[quote]Varqanir wrote:
because nobody could envision flying airplanes into buildings, except the Pentagon, FEMA, NORAD, and the NRO.
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And Agent Mulder’s friends The Lone Gunmen, don’t forget about them.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office [/quote]
Always had a problem with this part. The terrorists never learned how to land a plane. Right? You would almost have to land it to perform this maneuver, correct. And if you were not a great pilot, wouldn’t you just dive bomb right into the center of the Pentagon? Why hit 1 wall?
And in the destruction pictures, where’s the aircraft? No wings anywhere, no luggage, seats, no plane debris? [/quote]
And no eye witnesses to the plane, descent and crash? No sorry, thousands of people did not share the hallucination of a plane crashing.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Well, the problem begins with the first assertion:
–Osama never was on dialysis. He never had Addison’s disease. He had a salt craving habit, dipping his thumb in a bag of salt and sucking on it frequently.[/quote]
If only we had recovered the body. Then we could have performed an autopsy and settled the matter once and for all.[/quote]
No. The body was recovered. To an aircraft carrier. With an on-call pathology team. Do we have a public autopsy report–I don’t know. Perhaps there was no open autopsy, “out of respect,” before the ocean burial. But dialysis shunts are fairly obvious finding, and the visual findings will be leaked at some point, along with the videos.
No dialysis equipment was found at the compound. Porn, yes–1.5 liter artificial kidneys and a home dialysis unit, no.
Deliveries of dialysis equipment would have been a fairly obvious finding–big trucks coming and going–and would have been part of the pre-operation planning.
So let’s kill this silliness before someone gets “pissed off.”
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Always had a problem with this part. The terrorists never learned how to land a plane. Right? You would almost have to land it to perform this maneuver, correct.
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No not correct. The hard part about landing is keeping the pitch attitude level whilst dramatically slowing down. This is not necessary if you’re just flying a plane into a wall at high speed.
Going into a vertical dive and maintaining any kind of control is extremely difficult. If you tried to go into a vertical dive in 757 the plane would go out of control and the g forces would force the pilots into their seats and they’d lose consciousness.
Easiest way to hit the pentagon was the way they did it.
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And in the destruction pictures, where’s the aircraft? No wings anywhere, no luggage, seats, no plane debris? [/quote]
That myth has been busted.
I hope we don’t have to revisit tin foil hat land again with the “controlled demolitions” and planes that weren’t planes.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I listen to NPR only when I want to hear what the left side of an issue is. Funny them being publicly funded and all, one would think a more balanced program would be in order. They are just race baiting liberals. Even down to their logo. It’s “N” “P” “R” with a Red, BLACK and blue panel behind each letter. Even a first year marketing student could understand the “not-so-subtle” implied meaning there.[/quote]
Most govt-funded ie “public” broadcasting agencies lean well to the Left.
Certainly the BBC does so, it is virulently anti Israel and pro-climate change to an extraordinary degree. But then it has investments in green tech. (Which I like a lot by the way).
The Australian ABC is very similar, and so is the CBC (Canada).
Most of the Left agencies connect/refer to Left-leaning private papers and news agencies eg in the case of the ABC (oz), its journalists refer to and cross-promote with The Guardian, BBC, Le Monde, Haaretz and Al Jazeera, all of whom are left to far-left.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I hope we don’t have to revisit tin foil hat land again with the “controlled demolitions” and planes that weren’t planes.[/quote]
No way. Not me. Good explanation above.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Always had a problem with this part. The terrorists never learned how to land a plane. Right? You would almost have to land it to perform this maneuver, correct.
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No not correct. The hard part about landing is keeping the pitch attitude level whilst dramatically slowing down. This is not necessary if you’re just flying a plane into a wall at high speed.
Going into a vertical dive and maintaining any kind of control is extremely difficult. If you tried to go into a vertical dive in 757 the plane would go out of control and the g forces would force the pilots into their seats and they’d lose consciousness.
Easiest way to hit the pentagon was the way they did it.
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And in the destruction pictures, where’s the aircraft? No wings anywhere, no luggage, seats, no plane debris? [/quote]
That myth has been busted.
