor X that our government has done a disservice to our youth by categorizing Marijuana in the same class as Heroin. I think it would make a big statement to correct that problem
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[i]
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This total was estimated by the federal U.S. government’s cost report on drug control to be roughly $12 billion in 2005.
Additionally, in a separate report, the U.S. government reports that the cost of incarcerating drug law offenders was $30.1 billion�??$9.1 billion for police protection, $4.5 billion for legal adjudication, and $11.0 billion for state and federal corrections.
In total, roughly $45.5 billion was spent in 2005 for these factors.
[/i]
With $45.5 billion extra a year we could start paying off the national debt, give public schools top quality educations, and so much more. With drugs being legal, Ibogaine clincs would be able to legally open to help heroin/opiate addicts.
Therapy with MDMA could be a very big possibility(MDMA breaks down barriers and is near ideal for therapy). Real data about the dangers of drugs could be produced by UNBIASED sources. No more cut drugs, easier ways to help addicts, and less crime.
With the extra money, we could follow a Netherlands style government issued heroin injection sights. They give them a meal, a place to sleep, heroin, options to go to rehab, nurses to watch over, and needles.
This keeps junkies off the street, stops them from stealing to pay for the habit, and overall saves a SHITLOAD of money. The article below states: “After one year in the program, according to Van den Brink, all participants had better mental and physical health, while the number of days addicts engaged in crime to “score” heroin dropped from 14 to two per month.”
[i]The Dutch parliament (Tweede Kamer) has voted to expand the country’s free heroin program after hearing of the overwhelmingly positive results of a two-year pilot program, the Rotterdam newspaper de Volksrant reported March 5.
The pilot program is currently providing free heroin to some 300 users, who must be Dutch nationals and at least 25 years of age.
The program, started in March 2002, came about as the Ministries of Public Health, Social Affairs, and Justice recognized that despite their best efforts to stop and reduce heroin use, the county had anywhere from one to two thousand hardcore heroin addicts who could not or would not kick the habit.
By this summer, a thousand Dutch users could be in the program, parliament members told the newspaper.
Government officials had supported the original pilot project in part because of anticipated economic and social benefits. And they are seeing them.
Public Health Minister Borst told de Volksrant that the free heroin program costs around 15,000 euro per patient annually, a far cry less than the costs of prison and petty crime associated with black market drug use.
The policy also conserves law enforcement resources, and keeps heroin users in touch with mainstream society. “All the statistics point to the fact that free heroin is the best policy,” Dr. Wim Van den Brink, director of the Dutch agency to treat heroin addicts (CCBH), told the newspaper.
After one year in the program, according to Van den Brink, all participants had better mental and physical health, while the number of days addicts engaged in crime to “score” heroin dropped from 14 to two per month.
The announcement that the pilot program would be not only continued but expanded is remarkable coming from a Dutch government controlled by the conservative Christian Democrats (Christen Democratisch Appel or CDA).
In addition to earning its rightist stripes by appealing to anti-immigrant sentiments, and sending Dutch troops to Afghanistan and supporting the US occupation of Iraq in the face of mass public opposition, the CDA has proven no friend of relaxing drug laws.
In January 2002, as reported by the newspaper Algemeen Dagblad, before they gained power, the CDA sponsored and passed a bill to prohibit the “testing” of MDMA (ecstasy) pills at raves for impurities or adulterants.
For about 10 years local city governments turned a blind eye and allowed such tests at youth centers and private raves as a harm reduction measure, said the Algemeen Dagblad. Despite the obvious public health benefits, the CDA, joined with other Christian and right-wing parties banned the practice.
Further, in May 2002 (The Week Online, Issue #238, May 24, 2002), the CDA floated a trial balloon about closing down hash bars and has continued to make similar noises ever since.
Their ideological preferences notwithstanding, even CDA leaders, unlike their American counterparts in the US Congress or the Bush Administration, cannot challenge statistics showing the success of free heroin.
Dutch social scientist and drug expert Peter Cohen has famously noted that drug policy has little to do with drug use levels. A comparison of Dutch and US heroin use rates appears to support his point.
According to the National Institutes on Drug Abuse (NIDA), the lifetime use rate was 0.85 in the harshly prohibitionist US, while Cohen and other researchers have found lifetime use rates in the more tolerant Netherlands about half the US rate, 0.4%
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http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/328/heroin.shtml
[quote]SeanT wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Enough bashing…
Let’s hear all the SUCCESS STORIES from people taking hard drugs!!!
…
I’m not a success story. I’m just a survivor.
