[quote]lixy wrote:
token wrote:
There are some rascists that won’t allow their daughters to have native Swedish boyfriends and such,
Native? As in Sami?
More seriously, there are also some racists who won’t allow their daughters to have Muslim boyfriends.[/quote]
How many times do I have to tell you? Muslims are not a race. Just because people don’t want their daughters dating muslims it doesn’t mean they are racists. Good parenting would be a much more accurate description.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
Gutted about the BNP getting two seats. How can there be hundreds of thousands of racist climate change denialists in this country? Shameful. And also just as shameful are the people who didn’t go out and vote and let this happen.
I voted Lib Dems in England. Very nearly voted Greens but found out they don’t support nuclear energy in the nic of time. Then afterwards found out they are anti science nut jobs and am incredibly glad I didn’t vote for them!
What’s wrong with the BNP?
The biggest problem is they aren’t controlled wealthy corporations. Because one has to be willing to withstand a lot of abuse, endanger themselves and have the courage to stand by their convictions in order to be a supporter it is not a party where one finds the typical slimy sellout of a career politician that we are all so familiar with. Long story short, they are a threat to the status quo.
They appear to be pissed because the NHS has fired British docs and replaced them with docs from 3rd world countries; and the NHS hiring illegal aliens to clean the hospitals, resulting in filthy hospitals that cause patient deaths.
Thanks to all the third world staff British hospitals are now providing a level of care that you would expect in the third world. Additionally the NHS is running a budget deficit that is 7 times the budget for foreign aid to countries like China, India, Pakistan. Countries which have booming economies and/or money to spend on space programs, nuclear weapons programs, buying up all the industrial infrastructure from defunct British industries like Rover or the Tyneside shipyards which at one time built over two thirds of all the ships on the high seas.
Then there is the issue of British soldiers wounded in Iraq or afghanistan who have tubes going in and out of their bodies, limbs missing, etc… who are completely at the mercy of this NHS staff many of whom are muslim.
They also don’t want to be awakened in the morning by someone squalling over a PA system that its time for morning prayers.
That bullshit is infuriating. Especially when it is on my day off when I finally get a chance to catch up on sleep. Or the evening one waking me when I have gone to bed early because I have to wake up really early when it is really important that I get to work on time that day and I’m sharp and ready to handle my business.
It is a way to drive people out of an area and impose their culture. Besides it’s not about prayer what it really was intended for is to be a headcount 5 times a day, just like they do in prison, it is how they keep people from escaping.
Those things seem quite reasonable to me.
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You know what, it is almost as annoying as those damned church bells I used to have to listen to as a kid. How inconsiderate, anyway, it’s not about prayer, it is really intended to be a headcount every Sunday and a chance for the Establishment to continue their indoctrination program. (sarcasm over)
You really are a hateful biggoted racist aren’t you?
[quote]token wrote:
Sifu, just say google it… guardianista: "Derogaratory.
an insult used by right wing commentators to describe middle class left/liberals and there perceived liberal agenda. " So, you were simply insulting that otehr guy? …
Communism is about forced equallity, nazi is about white power shit, how is this the same?[/quote]
Yes he was trying to insult me. And failing. The only part of the Guardian I ever read is their football email (because it is pretty funny.) The rest of the paper is badly written junk. I hate Tony Blair and voted against his party at every election. I am actually a lifetime Tory voter (though these days find plenty to dislike about them.) I am however by the original definition of the word a liberal, and proud of it.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
Gutted about the BNP getting two seats. How can there be hundreds of thousands of racist climate change denialists in this country? Shameful. And also just as shameful are the people who didn’t go out and vote and let this happen.
I voted Lib Dems in England. Very nearly voted Greens but found out they don’t support nuclear energy in the nic of time. Then afterwards found out they are anti science nut jobs and am incredibly glad I didn’t vote for them!
What’s wrong with the BNP?