I hope we don’t have to revisit tin foil hat land again with the “controlled demolitions” and planes that weren’t planes.[/quote]
People always forget how intensely hot a fire can get when it’s started with a few thousand gallons of super-high octane jet fuel.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
(literally starvings) Palestine
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This is just a lie. There is plenty of food in Gaza/West Bank.
The Palestinians have been killing Jews long before the Jews starting shooting back. The entire conflict started when the Muslims decided they could not tolerate a Jewish state.
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You (SEEM) in the know but I heard on a radio program (DIANN REHEAMS) that the Palestinians are not even allowed to fish their own ocean , is this true ?
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Her name is “Diane Rehm.”
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The Mediterranean is a sea not an ocean.
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The Mediterranean Sea does not exclusively belong to the residents of Gaza.
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Gazan fishing vessels are allowed to fish up to six miles off shore.
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This six mile limit has only been in place since 2007 when Hamas took over in Gaza.
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I must admit , I learned something new from you , I always thought the Sea and the Ocean were synonymous .
Now before I go developing a little respect for you , where does your expertise come from on Israel ?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
(literally starvings) Palestine
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This is just a lie. There is plenty of food in Gaza/West Bank.
The Palestinians have been killing Jews long before the Jews starting shooting back. The entire conflict started when the Muslims decided they could not tolerate a Jewish state.
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You (SEEM) in the know but I heard on a radio program (DIANN REHEAMS) that the Palestinians are not even allowed to fish their own ocean , is this true ?
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Her name is “Diane Rehm.”
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The Mediterranean is a sea not an ocean.
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The Mediterranean Sea does not exclusively belong to the residents of Gaza.
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Gazan fishing vessels are allowed to fish up to six miles off shore.
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This six mile limit has only been in place since 2007 when Hamas took over in Gaza.
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I must admit , I learned something new from you , I always thought the Sea and the Ocean were synonymous .
Now before I go developing a little respect for you , where does your expertise come from on Israel ?
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I’m not an expert on Israel. But I do read a lot of news and history.
What I find disturbing is that the MSLM keeps referring to the “three kidnapped Israeli teenagers”. Um, excuse me, but ONE of those teenagers, Eyal Yifrach, was AN AMERICAN FUCKING CITIZEN… But they conveniently leave that part out of their soundbite. I mean, they wouldn’t want to “distract” anyone from their pro-Palestinian stance. That’s some fucking bullshit. If any OTHER country kidnapped and killed an American citizen, you’d think we might have a bit more to say about it…
You’ll never hear about this:
“Egyptian TV Announcer Calls for Destruction of Hamas; Al-Ahram Columnist Thanks Netanyahu”
Officials and public figures in Egypt are beginning to call for Israel and Egypt to wipe out Hamas in the Gaza Strip, which some are calling the “armed branch of the Muslim Brotherhood terrorist organization,” that runs the coastal enclave.
A major Egyptian television news commentator savaged Hamas on Sunday for its support of the Muslim Brotherhood, and called on her country to join Israel and strike the Islamist group.
“The Egyptian people know exactly who they are facing, and understand that there is no alternative to employing the Egyptian army to strike terror cells in Gaza and destroy Hamas in a military operation,” Hayah Al Dardiri, a presenter for Egypt Today told viewers.
Another pundit, Azza Sami, of the newspaper Al-Ahram wrote, “Thank you (Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin) Netanyahu and may God give us more [people] like you to destroy Hamas.”
And the critique of Hamas wasnâ??t only in the media.
Writing in The Gatestone Institute, Israeli journalist and author Khaled Abu Toameh noted that, “Sisi’s Egypt has not forgiven Hamas for its alliance with (the) Muslim Brotherhood and its involvement in terrorist attacks against Egyptian civilians and soldiers over the past year.”
“The Egyptians today understand that Hamas and other radical Islamist groups pose a serious threat to their national security. That is why the Egyptian authorities have, over the past year, been taking tough security measures not only against Hamas, but also the entire population of the Gaza Strip.”
Toameh believes that Hamas was taken aback by the vehemence of some of the positive reactions to Israel’s Operation Protective Edge, which entered its sixth day on Sunday, with a possible ground incursion to foil more rockets attacks into Israel in the offing.
