[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Football definitely gives you an amazing base for future training endeavors. [/quote]
Does that mean you basically approve of guys at my sort of level trying to get stronger via a 5/3/1 template but doing plenty of bodybuilding style assistance ? (since I’d likely have 0 arm size etc. otherwise) I seem to get the impression you possibly do? This is something Shelby Starnes has mentioned too something along the lines of “until a trainee can 275 bench, 350+ squat and 400+ deadlift he shouldn’t start a pure bodybuilding routine” or whatever…
I have always felt “particularly for natural guys” gaining a high level of base strength and “cns effeciency” or whatever has to be beneficial in the long run. But at the same time not training bodyparts for long periods is suicide for those who want to compete in bodybuilding, so that isn’t an option.
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Not the greatest pic, but I figured I’d post anyways.
Weighing around 220 post workout nowadays. [/quote]
old spice AND delts … oh happy day
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Football definitely gives you an amazing base for future training endeavors. [/quote]
Does that mean you basically approve of guys at my sort of level trying to get stronger via a 5/3/1 template but doing plenty of bodybuilding style assistance ? (since I’d likely have 0 arm size etc. otherwise) I seem to get the impression you possibly do? This is something Shelby Starnes has mentioned too something along the lines of “until a trainee can 275 bench, 350+ squat and 400+ deadlift he shouldn’t start a pure bodybuilding routine” or whatever…
I have always felt “particularly for natural guys” gaining a high level of base strength and “cns effeciency” or whatever has to be beneficial in the long run. But at the same time not training bodyparts for long periods is suicide for those who want to compete in bodybuilding, so that isn’t an option.
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I am a big advocate for building a base prior to engaging in ‘pure bodybuilding training’ (if such a thing exists). What I mean is that before you start really trying to target specific bodyparts, it’s probably best that you’ve gotten big and strong enough to even become able to care about bringing up specific parts. Did that make sense? Simply put, if you are not strong and small, focusing on isolation exercises and smaller bodyparts isn’t going to yield the best results early on.
I think Shelby has it right…there are certain levels of strength one ought to get to before they engage in bodybuilding training, but they are individual IMO. I don’t think we can apply a specific standard to all trainees, but rather, I think that the trainee should do some self-examination and determine for his or herself if their training is intense enough and they are making enough progress to add in some more bodybuilding type work.
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Football definitely gives you an amazing base for future training endeavors. [/quote]
Does that mean you basically approve of guys at my sort of level trying to get stronger via a 5/3/1 template but doing plenty of bodybuilding style assistance ? (since I’d likely have 0 arm size etc. otherwise) I seem to get the impression you possibly do? This is something Shelby Starnes has mentioned too something along the lines of “until a trainee can 275 bench, 350+ squat and 400+ deadlift he shouldn’t start a pure bodybuilding routine” or whatever…
I have always felt “particularly for natural guys” gaining a high level of base strength and “cns effeciency” or whatever has to be beneficial in the long run. But at the same time not training bodyparts for long periods is suicide for those who want to compete in bodybuilding, so that isn’t an option.
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I am a big advocate for building a base prior to engaging in ‘pure bodybuilding training’ (if such a thing exists). What I mean is that before you start really trying to target specific bodyparts, it’s probably best that you’ve gotten big and strong enough to even become able to care about bringing up specific parts. Did that make sense? Simply put, if you are not strong and small, focusing on isolation exercises and smaller bodyparts isn’t going to yield the best results early on.
I think Shelby has it right…there are certain levels of strength one ought to get to before they engage in bodybuilding training, but they are individual IMO. I don’t think we can apply a specific standard to all trainees, but rather, I think that the trainee should do some self-examination and determine for his or herself if their training is intense enough and they are making enough progress to add in some more bodybuilding type work. [/quote]
very solid point
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Football definitely gives you an amazing base for future training endeavors. [/quote]
Does that mean you basically approve of guys at my sort of level trying to get stronger via a 5/3/1 template but doing plenty of bodybuilding style assistance ? (since I’d likely have 0 arm size etc. otherwise) I seem to get the impression you possibly do? This is something Shelby Starnes has mentioned too something along the lines of “until a trainee can 275 bench, 350+ squat and 400+ deadlift he shouldn’t start a pure bodybuilding routine” or whatever…
I have always felt “particularly for natural guys” gaining a high level of base strength and “cns effeciency” or whatever has to be beneficial in the long run. But at the same time not training bodyparts for long periods is suicide for those who want to compete in bodybuilding, so that isn’t an option.
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I am a big advocate for building a base prior to engaging in ‘pure bodybuilding training’ (if such a thing exists). What I mean is that before you start really trying to target specific bodyparts, it’s probably best that you’ve gotten big and strong enough to even become able to care about bringing up specific parts. Did that make sense? Simply put, if you are not strong and small, focusing on isolation exercises and smaller bodyparts isn’t going to yield the best results early on.