The biggest problem is they aren’t controlled wealthy corporations. Because one has to be willing to withstand a lot of abuse, endanger themselves and have the courage to stand by their convictions in order to be a supporter it is not a party where one finds the typical slimy sellout of a career politician that we are all so familiar with. Long story short, they are a threat to the status quo.
They appear to be pissed because the NHS has fired British docs and replaced them with docs from 3rd world countries; and the NHS hiring illegal aliens to clean the hospitals, resulting in filthy hospitals that cause patient deaths.
Thanks to all the third world staff British hospitals are now providing a level of care that you would expect in the third world. Additionally the NHS is running a budget deficit that is 7 times the budget for foreign aid to countries like China, India, Pakistan. Countries which have booming economies and/or money to spend on space programs, nuclear weapons programs, buying up all the industrial infrastructure from defunct British industries like Rover or the Tyneside shipyards which at one time built over two thirds of all the ships on the high seas.
Then there is the issue of British soldiers wounded in Iraq or afghanistan who have tubes going in and out of their bodies, limbs missing, etc… who are completely at the mercy of this NHS staff many of whom are muslim.
They also don’t want to be awakened in the morning by someone squalling over a PA system that its time for morning prayers.
That bullshit is infuriating. Especially when it is on my day off when I finally get a chance to catch up on sleep. Or the evening one waking me when I have gone to bed early because I have to wake up really early when it is really important that I get to work on time that day and I’m sharp and ready to handle my business.
It is a way to drive people out of an area and impose their culture. Besides it’s not about prayer what it really was intended for is to be a headcount 5 times a day, just like they do in prison, it is how they keep people from escaping.
Those things seem quite reasonable to me.
You know what, it is almost as annoying as those damned church bells I used to have to listen to as a kid. How inconsiderate, anyway, it’s not about prayer, it is really intended to be a headcount every Sunday and a chance for the Establishment to continue their indoctrination program. (sarcasm over)
You really are a hateful biggoted racist aren’t you?[/quote]
you know better than to poke the troll.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
Gutted about the BNP getting two seats. How can there be hundreds of thousands of racist climate change denialists in this country? Shameful. And also just as shameful are the people who didn’t go out and vote and let this happen.
I voted Lib Dems in England. Very nearly voted Greens but found out they don’t support nuclear energy in the nic of time. Then afterwards found out they are anti science nut jobs and am incredibly glad I didn’t vote for them!
You actually believe that propaganda about the BNP? How shameful. [/quote]
When it comes to the BNP the MSM are like monkeys flinging poo around their cage at the zoo. It is amazing just how oblivious people are to the fact that the the only thing the MSM ever do is fling poo. What the MSM and other political parties never do is engage the BNP on issues of policy.
At this last election all the other parties could say is don’t vote for the BNP because they are racists so vote for us to stop the BNP. What they never said is vote for us because this is what we are going to do. They had nothing to offer but more of the same that is why they focus so much on dirt.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
token wrote:
But seriously…
I have muslims in my family, that are not trying to take over our country.
There are some rascists that won’t allow their daughters to have native Swedish boyfriends and such, i don’t know how many % those are, but having met many muslims through school, military service, work and private, i don’t think there are many of them.
I’ve lived in a comunity that was overrun by muslims. They really kept apart from anyone who wasn’t a member of the cult and didn’t bring a pleasant vibe.
With Muslim women having 3-4 times as many babies as Swedish women they don’t all need to be consciously trying to take over. That high birth rate and unrestricted immigration is going to shift demographics in their favor. When that happens the liberal social values of the Swedish people will be vulnerable to being swept away and replaced with islamic values.
Another important point that you need to really think about is this. If the only terms that you can understand Muslim parents not wanting their daughters to date Swedish men is in terms of racism then you are woefully lacking in the correct perspective to understand muslim prejudice. Islam is not a racial classification it is an ideology.
Sifu, what do you think of this:
Some Swedish old retired people move to a region of Spain, don’t remember which part, they keep to themsleves and mainly speak Swedish. They probably move becaurse of the weather. Are they colonizing?
