Thanks for your time, Bill Roberts.
Glad to be of whatever help it was!
Though quite possibly for physical therapy, there might be no way to go about it but to take that exact program. Dunno.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
There is I expect money in bachelor’s degree recipients being knowledgeable and competent in cardiopulmonary rehabilitation, but maybe no money to be had for bachelor’s degree holders who don’t have in-demand skills such as that but rather had their educations focused on, for example, the subjects of your interest.
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Trying to get a 9-5 with just an exercise science degree sucks. You get to watch people (hopefully) not die on treadmills all day. If you’re lucky, you might watch a few dozen concurrent EKG monitors and call someone if you see an irregularity.
A graduate degree is pretty much required to get a respectable/enjoyable job unless you plan to do personal training, which some folks enjoy.
Whenever you really start to know something about a subject you will start to notice how full of shit most people really are.
The most infuriating thing is if you actually know and understand were they are coming from better than they are because they have never questioned their premises and just KNOW.
Fuck him and the horse he rode in on, absolutely nail the test and then go on and preach how it really works.
The good thing is that in the private industry all that matters long term is results and he is just destroying your future competition.
They will need years to unlearn that shit.
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
There is I expect money in bachelor’s degree recipients being knowledgeable and competent in cardiopulmonary rehabilitation, but maybe no money to be had for bachelor’s degree holders who don’t have in-demand skills such as that but rather had their educations focused on, for example, the subjects of your interest.
Trying to get a 9-5 with just an exercise science degree sucks. You get to watch people (hopefully) not die on treadmills all day. If you’re lucky, you might watch a few dozen concurrent EKG monitors and call someone if you see an irregularity.
A graduate degree is pretty much required to get a respectable/enjoyable job unless you plan to do personal training, which some folks enjoy.[/quote]
I did know a couple of guys who had gotten Master’s degrees and did get decent and interesting sounding professional hospital jobs in cardiopulmonary rehabilitation. I should have qualified my post as you did that it might be the case, and now we know from what you say, is the case that to do actually well with it requires or usually requires a graduate degree.
A failure in communication on my part: I was mostly trying to convey that the interesting topics discussed would probably have no career value at all for bachelor’s degree holders, and thus, there is some degree of rhyme and reason for the undergraduate programs not being in that sort of direction.
[quote]nowakc wrote:
Nurses and doctors often get taught worse. I have had some big arguments with a friend of mine (a nurse) about protein supplementation - she’s one of the people who think that all protein supplements are worthless and that it will immediately go to fat because her profs told her that.
She kept telling me that when I see fat people in the gym it was because of excess protein supps. I tried to tell her that not everyone goes to the gym to get super skinny, but she would not listen.
But yeah, if you know what works and stick with it, you’ll end up being successful. Kind of annoying that you have to listen to the bullshit now though.[/quote]
I use Double cheeseburgers and milkshakes as protein supplements, so she is kinda right in that one instance.
You must have a shitty teacher because the physiology and exercise physiology teachers at my school are pretty damn smart.
[quote]dreads989 wrote:
4) Bodybuilders look strong, but are weak.
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Yeah… that’s a stupid thing to say. Did they say it exactly like that?
Powerlifters not watching what they eat and not caring about what they look like is a general axiom that I think holds true from what I have seen.
It isn’t…
This isn’t true since when? Isn’t another general axiom that a person will eventually reach a weight that they have an extremely hard time getting past without the use of certain drugs? Does it not make sense that a persons body is only made to be so big?
Read your question, and then read the answer that was giving to you again. You asked, will it produce hypertrophy “JUST LIKE”. Why would it produce hypertrophy “JUST LIKE” when it is different? Wouldn’t doing different things lead to different results?
You should be psyched; if you really know your shit and other people in your graduating class (who will be competing with you for jobs soon) are being mislead, then you should have no problem getting better results than them in the future.
Interesting thread, though, to be honest, I tend to lump posts like these into the same category as I do the “My Doc is an Idiot” ones.
Sorry, but it’s just so hard for me to believe that there are so many people out there encountering idiots with PhDs/MDs who, somehow, know NOTHING/comically little about the subjects of their supposed expertise… and then finding their way to T-Nation to complain and celebrate how much smarter we all are than the professionals with the diplomas.
It’s very curious, is all. Then again, maybe I am biased, having an excellent doctor to go to and a (seemingly) very knowledgeable faculty at my disposal here at college (even the moldy oldie professors are up-to-date on the crap they put on the blackboard) .
I would bet the OP is either exaggerrating or simply wasn’t paying attention as well as he thought he was during class and misheard a thing or thirteen.
Maybe people just don’t know as much as they think they do because they read a few articles over the net. I mean, you never see people whining about how their Immunology professors know jack shit about white blood cells… why are subjects like this always so misrepresented in the classroom?
edit: FWIW, my university also (so I hear) has killer EP/PT programs (actually, all the health programs are said to be excellent), and it costs a lot less to go here than wherever the hell you are (and, based upon my experiences in a health-related field thus far, everything is top notch)… maybe you (and everyone else chiming in about their shoddy educations) should do a little more research on things you will be spending tens of thousands/100k+ on to avoid having to make posts like these in the first place.