I’ve done just about every drug there is. I still do a few every now and then. But I’m a junkie. I started doing heroin “casually” just having some fun partying with wanna-be rock stars. It was safe, and it was clean.
Hell, the tour doctor shot me up a few times, no worries. Once every few weeks turned into every weekend, turned into every day, turned into my addiction. It’s pretty much the same story for any junkie, rich and poor. I didn’t quit because I wanted to. I quit because somebody saved my life.
That was 25 years ago. I went back to graduate school, hooked up with Yo Daddy, and raised up a family, hit the weights, and my life is pretty good now. But I’m still a junkie.
Every morning, before my feet hit the floor, I wonder if this is going to be the day I stick the needle back in my arm. Is it my choice? Hell, yeah, it’s my choice. But my addiction is one strong motherfucker, and the day I get weak is the day I start to die.
Truly inspirational and good luck.
I personally think drugs should be legal, not because they are good for you. But it is the cost of the war on drugs. I would add all of Law enforcements efforts, All Jailed drug users and dealers, the cost of all the foreign allies such as Mexico and Columbia.
Add all of those figures and it has to be astronomical. I know the Libertarians would be much apposed, but they could take the money saved on the war on drugs and offer drug rehab. I had a friend that for a few months blew $50,000 on a rehab program.
I agree with Professor X that our government has done a disservice to our youth by categorizing Marijuana in the same class as Heroin. I think it would make a big statement to correct that problem
[i]
"
This total was estimated by the federal U.S. government’s cost report on drug control to be roughly $12 billion in 2005. Additionally, in a separate report, the U.S. government reports that the cost of incarcerating drug law offenders was $30.1 billion�??$9.1 billion for police protection, $4.5 billion for legal adjudication, and $11.0 billion for state and federal corrections.
In total, roughly $45.5 billion was spent in 2005 for these factors.
[/i]
With $45.5 billion extra a year we could start paying off the national debt, give public schools top quality educations, and so much more. With drugs being legal, Ibogaine clincs would be able to legally open to help heroin/opiate addicts. Therapy with MDMA could be a very big possibility(MDMA breaks down barriers and is near ideal for therapy).
Real data about the dangers of drugs could be produced by UNBIASED sources. No more cut drugs, easier ways to help addicts, and less crime.
With the extra money, we could follow a Netherlands style government issued heroin injection sights. They give them a meal, a place to sleep, heroin, options to go to rehab, nurses to watch over, and needles.
This keeps junkies off the street, stops them from stealing to pay for the habit, and overall saves a SHITLOAD of money. The article below states: “After one year in the program, according to Van den Brink, all participants had better mental and physical health, while the number of days addicts engaged in crime to “score” heroin dropped from 14 to two per month.”
[i]The Dutch parliament (Tweede Kamer) has voted to expand the country’s free heroin program after hearing of the overwhelmingly positive results of a two-year pilot program, the Rotterdam newspaper de Volksrant reported March 5.
The pilot program is currently providing free heroin to some 300 users, who must be Dutch nationals and at least 25 years of age.
The program, started in March 2002, came about as the Ministries of Public Health, Social Affairs, and Justice recognized that despite their best efforts to stop and reduce heroin use, the county had anywhere from one to two thousand hardcore heroin addicts who could not or would not kick the habit.
By this summer, a thousand Dutch users could be in the program, parliament members told the newspaper.
Government officials had supported the original pilot project in part because of anticipated economic and social benefits. And they are seeing them. Public Health Minister Borst told de Volksrant that the free heroin program costs around 15,000 euro per patient annually, a far cry less than the costs of prison and petty crime associated with black market drug use.
The policy also conserves law enforcement resources, and keeps heroin users in touch with mainstream society. “All the statistics point to the fact that free heroin is the best policy,” Dr. Wim Van den Brink, director of the Dutch agency to treat heroin addicts (CCBH), told the newspaper.
After one year in the program, according to Van den Brink, all participants had better mental and physical health, while the number of days addicts engaged in crime to “score” heroin dropped from 14 to two per month.
The announcement that the pilot program would be not only continued but expanded is remarkable coming from a Dutch government controlled by the conservative Christian Democrats (Christen Democratisch Appel or CDA).
In addition to earning its rightist stripes by appealing to anti-immigrant sentiments, and sending Dutch troops to Afghanistan and supporting the US occupation of Iraq in the face of mass public opposition, the CDA has proven no friend of relaxing drug laws.