A bunch of Swedish retirees setting up a retirement colony in Spain is not quite the same as what muslims are doing in Europe. Retirees aren’t going to multiply their numbers through reproduction and old age will help to thin the herd. So they aren’t going to keep invading new areas and drive the Spaniards out. [/quote]
I take it you have never visited southern Spain then. British retirees have taken over, the language and culture has changed, they brought their food and religion with them and are doing pretty well at ousting the indigenous Spaniards.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
Gutted about the BNP getting two seats. How can there be hundreds of thousands of racist climate change denialists in this country? Shameful. And also just as shameful are the people who didn’t go out and vote and let this happen.
I voted Lib Dems in England. Very nearly voted Greens but found out they don’t support nuclear energy in the nic of time. Then afterwards found out they are anti science nut jobs and am incredibly glad I didn’t vote for them!
You actually believe that propaganda about the BNP? How shameful.
When it comes to the BNP the MSM are like monkeys flinging poo around their cage at the zoo. It is amazing just how oblivious people are to the fact that the the only thing the MSM ever do is fling poo. What the MSM and other political parties never do is engage the BNP on issues of policy.
At this last election all the other parties could say is don’t vote for the BNP because they are racists so vote for us to stop the BNP. What they never said is vote for us because this is what we are going to do. They had nothing to offer but more of the same that is why they focus so much on dirt.
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I agree with you about the mainstream media being a waste of space however you do not need to rely on the mainstream media for the BNP. Just read what their own leaders have written and said and you can clearly see the agenda that they have.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
makkun wrote:
Just in the interest of making sure there is an appropriate coverage on matters with a potential impact on parties represented in the EU parliament (see earlier mentioning of the Airfrance plane crash), let’s not overlook this news report then:
Man who killed guard at Holocaust museum has links to BNP
'[…]Yesterday it emerged that Von Brunn, a longtime antisemite, had attended meetings of the American Friends of the British National party (AFBNP), which was set up to raise funds from far-right activists in America.
Mark Cotterill, who ran the US-based organisation before it folded in 2001, said: ‘He did attend meetings. I have just checked my database and he is down as ‘meetings only’, so he was not a major donor, although he may have put some money on the plate when it was passed round.’
The AFBNP treasurer, Todd Blodgett, also told the Washington Post that he and Von Brunn had attended fundraising meetings in Arlington County. The BNP leader, Nick Griffin, spoke to at least two AFBNP meetings and said the money raised by the organisation made a ‘significant contribution to the BNP’s [2001] general election campaign’. […]
Just to make sure we get a variety of sources, and not just the Guardian here:
White supremacist who opened fire at U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum ‘is a supporter of the BNP’
[…]Last night, it emerged that von Brunn had attended meetings of the American Friends of the British National Party in Arlington, Virginia.
Todd Blodgett, a former Reagan White House aide, told the Washington Post he went with von Brunn to meetings of the group, which was set up to raise funds for the BNP.
He said the U.S. army veteran believed he fought for the wrong side in the Second World War.
‘Von Brunn is obsessed with Jewish people,’ said Mr Blodgett. ‘He had equal contempt for both Jews and blacks, but if he had to pick one group to wipe out, he’d always say it would be Jews.’[…]
Also in the Times: The Times & The Sunday Times
It’s also funny how on some of the nazi-boards there’s already talk about that this has been a set up.
Makkun
I read that article in the mail, thanks for bringing it into the discussion for me. Those articles clearly show the extreme desperation of the MSM to do everything they can do to smear the BNP. They are really stretching there to call attending a fundraiser “a link to the BNP”. They are trying to create a news story out of nothing.
Using their twisted logic one could say that I have links to the Spanish inquisition, because my roommate attended a Democratic party fundrasier, the party of Barack Obama, whose recent speech at Notre Dame gives him links to the Roman Catholic church which is the group responsible for the inquisition.
