I know I should put this on the article discussion board put it wont let me post and its really about one part of the article.
I was wondering whether anyone else has experienced sudden gains after periods of stagnation. I dont know of any scientific reason for a sudden gain and was thinking maybe it had something to do with training and nutrition working in perfect symbiosis for a period of time as opposed to hit and miss which I am certainly guilty of. Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
Well I’m sorry you feel this way but I’m assuming quite a lot of people give a shit about science on this site. I know muscle gain isnt linear because I wrote that down. I was just asking whether anyone had insight into the physiological reasons for this (Non-linear muscle gain) as I actually find it quite interesting. Didnt mean to offend.
The thing about ‘scientific studies’ is: have any of these studies ever been done on you?
I’ve read many posts saying that the average male can only gain 1lb of muscle every 2 weeks, well… since I stopped listening to that crap, and ate tons of food, I’ve gained at least 12lbs (20lb total gain) of lean mass in 6 weeks. I guess my genetics are better than I thought (ha).
I also didn’t gain an ounce for 3 weeks, then the next day I was up 5lbs.
[quote]Dajvejive wrote:
Well I’m sorry you feel this way but I’m assuming quite a lot of people give a shit about science on this site. I know muscle gain isnt linear because I wrote that down. I was just asking whether anyone had insight into the physiological reasons for this (Non-linear muscle gain) as I actually find it quite interesting. Didnt mean to offend.
DJ
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Fact: Science does not have the entire human body figured out as far as its inner workings
Fact: Scientific studies should ONLY be considered within the context of specifically what was studied and the specific variables involved.
Fact: Many personal training authors love to blur the lines between true fact and idealized theory so that they can make it seem as if their brand new program is state of the art scientific fact in action.
Gains are non-linear and there are too many variables involved from hormonal fluctuations to random minor infection to overall daily stress levels to try and pin point specifically why you gain more in one given period of time and not another.
There is no way you can narrow this down to one or two variables and claim that is why it happens.
Science does not know specifically why your personal body grows more one week and not another and even if it did, the answer would be too complex for you to control anyway.
If you are really looking for a scientific answer, the best one that you are going to get is that it probably has something to do with cumulative stressors and your body’s adaptational reserves.
After a period[s] of stress, your body’s immune system can mobilize hormones, enzymes, substrates, etc. to force adaptations in attempts to survive the stressors. Selye’s GAS model of Alarm, Resistance, and Exhaustion pertains to this.
Also, Stanford neuroendocrinologist Robert Sapolsky has an excellent book about this called Why Zebras don’t get Ulcers.
Also, if you are researching this in attempts to coordinate one of these “perfect symbiosis” spurts yourself, don’t.
As the good Prof. pointed out, your body is far too complicated to attempt to influence these homeostatic control mechanisms and you will probably end up doing more harm than good.
Science does not know specifically why your personal body grows more one week and not another and even if it did, the answer would be too complex for you to control anyway.[/quote]
Thanks for the replies. I know nothing is black and white and there are always various contributing factors. Guess i chose the wrong topic for my first thread! attention now away from this one…!
DJ
Science isn’t religion. Science is a METHOD of studying the world around us. Science will never be absolutely right because it’s a METHOD, it will always be changing its theories. Just remember that.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
The thing about ‘scientific studies’ is: have any of these studies ever been done on you?
I’ve read many posts saying that the average male can only gain 1lb of muscle every 2 weeks, well… since I stopped listening to that crap, and ate tons of food, I’ve gained at least 12lbs (20lb total gain) of lean mass in 6 weeks. I guess my genetics are better than I thought (ha).
I also didn’t gain an ounce for 3 weeks, then the next day I was up 5lbs.
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I’ve heard that same thing but thought about it before. When they say 1lb of muscle do they mean literally 1 lb of lbm? Or 1 lb total bw? Because if you gain 1 lb lbm, will you not also gain weight as that newly added muscle takes on water, fat gain associated with it etc leading to >1lb/week total weight gain?
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Science isn’t religion. Science is a METHOD of studying the world around us. Science will never be absolutely right because it’s a METHOD, it will always be changing its theories. Just remember that.[/quote]
Except when theory is put into law, you know, like gravity. X’s point still stands regardless. Were science able to explain the phenomenon of what was actually occuring in our physiology during the process of building muscle, it would most likely be so complicated that the information may not even be all that useful.
lol surprise bulk
AAAAH I just woke up and I was all muscle-bound and bulked up I don’t know what the fuck happened. Someone must have slipped steroids in my drink at that party.
[quote]Da Vinci wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
Science isn’t religion. Science is a METHOD of studying the world around us. Science will never be absolutely right because it’s a METHOD, it will always be changing its theories. Just remember that.
Except when theory is put into law, you know, like gravity.
X’s point still stands regardless. Were science able to explain the phenomenon of what was actually occuring in our physiology during the process of building muscle, it would most likely be so complicated that the information may not even be all that useful.
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Which only holds at non-quantum scales. Nothing in science is absolute for every condition, just repeatable under a given set of conditions.
Which is useless information huh? You’re right, why would you ever want to know the outcome of a preknown scenario which is repeatable? lol give me a break. When did I ever say science was absolute under all conditions? I think you just wanted to flash your knowledge about non-quantum scales, well done.
The issue I was getting at is that even the most solid scientific laws don’t always apply, and given the number of variables present in individual physiology, reliance on scientific laws will always be questionable at best. I was actually agreeing with you, I just wasn’t as clear as I could have been.
[quote]Artem wrote:
lol surprise bulk
AAAAH I just woke up and I was all muscle-bound and bulked up I don’t know what the fuck happened. Someone must have slipped steroids in my drink at that party.[/quote]
