Keep us updated on the estrogen supp. You have a protocol for TRT like most of us. Robroy has a few other items mixed in.
This will be interesting if you see libido results.
Keep us updated on the estrogen supp. You have a protocol for TRT like most of us. Robroy has a few other items mixed in.
This will be interesting if you see libido results.
Any massive boners yet?
Fucking awesome, be patient. I dont think i noticed no good things before 2 weeks, after 2 weeks boner came. And that as 2mg a day (on 350mg test tho)
Man, go down to TRT levels and see if results stay. Most of us are just on TRT
fuck that lets up it to 3g a week
LOLOLOL
I love how inquiring about strangers’ boner quality is completely blase on this board.
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9 days in, no raging boners or noticeable libido changes yet. I’m on a lower dose than Robroy (although also a lower T dose) but I’m sure just like with TRT it takes 2-3 weeks to become steady-state and may take weeks to start noticing impacts.
Interestingly to me, and again probably good - no noticeable estrogen sides at all (skin is not noticeably oiler, water retention, etc.) aside from maybe seeming a little more pumped and veiny after exercise.
I’d love to know where my E2 is at right now.
Frankly I’d be a half-concerned (even though still half pumped as hell) to have raging boners a few days in; that quick a change could mean my estrogen was getting higher quick and over time may become too high.
Hopeful my trajectory is like Robroy’s where 2-3 weeks in I get a bump in EQ/libido.
Will continue updating the group for sure.
Could be evidence to show that maybe we demonize estrogen a little too much when side effects could be coming from other place. Keep us updated.
Oral e2 both converts a lot to e1 and also raises shbg to a higher degree than injected e2. Im on injectable e2 for a while now and it has not really done much for better or for worse. The only thing I can say it has done has heightened emotions and motivation in a positive way. Even up to having levels so high with my largest dose to where my breasts started to feel it. Then upon injecting masteron sexual function finally showed itself. Nonstop in a chill place thinking about ass. I’m currently halving my e2 dose to see if it helps create the diamonds because the staff has been at 3/4 mast for a while.
I think I may actually be e2 and dht deficient because dhts or e2 have not completely solved the issue on their own. Also I have very high test from the smallest of trt doses. I’ll be like 195 at 12% at 5’9” on just like 10mg day of prop. This is also part of reason why I think I’m just a low converter in general. The combination is feeling good though. Ratios man. Have to find ratios. I’ve been fucked from the beginning with my natural ratios.
Be sure to let all of us know when pipe rigidity starts to peak. I’m sure based on you being on a lower dose of test that it will be possible for you to feel similar as robroy with the .5. Remember low e2 can fuck with dopamine neurons so those may take some time to come back. Maybe that explains the delay robroy had.
I know so much of this is individual, and under-studied, but one of the effects that made me finally start realizing something hormonal had to be off (several years ago) was at night, I’d get incredibly sleepy much earlier in the evening than typical - imagine taking a shit-ton of melatonin - and my stress levels normalized to the extent I thought it felt exactly like I was on an SSRI.
I’m convinced something relating to serotonin (maybe dopamine also) was kicked way out of whack at either the production or receptor level.
It has made me wonder if hindsight though whether the low sensitivity/libido issues that folks with hormonal imbalances encouter have a similar pathology to SSRI-induced sex dysfunction.
All of the unknowns surrounding the causes and treatments for these symptoms, and the complexities of the interplay of the myriad hormones and neurotransmitters, illustrate the challenges of treating hormonal imbalances.
Add a little T here, a sprinkle of HcG there, and it could throw off 10 other things. Limitless combinations of treatment protocols when considering type and dosage; frankly, I’m amazed anybody ever gets dialed in, but fortunately, most on HRT do.
Pipe present?
Pipe status quo.
No observable change of any type that I can tell. Maybe a little more pump in muscles.
Will be interested to get bloods in a week or so.
Will Estradiol injection work any better than oral version? If yes, what shall be dose and protocol for injection?
Also any tips and symptoms of excess to lookout for ?
Lastly, how long until one shall feel better?
I’ll try to post bloods in the next few days, but long story short, had some wacky results.
After four weeks of 1 MG daily Oral tablet estradiol, blood counts, including hematocrit were all noticeably up and out of range. Not too surprising overall; my hematocrit was just barely in range when I started TRT.
But, strange in this circumstance because total T and free T were both down. Normally, my blood counts have risen and fallen in line with my T dosage and corresponding free and total T; in this case they ran counter.
I don’t think the lower total and free T is related to the recent estrogen supplementation; my bottle of testosterone was getting towards the bottom and it did crystallize a couple of times along the way so I’m speculating perhaps there had been some separation and my last injection or two was not full strength.
Not sure what’s causing the higher blood counts. I don’t think estrogen typically bumps those counts like T does but I’ll see if that result holds with next round of bloods.
Estradiol level was 44 (up from 35) so higher, but still a ways off from the 20:1 TT:E2 I’m shooting for with ~1300 total T.
Since I hadn’t experienced any noticeable effects of the estradiol at 1 MG per day, I bumped up dosage to 2 MG per day a couple of weeks ago.
At 2 MG per day, pleased to report that libido, sensitivity, and erection quality are all definitely improved. Not Dirk Diggler-improved and not back to my 18-year-old or even pre-TRT self, but a lot better than the last 4+ years.
Will be curious to see if they continue improving, and may consider bumping up dosage further still after I evaluate for another couple of weeks and get more bloods.
Will continue to keep the group posted on my pipe as the situation evolves. ![]()
Feel free to fire away with any questions!
Really interested to see how this works out for you keep us posted.
Libido up expected, if in doesnt improve more, try 3, or even 4mg a day.
Some dude on a roid board said he needs 1mg of estrogen for each 100mg of test, in general. He was currently on 600mg test and 6mg of estradiol a day.
Pipe pressurized to 80 psi??
Maybe 50 psi. ![]()
Noticeably better, with better sensitivity and orgasms much less dull.
One amazing thing is the sperm volume, like WTF im shooting ropes like when I was natty 18 years old again.
TRT, even with hcg, totally fucked up my sperm volume. Drippin out, small loads.
With estrogen? amazing loads again
so fucking weird