The MSM is desperately grasping at straws and they are destroying their credibility in the process. The Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch along with the Sun, Sky news, FOX News etc… Just a few weeks ago the Times sister publication The SUN made up a bogus story accusing the BNP of passing out literature saying the Ghurkas should be kicked out of the country which they were forced to retract and are now being sued for.
People see what is going on and are increasingly bypassing the MSM to get their information directly from the BNP. That is why their website is by far the most popular of all the political parties. That is also why there was a terrorist attack on their site two weeks ago.
Tony Bliar was Rupert Murdochs bitch and George Bush was in his pocket too. You can’t say that about the BNP. That is the real issue here. The BNP is a genuine threat to the power and control of people like Rupert Murdoch.
The point is that this nutter is an example of a BNP supporter. Not surprising given that the leaders of the party are holocaust deniers and convicted violent racist thugs.[/quote]
He was one lone AMERICAN nutjob who went to a handful of meetings in America, that does not make him a typical example of over a million people in Britain. Wow are you Guardianistas desperate to smear the BNP.
Your complaining about violence or thugs is the height of hypocracy. Noone has a worse record on that front than your beloved Labour. The Tories aren’t any better they are allied with Labour and the communists in the UAF!
[quote]
And for the record, I speak freely with my Mexican friends about how ridiculous the US Mexico border is and they fully agree with me. There are a lot of educated people here with similar ideas to me about the inevitability of globalisation. As they see manafacturing disapearing to China, they have two options, they either rally against it, or look for the opportunity in it. Guess which group are typically the more succesful.[/quote]
I am sure your Mexican friends would like to flood across the border into America. Ask them how they would feel about a bunch of Africans moving into their neighborhood in Mexico. Or perhaps you can ask them what they think about Mexicans claiming Los Angeles as Mexican territory and lynching African Americans who live in or near Mexican neighborhoods.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
Gutted about the BNP getting two seats. How can there be hundreds of thousands of racist climate change denialists in this country? Shameful. And also just as shameful are the people who didn’t go out and vote and let this happen.
I voted Lib Dems in England. Very nearly voted Greens but found out they don’t support nuclear energy in the nic of time. Then afterwards found out they are anti science nut jobs and am incredibly glad I didn’t vote for them!
What’s wrong with the BNP?
The biggest problem is they aren’t controlled wealthy corporations. Because one has to be willing to withstand a lot of abuse, endanger themselves and have the courage to stand by their convictions in order to be a supporter it is not a party where one finds the typical slimy sellout of a career politician that we are all so familiar with. Long story short, they are a threat to the status quo.
They appear to be pissed because the NHS has fired British docs and replaced them with docs from 3rd world countries; and the NHS hiring illegal aliens to clean the hospitals, resulting in filthy hospitals that cause patient deaths.
Thanks to all the third world staff British hospitals are now providing a level of care that you would expect in the third world. Additionally the NHS is running a budget deficit that is 7 times the budget for foreign aid to countries like China, India, Pakistan. Countries which have booming economies and/or money to spend on space programs, nuclear weapons programs, buying up all the industrial infrastructure from defunct British industries like Rover or the Tyneside shipyards which at one time built over two thirds of all the ships on the high seas.
Then there is the issue of British soldiers wounded in Iraq or afghanistan who have tubes going in and out of their bodies, limbs missing, etc… who are completely at the mercy of this NHS staff many of whom are muslim.
They also don’t want to be awakened in the morning by someone squalling over a PA system that its time for morning prayers.
That bullshit is infuriating. Especially when it is on my day off when I finally get a chance to catch up on sleep. Or the evening one waking me when I have gone to bed early because I have to wake up really early when it is really important that I get to work on time that day and I’m sharp and ready to handle my business.
It is a way to drive people out of an area and impose their culture. Besides it’s not about prayer what it really was intended for is to be a headcount 5 times a day, just like they do in prison, it is how they keep people from escaping.