In January 2002, as reported by the newspaper Algemeen Dagblad, before they gained power, the CDA sponsored and passed a bill to prohibit the “testing” of MDMA (ecstasy) pills at raves for impurities or adulterants.
For about 10 years local city governments turned a blind eye and allowed such tests at youth centers and private raves as a harm reduction measure, said the Algemeen Dagblad. Despite the obvious public health benefits, the CDA, joined with other Christian and right-wing parties banned the practice.
Further, in May 2002 (The Week Online, Issue #238, May 24, 2002), the CDA floated a trial balloon about closing down hash bars and has continued to make similar noises ever since.
Their ideological preferences notwithstanding, even CDA leaders, unlike their American counterparts in the US Congress or the Bush Administration, cannot challenge statistics showing the success of free heroin.
Dutch social scientist and drug expert Peter Cohen has famously noted that drug policy has little to do with drug use levels. A comparison of Dutch and US heroin use rates appears to support his point.
According to the National Institutes on Drug Abuse (NIDA), the lifetime use rate was 0.85 in the harshly prohibitionist US, while Cohen and other researchers have found lifetime use rates in the more tolerant Netherlands about half the US rate, 0.4%
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http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/328/heroin.shtml[/quote]
WOW… even some cops are against prohibition.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
SeanT wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
A good bunch of my friends started using marijuana somewhat recently, at first just once in a while, for fun, but it seems to have gotten rather out of hand lately. I know cannabis isn’t technically addictive, and usage has little health risk, if any, but it seems that they have to smoke all the time now.
Every day. Every time we go out, at some point they smoke. If they don’t, it’s because they couldn’t find any that night. I know a guy that’s been high for the past few months. It’s really starting to annoy me. I think I might have to have a few discussions this week.
It’s always fun. Cannabis acts as “fun amplifier”, it makes everything more fun. If you want to ask them to slowdown once or twice that is cool with most people, but if your going to be an asshole about smoking(bugging them every time, telling about dangers of smoking), they will avoid you. Next time I’d just relax and being sober around high people can be fun.
Smoking everyday is fun, but can be a big drain on the wallet and it also gets boring. So they will probably lessen their usage soon enough. This doesn’t always happen, how long has this been going on?
SeanT, your posts are so far pretty informative, but the real world experience makes posts like the previous one sound absolutely ridiculous.
Vicomte: Do not expect anything more from your friends. You will just have to demand more of yourself, and forget about these friends, as…speaking from experience, most of them are probably lost. Don’t worry about “getting into” what they are into.
People can glamorize pot smoking as much as any other drug, but addictive behavior is what is is, and people that will indulge in such will almost never amount to anything. You are in a much, MUCH better position where you are presently, without that evil seed of desire planted in you. Please trust me.
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This post recently struck a chord of what is currently going on in my life. Cortes, even if you are talking from experience, I couldn’t just abandon my friends WITHOUT trying all I could to get him to fix the problem. I can’t roll with the punch on this and walk away. I have too much hope and I expect so much more from my friends. I can’t see how you just “forget” your friends without a fight; cause fuck, if all my friends abandoned me in my time of need, who would be there?
“True CHARACTER is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure.” Robert McKee
No. When it comes to real addiction, all bets are off. And yes, I do speak from experience. I am at a better point in my life because I did not allow myself to be dragged down by the so-called “friends” I had.
I suppose this all rests on a simple definition of terms, but the people I was “abandoning” were no more “friends” than the people who were interested in getting me hooked into getting themselves rich in the first place. I certainly have no desire to hang out with myself when I was at that place in my life. No matter what my potential, I wouldn’t have wanted that.
In the same vein, no matter what these other guys’ potential was, it was not going to do anything for me other than bring me down. And I also know, from personal experience, that bringing someone out of that hole is basically impossible. No one. No one. No one. Ever. Will bring someone out of addiction until they recognize what is happening to them. Until that point, they are not “themselves” at all.
So no, Sean, you are wrong. And honestly, although I think your knowledge of the drug culture is extensive, I think it is naive. I have no need to win an argument with you, this is just how I feel based upon, yes, very extensive experience.
Let me say this more clearly:
“Friends” will change throughout your life. And when you are older, whoever you are, you will be GLAD that you did not keep the friends you once had. If those guys happened to change, they will probably still remain friends. Going by Sean’s logic, we should remain close, self-sacrificing friends with everyone we have ever met from the moment we were born.
Does anybody do this? Or do you keep close to you the friends that most embody the same beliefs and values as your own?