Or, if you already know everything and are just going there for the slip of paper to frame and hang behind your desk, just play the fucking game and do whatever you want when you get out.
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
dreads989 wrote:
4) Bodybuilders look strong, but are weak.
Yeah… that’s a stupid thing to say. Did they say it exactly like that?
Yes. T
- Powerlifters are soft/fat, but are strong.
Powerlifters not watching what they eat and not caring about what they look like is a general axiom that I think holds true from what I have seen.
- Lifting weights is not an adequate means of cardio
It isn’t…
That was her generalization of saying that it WILL NOT improve the cardiovascular system.
- Once you have been weightlifting for an extended period of time, you WILL reach your genetic potential, so progress should be extremely minimal, if any.
This isn’t true since when? Isn’t another general axiom that a person will eventually reach a weight that they have an extremely hard time getting past without the use of certain drugs? Does it not make sense that a persons body is only made to be so big?
No, it doesn’t. That’s why it’s up here lol.
- When I asked if 10x3 would illicit hypertrophy just like 3x10, I was told “no, it would not, as you have to train with a 3RM for that. Do you understand?”
Read your question, and then read the answer that was giving to you again. You asked, will it produce hypertrophy “JUST LIKE”. Why would it produce hypertrophy “JUST LIKE” when it is different? Wouldn’t doing different things lead to different results?
I asked if it would illicit hypertrophy as the basic premise. I agree that it won’t be JUST LIKE 3x10, but still, the fact she went on to say that studies are mixed and you ultimately won’t get hypertrophy from doing 10x3 leaves me dismayed.
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[quote]anonym wrote:
Interesting thread, though, to be honest, I tend to lump posts like these into the same category as I do the “My Doc is an Idiot” ones.
Sorry, but it’s just so hard for me to believe that there are so many people out there encountering idiots with PhDs/MDs who, somehow, know NOTHING/comically little about the subjects of their supposed expertise… and then finding their way to T-Nation to complain and celebrate how much smarter we all are than the professionals with the diplomas.
It’s very curious, is all. Then again, maybe I am biased, having an excellent doctor to go to and a (seemingly) very knowledgeable faculty at my disposal here at college (even the moldy oldie professors are up-to-date on the crap they put on the blackboard) .
I would bet the OP is either exaggerrating or simply wasn’t paying attention as well as he thought he was during class and misheard a thing or thirteen.
Maybe people just don’t know as much as they think they do because they read a few articles over the net. I mean, you never see people whining about how their Immunology professors know jack shit about white blood cells… why are subjects like this always so misrepresented in the classroom?
edit: FWIW, my university also (so I hear) has killer EP/PT programs (actually, all the health programs are said to be excellent), and it costs a lot less to go here than wherever the hell you are (and, based upon my experiences in a health-related field thus far, everything is top notch)… maybe you (and everyone else chiming in about their shoddy educations) should do a little more research on things you will be spending tens of thousands/100k+ on to avoid having to make posts like these in the first place.
Or, if you already know everything and are just going there for the slip of paper to frame and hang behind your desk, just play the fucking game and do whatever you want when you get out.[/quote]
I’m sorry that this post pissed you off. Rest assured that when comparing colleges I was accepted to, this college was near the top in terms of education for Physical Therapy. The fact that this is one of the foundations for their DPT program astounds me. How could I have known that one of the best programs in the country would be like this?
I would love to say that I’m exaggerating, but I am taking this from her notes. This is frustrating man. I’m ultimately going to just parrot her for the time being and get that slip of paper, but wouldn’t you feel depressed if you had to do this?
In my personal training course, we were taught lots of bullshit also, examples:
A diet should be based off the food pyramid, and the breakdowns should be: 75% carbs, 10% fats, 15% protein…
You shouldn’t train abs with weights, just bodyweight, otherwise you will get a bulky protruding mid-section.
Higher reps (15+) should be used when you want to ‘tone up’.
It was just a fucking abysmal course. If I ever want to be a PT now, I’d compete in a BB show first.
[quote]dreads989 wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
dreads989 wrote:
4) Bodybuilders look strong, but are weak.
Yeah… that’s a stupid thing to say. Did they say it exactly like that?
Yes. T
- Powerlifters are soft/fat, but are strong.
Powerlifters not watching what they eat and not caring about what they look like is a general axiom that I think holds true from what I have seen.
- Lifting weights is not an adequate means of cardio
It isn’t…
That was her generalization of saying that it WILL NOT improve the cardiovascular system.
- Once you have been weightlifting for an extended period of time, you WILL reach your genetic potential, so progress should be extremely minimal, if any.
This isn’t true since when? Isn’t another general axiom that a person will eventually reach a weight that they have an extremely hard time getting past without the use of certain drugs? Does it not make sense that a persons body is only made to be so big?
No, it doesn’t. That’s why it’s up here lol.
- When I asked if 10x3 would illicit hypertrophy just like 3x10, I was told “no, it would not, as you have to train with a 3RM for that. Do you understand?”
