[quote]FightingScott wrote:
Withdraw symptoms heavily influence your decision to keep doing drugs. Heroin withdraw is not just a mental thing. You become physically ill. [/quote]
Agreed. I’ve done good coke and shitty coke, and coming off it was so difficult, so hard, and such a fucking ordeal that the suffering involved far out-weighted any euphoric and ultimately short-lived high.
I have to admit though, the first time I ever truly experienced the power of coke and how unbeliavably awesome it was, I thought about it for 30 days afterwards. For 30 days following the 2nd time I did coke, I thought of nothing but coke. I was able to successfully resist temptation even though it was available to me. I told myself I could do as much as I wanted again, after 30 days was up. By day 31, I no longer had the urge to do coke.
The last time I did coke was before a KRS-ONE concert and it was some really shitty coke. The high sucked and the comedown was godawful. I’ve never done coke since.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
A good bunch of my friends started using marijuana somewhat recently, at first just once in a while, for fun, but it seems to have gotten rather out of hand lately.[/quote]
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
ahzaz wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
hit the gym wrote:
I agree with you there and have read the studies also. From what I understand though, for experienced heroin users, without it you feel extremely depressed. It is impossible to feel happy or even be in a normal state without it. To be happy, you have to use. It is a vicious cycle. That is what is meant by physical addiction. Yes it really fucks your brain up.
Without heroin, you are much worse than depressed. Within 8 hours of your last fix, you start to feel sick, and about 24 hours later, the shakes start, you feel like you have the flu, and by day 2, you hit full-blown withdrawal. That’s when the stomach cramps, chills, puking, crushing headaches, profuse sweating, muscle cramps, shitting the bed (or your pants), panic and non-stop tremors are hitting you full swing.
FYI: Experienced heroin users are called junkies.
I don’t know much about anything, but this made me wonder, why not put someone in a medical coma until the withdrawal symptoms are gone?
Some hospitals will do this, although they usually do a wallet biopsy first, to see if you have insurance or the money to pay for it. Back in the seventies, you just got handcuffed to the bed for 2 days. That’s what re-hab was back then.
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Makes sense, if i was addicted i wouldnt mind being handcuffed to a bed or put in a coma for a few days as long as it made the rest of my life “better.”
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Foolish? Drugs change brain chemistry. But they don’t prevent you from making a conscious decision. There is no little man pulling the levers for you.[/quote]
If this was as simple as you keep insisting, Big Tobacco’s enormous R&D budgets wouldn’t exist. But they do, and it’s safe to assume they know what they’re doing.
There’s something about a speck in someone’s eye and a log in yours… nevermind.
Everyone is different, and things affect people in different ways. As obvious as this statement is, it seems some here don’t understand it well.
Personally I don’t want my government telling me I can’t drink the beer I just had with my chicken breast, nor do I want them making decisions about what’s “best for me” in other fields. Personally I think steroids should probably be legal, as should a number of the current schedule 1 drugs in the US.
'Course, I’ve always been “that guy” with the bible or the gita in my hand, so it makes some sense that I’d be inclined towards things “spiritual”
“when I went to jail my family was nice enough to get me a 30 pack or ramen noodles…after I cheated and lied and stolen thousands of dollars from them for drugs… in 30 days I gained 27 pounds eating jail food and ramen noodles…heroin will mess you up really bad”
loose quote from a 21 year old kid who came to talk about his Drug experience… no thanks
I have had a great time using hard drugs, and have always kept it under control. Once a month for the weaker varieties. Once a year for the strong ones. They are an incredibly good time, and have no detrimental health effects if used responsibly. I would say that is a success story.
The piper gets paid each and every time. Sooner or later, more or less, he will get his. Just be ready to pay more than you might want to, and don’t complain when it is more than you want to.
I did a lot of drugs in my teens/twenties and survived. I knew quite a few who didn’t.
Two years ago, a guy I’ve known for thirty five years died from Fentanyl laced Heroin, two weeks later his son died from the same thing. As far as I know they were both casual users.