As for me, thank GOD I did not keep the friends I had 10 years ago. I’d probably be dead now.
back in the day…
dropped a hit of blotter . took the dirtbike out for a screamer thru the city . losy my keys .
bicycle days anyone ?
Reading this thread has been a disappointment for me. Honestly, for a group of people who understand that common knowledge is incorrect in the realms of weightlifting, nutrition and steroids I expected more. Some of you need to question more.
Thinking about a lot of the posts in here, I have to point out that the problem a lot of you guys have with drugs is not actually the drug, but the people who use the drug. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in the world who are prone to over-consumption. You have to realize though that these people would have problems with or without the drugs that they use.
If drugs had never existed these people would be caught up in another activity that is just as detrimental to their lives as the drugs they now use. Take for instance people who spend their live savings on, well, any consumer good or spend their entire day on the internet or watching TV.* These are things that steal you away from the real world just as well as drugs.
Now, for the poster who said “Lets post success stories of drugs.” Drugs are simply one of many spices of life. They are comparable to sitting down and enjoying a fine cigar or pipe, having a one night stand, or enjoying some alcohol. Some people want you to believe that drugs will expand your mind and blah blah blah (see: Steve Jobs on LSD), but honestly drugs are what they are: simply another way to enjoy and experience life.
That’s my two cents on the subject.
*I’m going to go ahead and preempt all the “hurf durf drugs will kill you the first time you use them” That again is not the drug. You can thank their legal status for the ignorance on proper usage and the shady practices (such as cutting) that it encourages. The bottom line is that if you know what you’re doing and aren’t one of the individuals who are predisposed to addiction/over-consumption drugs are as fine an addition to life as any other activity.
I’m sure it’s already been linked, but if you’re considering experimenting with drugs please use www.erowid.org and do your research. Your friends likely don’t know any more than you do about correct usage/drug interactions so they are only so good as a resource.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
No. When it comes to real addiction, all bets are off. And yes, I do speak from experience. I am at a better point in my life because I did not allow myself to be dragged down by the so-called “friends” I had.
I suppose this all rests on a simple definition of terms, but the people I was “abandoning” were no more “friends” than the people who were interested in getting me hooked into getting themselves rich in the first place. I certainly have no desire to hang out with myself when I was at that place in my life. No matter what my potential, I wouldn’t have wanted that. In the same vein, no matter what these other guys’ potential was, it was not going to do anything for me other than bring me down. And I also know, from personal experience, that bringing someone out of that hole is basically impossible. No one. No one. No one. Ever. Will bring someone out of addiction until they recognize what is happening to them. Until that point, they are not “themselves” at all.
So no, Sean, you are wrong. And honestly, although I think your knowledge of the drug culture is extensive, I think it is naive. I have no need to win an argument with you, this is just how I feel based upon, yes, very extensive experience. [/quote]
Cortes, I am not trying to start an argument, or win one with you. I am trying to learn and see what you are saying, as I am sure it WILL help me later in life. I believe you have more experience in trying to reclaim people and I was putting out my perspective.
I believe that if they are trying to bring you down with them, i.e. get you hooked, they are no longer the “same” friend. People do change, they can change a lot in the course of one year. But if a dear friend was struggling with addiction, I would try to help out. Try and get him clean, try and help him realize what has happened to him. If he keeps pushing me aside and tries to bring me down, he is no longer the person I became friends with. And then I would “abandon” that person, as he is no longer my friend and is just a nobody.
[quote]FlavaDave wrote:
Reading this thread has been a disappointment for me. Honestly, for a group of people who understand that common knowledge is incorrect in the realms of weightlifting, nutrition and steroids I expected more. Some of you need to question more.
Thinking about a lot of the posts in here, I have to point out that the problem a lot of you guys have with drugs is not actually the drug, but the people who use the drug. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in the world who are prone to over-consumption. You have to realize though that these people would have problems with or without the drugs that they use. If drugs had never existed these people would be caught up in another activity that is just as detrimental to their lives as the drugs they now use. Take for instance people who spend their live savings on, well, any consumer good or spend their entire day on the internet or watching TV.* These are things that steal you away from the real world just as well as drugs.
Now, for the poster who said “Lets post success stories of drugs.” Drugs are simply one of many spices of life. They are comparable to sitting down and enjoying a fine cigar or pipe, having a one night stand, or enjoying some alcohol. Some people want you to believe that drugs will expand your mind and blah blah blah (see: Steve Jobs on LSD), but honestly drugs are what they are: simply another way to enjoy and experience life.
That’s my two cents on the subject.