Read your question, and then read the answer that was giving to you again. You asked, will it produce hypertrophy “JUST LIKE”. Why would it produce hypertrophy “JUST LIKE” when it is different? Wouldn’t doing different things lead to different results?
I asked if it would illicit hypertrophy as the basic premise. I agree that it won’t be JUST LIKE 3x10, but still, the fact she went on to say that studies are mixed and you ultimately won’t get hypertrophy from doing 10x3 leaves me dismayed.
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Wow… if she actually thinks that you don’t get any cardio training when you lift weights then she has obviously never done a real intense workout. Currently I am using only 60sec rest between sets and I’ll tell you…
Lol, not to mention how much something like lunges totally crushes most people’s cardio system. Has she ever heard of a lunge?
However… I do have a possible answer for what is going on here in her head and in the coarse you are taking. It seems like she is using a lot of generalizations… for normal people or something…
For instance, saying that you don’t get any cardio training from lifting weights. When I watch the average person workout in my gym most people are not working out that hard with the weights. Probably not hard enough to get any cardio beniftit. I guess what I am saying is what she is talking about probably doesn’t necessarily apply to bodybuilders or people who just push themselves more than normal people (since you will probably train average people who don’t enjoy the pain and suffering of pushing themselves).
Of coarse… even with the slim chance that I am right about what she is thinking it still isn’t an excuse to give misinformation. As if pushing yourself near your limit with 3x10 won’t produce any results.
I still disagree with you on genetic potential. It just makes so much sense to me that if your actual skeleton is X big why would your body allow your muscles to grow severely out of proportion to the rest of you. I’m not saying that you can’t get huge. But I imagine in my head that there has to be some kind of limit there; or a more basic question: how can a person just keep growing forever? (eerrrr… counting that a person lives forever?)
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
dreads989 wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
dreads989 wrote:
4) Bodybuilders look strong, but are weak.
Yeah… that’s a stupid thing to say. Did they say it exactly like that?
Yes. T
- Powerlifters are soft/fat, but are strong.
Powerlifters not watching what they eat and not caring about what they look like is a general axiom that I think holds true from what I have seen.
- Lifting weights is not an adequate means of cardio
It isn’t…
That was her generalization of saying that it WILL NOT improve the cardiovascular system.
- Once you have been weightlifting for an extended period of time, you WILL reach your genetic potential, so progress should be extremely minimal, if any.
This isn’t true since when? Isn’t another general axiom that a person will eventually reach a weight that they have an extremely hard time getting past without the use of certain drugs? Does it not make sense that a persons body is only made to be so big?
No, it doesn’t. That’s why it’s up here lol.
- When I asked if 10x3 would illicit hypertrophy just like 3x10, I was told “no, it would not, as you have to train with a 3RM for that. Do you understand?”
Read your question, and then read the answer that was giving to you again. You asked, will it produce hypertrophy “JUST LIKE”. Why would it produce hypertrophy “JUST LIKE” when it is different? Wouldn’t doing different things lead to different results?
I asked if it would illicit hypertrophy as the basic premise. I agree that it won’t be JUST LIKE 3x10, but still, the fact she went on to say that studies are mixed and you ultimately won’t get hypertrophy from doing 10x3 leaves me dismayed.
Wow… if she actually thinks that you don’t get any cardio training when you lift weights then she has obviously never done a real intense workout. Currently I am using only 60sec rest between sets and I’ll tell you…
Lol, not to mention how much something like lunges totally crushes most people’s cardio system. Has she ever heard of a lunge?
However... I do have a possible answer for what is going on here in her head and in the coarse you are taking. It seems like she is using a lot of generalizations.. for normal people or something...
For instance, saying that you don’t get any cardio training from lifting weights. When I watch the average person workout in my gym most people are not working out that hard with the weights. Probably not hard enough to get any cardio beniftit.
I guess what I am saying is what she is talking about probably doesn’t necessarily apply to bodybuilders or people who just push themselves more than normal people (since you will probably train average people who don’t enjoy the pain and suffering of pushing themselves).
Of coarse… even with the slim chance that I am right about what she is thinking it still isn’t an excuse to give misinformation. As if pushing yourself near your limit with 3x10 won’t produce any results.
I still disagree with you on genetic potential. It just makes so much sense to me that if your actual skeleton is X big why would your body allow your muscles to grow severely out of proportion to the rest of you.
I’m not saying that you can’t get huge. But I imagine in my head that there has to be some kind of limit there; or a more basic question: how can a person just keep growing forever? (eerrrr… counting that a person lives forever?)
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Oh I agree with all you’ve said so far. I should have mentioned the context she presented genetic potential in was that after a couple years, strength gains are almost non-existant. I believe there may be a genetic limit (although rarely will people fully maximize this), but to tell a class that after a couple years they should expect little to no progress from weight training just seems…not insulting, but not encouraging either.
I understand that they are harder to come by, and that one must have to work hard/eat more/be dedicated to increase strength gains, but in the context she gave it, it sounded to me more like, “Why try? You’re just going to hit a wall”.