With that being said, I know far more people whose lives were fucked up by alcohol.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The piper gets paid each and every time. Sooner or later, more or less, he will get his. Just be ready to pay more than you might want to, and don’t complain when it is more than you want to.[/quote]
A+ post. It applies to everything in life. When you lie on a job interview and end up kicking ass in your field, it’s the chance you take. If I go out and have some fun and feel like crap for the next day or two I don’t complain.
Many friends from my high school and undergraduate years experimented with both heavy and light drugs. Of these, they are now:
A Doctor
A soon-to-be doctor
An Attorney
Engineers
Teachers
A Policeman
Businessmen
A soon-to-be Architect
I would never attribute the successes they’ve had to drugs. On the other hand I know people who were not so successful in life; I wouldn’t attribute their lack of success to drugs either. I’m surprised so many on this thread seem to be doing so. Simplistic answers/rationalizations may work in politics, but it’s not going to much get at the truth. You can use all the absolutisms you want, but making drugs illegal is about as effective as “abstinence only” education. And blaming people’s failures in life solely upon drugs neglects to look upon the obvious complexities of life. Bluntly, it’s absurd.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Many friends from my high school and undergraduate years experimented with both heavy and light drugs. Of these, they are now:
A Doctor
A soon-to-be doctor
An Attorney
Engineers
Teachers
A Policeman
Businessmen
A soon-to-be Architect
I would never attribute the successes they’ve had to drugs. On the other hand I know people who were not so successful in life; I wouldn’t attribute their lack of success to drugs either. I’m surprised so many on this thread seem to be doing so. Simplistic answers/rationalizations may work in politics, but it’s not going to much get at the truth. You can use all the absolutisms you want, but making drugs illegal is about as effective as “abstinence only” education. And blaming people’s failures in life solely upon drugs neglects to look upon the obvious complexities of life. Bluntly, it’s absurd. [/quote]
It’s easier to blame drugs than to blame the actual person. If you had a mother or father who did drugs, it would be easier to hate drugs than your parents for a crappy start in life.
I have seen many people who’s life has been ruined by drugs and alcohol. It was still their choice unless they were tricked. I feel bad for the people who took drugs when they were young and naive. That is a tragedy.
[quote]tootles27 wrote:
It’s easier to blame drugs than to blame the actual person. If you had a mother or father who did drugs, it would be easier to hate drugs than your parents for a crappy start in life.
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I’ll tell you what I told my little brother, “Grow up, stop hating your parents. Realize they’re just people too. You’re the adult now.”
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I have seen many people who’s life has been ruined by drugs and alcohol. It was still their choice unless they were tricked. I feel bad for the people who took drugs when they were young and naive. That is a tragedy. [/quote]
Was it 100% the drugs and alcohol that ruined their lives? I’ve known quite a few ruined lives, and while drugs and alcohol were involved, I cannot honestly place all the blame upon those things. It’d be easy to do, but it wouldn’t be true.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
tootles27 wrote:
It’s easier to blame drugs than to blame the actual person. If you had a mother or father who did drugs, it would be easier to hate drugs than your parents for a crappy start in life.
I’ll tell you what I told my little brother, “Grow up, stop hating your parents. Realize they’re just people too. You’re the adult now.”
I have seen many people who’s life has been ruined by drugs and alcohol. It was still their choice unless they were tricked. I feel bad for the people who took drugs when they were young and naive. That is a tragedy.
Was it 100% the drugs and alcohol that ruined their lives? I’ve known quite a few ruined lives, and while drugs and alcohol were involved, I cannot honestly place all the blame upon those things. It’d be easy to do, but it wouldn’t be true. [/quote]
Oh, I’m with you. Sometimes people don’t realize that their parents are “just people too” until they are parents themselves. I guess I should have been clearer in my earlier post. I didn’t mean that drugs and alcohol was the direct cause. They thought it was easier to “escape” their problems rather than deal with them in the first place.