Those things seem quite reasonable to me.
You know what, it is almost as annoying as those damned church bells I used to have to listen to as a kid. How inconsiderate, anyway, it’s not about prayer, it is really intended to be a headcount every Sunday and a chance for the Establishment to continue their indoctrination program. (sarcasm over)
You really are a hateful biggoted racist aren’t you?[/quote]
Church bells can be annoying but they are not as bad as some asshole wailing over a PA system before the sun has come up. In jail they don’t count prisoners once a week they count them several times a day to ensure they don’t have much time to get away.
You are really limited in your thinking if you can only understand people having a negative view of an ideology as racism. The muslims are not a race.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
token wrote:
Sifu, just say google it… guardianista: "Derogaratory.
an insult used by right wing commentators to describe middle class left/liberals and there perceived liberal agenda. " So, you were simply insulting that otehr guy? …
Communism is about forced equallity, nazi is about white power shit, how is this the same?
Yes he was trying to insult me. And failing. The only part of the Guardian I ever read is their football email (because it is pretty funny.) The rest of the paper is badly written junk. I hate Tony Blair and voted against his party at every election. I am actually a lifetime Tory voter (though these days find plenty to dislike about them.) I am however by the original definition of the word a liberal, and proud of it.[/quote]
I think all the british newspapers are bably wirtten junk. The main reason why I read them is so I can converse with my family about what is going on in the old country.
As much as I despise Labour the Tories have been responsible for doing a lot of damage too. The Tories will most likely win the next general election but they are going to betray the people again on Europe.
I knew you were a liberal. Given what you liberals have done to Britain I wouldn’t say that is something to be proud of.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
token wrote:
I take it you have never visited southern Spain then. British retirees have taken over, the language and culture has changed, they brought their food and religion with them and are doing pretty well at ousting the indigenous Spaniards.[/quote]
Okay you have a point there. But you know what? I would not blame the Spaniards the least bit if they said that they needed to put some limits on the numbers of British because the British can be fucking annoying too.
[quote]token wrote:
With native i ment inf�¶dd/inf�¶ding, calles myself that sometimes, confuses people sometimes.[/quote]
I know what you meant.
And you know what I meant.
Sorry Lixy, i don’t know what you ment.
Sifu, what is it about islam/muslims that you dislike?
[quote]token wrote:
Sorry Lixy, i don’t know what you ment.
Sifu, what is it about islam/muslims that you dislike?[/quote]
There are quite a few thing about the ideology and practices of Islam which I find objectionable or problematic.
Islam is not just a religion it is also a totalitarian form of government. Totalitarian governments are fair game for criticism.
There is the terrible treatment of women in Islam. I could go on for days about this topic.
The hatred of other religions. Just look at what happened to the monotheistic Zaroasters of Persia. At first just a few muslims came and settled in a village, then eventually there was enough to build a mosque. The mosque brought a lot more muslims till eventually they became the majority in the village and they were starting to set up colonies in other surrounding villages. Then they became the majority in the region and started making demands on the Zaroasters like Jizya which forced them to leave or convert. Today in Iran what is left of the Persian Zaroasters are a hated, despised, persecuted minority.
Another group that did poorly under the muslims were the Christian Byzantines. The persecution of Christians in Turkey is not to be forgotten. at the beginning of the last century they rounded up what was left of the Christians and marched them into concentration camps in the desert. Even today the Turks refuse to admit to the Armenian genocide. Despite this the EU is gung ho to give 80 million Turks the right to flood into Europe and repeat their history.
The big problem with allowing muslims into the west is this. Muslims have not sorted out their culture in their own countries. Look around the world at various muslim countries they are a mess. A severe lack of human rights is the norm. People are not clamoring to move to muslim countries but they are trying to get out.
Here is a site you should study. It is produced by former muslims. People who were raised in the religion and studied it their whole lives but chose to leave it because they came to see it as something bad.