I think Shelby has it right…there are certain levels of strength one ought to get to before they engage in bodybuilding training, but they are individual IMO. I don’t think we can apply a specific standard to all trainees, but rather, I think that the trainee should do some self-examination and determine for his or herself if their training is intense enough and they are making enough progress to add in some more bodybuilding type work. [/quote]
Thanks for that, I was starting to gather your opinion was something like this. I definitely understand what your saying re the self-examination. In my instance I think I know full well I can still gain strength relatively “easily” across the board yet so I am trying to programme with that in mind. It has to depend on the individual for sure, but I like his marker of 275 bench (cant remember the rest) as that really does bare everyone in mind… where some would simply say “dont bodybuild until you can bench 400 hundy”.
So here’s to getting much stronger. A few personal goals I’d like to reach whilst keeping gaining strength as a main goal are: 400+ squat, 500+ dead and 125kg/275lb bench.
Amazing back session. I think I really figured out the perfect mix of ‘normal’ tempo and controlled tempos to really crush my body. Pulldowns were a perfect first exercise, felt like someone was stabbing me in the lats when I was done. I haven’t done bentover rows in a while, but they felt great. 365 wasn’t sloppy, and I felt it a ton in my back.
DY HS Rows were amazing, and DY deads were great.
I’ve never done the DY Deads before as my main deadlift movement, but I got an insane pump in my erectors/upper back from the tempo set with 500 and the high rep 315 set.
Elliptical Intervals
24 minutes intervals (1 min hard/1 min easy to 2 min hard/2 min easy to 3 min hard/2 min easy, go back down)
6 minutes SS
Just some off day cardio…nothing crazy. Arms tomorrow.
Here’s a pic I snapped from today…still holding leanness at 217-220 : ).
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zyzz style
seriously though, to me that is a super motivating post, to think it may be possible to be that sort of weight (since we’re basically the same height: I’m 5ft 10) and still that lean. Definitely will feel great. I’ll take it a bit at a time though, first of all, hit 200 morning weight…
Elliptical Intervals
24 minutes intervals (1 min hard/1 min easy to 2 min hard/2 min easy to 3 min hard/2 min easy, go back down)
6 minutes SS
Just some off day cardio…nothing crazy. Arms tomorrow.
Here’s a pic I snapped from today…still holding leanness at 217-220 : ).
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zyzz style
seriously though, to me that is a super motivating post, to think it may be possible to be that sort of weight (since we’re basically the same height: I’m 5ft 10) and still that lean. Definitely will feel great. I’ll take it a bit at a time though, first of all, hit 200 morning weight… [/quote]
Haha, appreciate it. It’s a slow progression man…especially as a natural. You just have to keep putting in the work.
Elliptical Intervals
24 minutes intervals (1 min hard/1 min easy to 2 min hard/2 min easy to 3 min hard/2 min easy, go back down)
6 minutes SS
Just some off day cardio…nothing crazy. Arms tomorrow.
Here’s a pic I snapped from today…still holding leanness at 217-220 : ).
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zyzz style
seriously though, to me that is a super motivating post, to think it may be possible to be that sort of weight (since we’re basically the same height: I’m 5ft 10) and still that lean. Definitely will feel great. I’ll take it a bit at a time though, first of all, hit 200 morning weight… [/quote]
Haha, appreciate it. It’s a slow progression man…especially as a natural. You just have to keep putting in the work. [/quote]
I will do man. I’ve definitely accepted its a gradual game for individuals like myself… as long as I make big year-to-year improvements my day of being something will come… still 20 for over 5 months yet after all…
EZ Bar Drag Curls (normal sized bar)
1 pause, 2 negative
20 x 12
50 x 10
70 x 10
100 x 10
120 x 8
(2-1-2)
70 x 12
Smith Reverse Grip Press
Normal tempo
135 x 8
225 x 8
275 x 10
315 x 6 to 225 (2-1-2) x 12
185 x 15
(DAMN)
Cross Bodies (3-1-2)
35 x 12 LR
30 x 18 LR
Standing EZ French Press (2-1-2)
30 + bar x 18
20 + bar x 22
Facing-Away Single Arm Cable Curl (2-1-2)
‘4’ x 12 LR
‘2’ x 18 LR
Rope Pushdown (1 work set, 2-1-2) 30 rest to OH rope ext (1 work set, 2-1-2) 30 rest to Rope Pushdown (normal tempo)
15/18/25
Single Arm Reverse Cable Curl
1 work set to failure (12 LR)
Amazing overall arm session despite getting a late start and not having my usual training partner. The drag curls absolutely crushed my biceps off the bat, and it only got better from there.
Reverse grip smith was amazing today…315 x 6 with potentially more in the tank, but didn’t want to risk crushing myself without a spotter. I got such a triceps pump from the mixture of heavy/tempo on this exercise that I had to take a minute break to stretch before cross bodies!
Pump was insane, strength is going up, life is good. With finals coming up, having these killer sessions really helps me get through it.