*I’m going to go ahead and preempt all the “hurf durf drugs will kill you the first time you use them” That again is not the drug. You can thank their legal status for the ignorance on proper usage and the shady practices (such as cutting) that it encourages. The bottom line is that if you know what you’re doing and aren’t one of the individuals who are predisposed to addiction/over-consumption drugs are as fine an addition to life as any other activity.
I’m sure it’s already been linked, but if you’re considering experimenting with drugs please use www.erowid.org and do your research. Your friends likely don’t know any more than you do about correct usage/drug interactions so they are only so good as a resource.[/quote]
FlavaDave, I was too expecting a little more from T-Nation. Too many people can’t control themselves and simply use drugs as an excuse for lack of willpower. If those people do not have drugs as an excuse, they will find something else. Now if your family history is laced with drug/alcohol addiction, don’t even try to use and control. It is not worth the risk.
Regardless of a drug being physically or mentally addicting. It is addicting. You like the feeling so much, it’s not so easy to drop it, especially if you are depressed and are looking for an escape. Probably the wrong way but to each their own.
[quote]shizen wrote:
ibanezrg320 wrote:
What do people think would happen if all drugs were legalised and sold by the government?
Would this drive out the underworld drug rings?
Would it stop drug trafficking?
This way the drugs wouldn’t be mixed and people would know exactly what they’re taking.
Fight fire with fire
that would never happen, the government will never even sell drugs that could vastly improve the lives of many people like steroids. [/quote]
Doing that would also cost the jobs of alot of people who work for the government agencies that are trying to control the drug trade.
[quote]flipHKD_6 wrote:
Regardless of a drug being physically or mentally addicting. It is addicting. You like the feeling so much, it’s not so easy to drop it, especially if you are depressed and are looking for an escape. Probably the wrong way but to each their own.[/quote]
Have you EVER tried a hard drug? My friend SWIM told me about someone he met at a 7-11. This person can smoke heroin 3 days in a row and drop it the fourth day while not look back. He can blow lines of cocaine whenever he wants. It is VERY easy for him to pick it up and drop it. He has NO problem with addiction and most people are amazed at how he keeps a 4.3 GPA effortlessly. The thing is, SWIM told me this guy doesn’t do drugs for a way to escape or try and not feel depressed. He makes sure he stays clean during these times, as this is how many people do get addicted.
Whenever he does a hard drug, it is for a quick stint of fun and that is it. He doesn’t make it a habit and has many ways for himself to prevent getting addicted. He stays away from people who use hard drugs, as he considers them bad influences. This guy won’t be doing any hard drugs in the future. He says heroin is best the first time and that is it. Even if you give it an 8 month break from the first time you do it, it isn’t nearly as good(this guy has never slammed any drug and never will). Cocaine is way too cut and expensive for him to consider even getting an addiction.
is it possible to have a gpa higher than 4?
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Cortes wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
chillain wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
chillain wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
SeanT wrote:
What I am trying to emphasize is getting hooked on a drug is a process
this is basically what I was saying to begin with.
you become an addict because you let yourself become one.
If you can handle it, great. if you can’t you probably should stay the hell away from anything harder then pot.
No. Whatever you guys are saying is too simplistic (naive?) and implies that addiction is wholly psychological and not based on lasting changes in brain chemistry.
Here’s some reading on where neuroscientists are currently at in terms of studying addiction at the molecular level:
So you can’t consciously make a decision? Really?
If it were only that simple.
Look up limbic system and dopamine, for starters. And if you’re up to it, go ahead and read some of those articles I already linked.
it IS that simple. Drugs to not implant anything that makes the decision for you. Ulitamtely YOU decide what you do. Anything else is just an excuse.
zephead, your posts are starting to sound stupid. You obviously did not read a single one of the many articles linked in chillains very good post. Addiction is a LOT more complicated than someone making a simple decision one way or another. This is the first time I have seen the subject tackled this scientifically, and it is an eye opener, very enlightening.
I won’t go into my own experience with addiction here, but I have plenty of personal experience as well as rich secondary (witness) experience, and I will say that anybody who thinks that it is as simple as just deciding to say “no” one day has no real firsthand experience with the topic at hand. It is the same as theorists and pie-in-the-sky “trainers” versus people who have achieved real world results. Addiction to hard drugs (I actually include alcohol in this), is a whole other animal, and I think that the entire subject is more misunderstood than it is understood, at this point.
Foolish? Drugs change brain chemistry. But they don’t prevent you from making a conscious decision. There is no little man pulling the levers for you.
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No, but they can cause you to make really bad decisions, because the drug impared your jugement.