“It’s disgraceful to see that some Egyptians are publicly supporting the Israeli aggression on the Gaza Strip while Westerners are expressing solidarity with the Palestinians and condemning Israel,” one Hamas spokesman said in evident frustration.
Toameh contends that many Egyptians, particularly after the debacle of the rise and fall of the Muslim Brotherhood, view Hamas and like-minded groups as a direct threat to their countryâ??s national security.
Meanwhile, Middle East negotiator and former UK prime minister Tony Blair has met with Egyptian officials in recent days in an effort to stem the fighting between Israel and Hamas through an Egyptian-brokered cease fire.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
You’ll never hear about this:
“Egyptian TV Announcer Calls for Destruction of Hamas; Al-Ahram Columnist Thanks Netanyahu”
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Good, Hamas stinks. They’re obviously hurting the Palestinian people more than helping. Too many Palestinians are probably too brain washed to realize it. Maybe this will lead to other Arab states concerned with radicals to speak up too.
Predictably, the current escalation has lead to rising anti-Israel protests and attacks on Jews and Jewish institutions around the world. If Muslims wanted some good press, they would condemn this loud and publicly.
What’s not totally clear from the media reports is how much of the protests are coming from Muslim immigrants or from the larger native populations. In any case, no matter what’s happening in Israel, it’s bullshit to attack Jews as a response. Same goes for ANY group of people.
No matter your opinion of Israel, consider that Israel is substantially smaller than the vast majority of US states. Now imagine the state you live in is it’s own country. Now imagine a neighboring state kidnapped and murdered three of your citizens. No doubt you would want your government to respond in a definitive manner. It sucks Palestinian civilians are dying, but again, Hamas doesn’t care who it hides behind. The vicious cycle continues. My personal opinion is that Hamas bears most of the blame.
No government serious about protecting it’s people is going to allow it’s citizens to be kidnapped and murdered without forceful response. The Israeli government has a duty to protect its citizens, and I would expect the same from my government. We wouldn’t allow drug cartels to come into Texas and kidnap and murder American citizens* without forceful response.
key words: American citizens
[quote]BPCorso wrote:
Predictably, the current escalation has lead to rising anti-Israel protests and attacks on Jews and Jewish institutions around the world. If Muslims wanted some good press, they would condemn this loud and publicly.
What’s not totally clear from the media reports is how much of the protests are coming from Muslim immigrants or from the larger native populations. In any case, no matter what’s happening in Israel, it’s bullshit to attack Jews as a response. Same goes for ANY group of people.
No matter your opinion of Israel, consider that Israel is substantially smaller than the vast majority of US states. Now imagine the state you live in is it’s own country. Now imagine a neighboring state kidnapped and murdered three of your citizens. No doubt you would want your government to respond in a definitive manner. It sucks Palestinian civilians are dying, but again, Hamas doesn’t care who it hides behind. The vicious cycle continues. My personal opinion is that Hamas bears most of the blame.
No government serious about protecting it’s people is going to allow it’s citizens to be kidnapped and murdered without forceful response. The Israeli government has a duty to protect its citizens, and I would expect the same from my government. We wouldn’t allow drug cartels to come into Texas and kidnap and murder American citizens* without forceful response.
key words: American citizens[/quote]
Hamas has also lost a lot of support from Iran because Hamas(Sunni) backed the rebels in Syria. As well as the Shia/Sunni divide over Syria there’s also a political divide between groups with left-wing/socialist origins(like the PLO) and religious groups. Assad’s regime is Ba’athist and therefore attracts many fighters from left-wing militant groups.
The part that all the whining liberal Human Rights organizations are missing as they blast Israel for striking back is this: These idiots getting killed VOTED for Hamas… They LET Hamas keep it’s munitions in civilian occupied areas. They ALLOW themselves to be used as human shields and then point fingers at Israel for handling it’s business.
So they obviously support the terrorists and what they are doing (rocket attacks, kidnappings, etc…). So I don’t have one single shred of pity for those stupid muther fuckers who are learning a valuable lesson about reaping what you have sown.
If you don’t want to get bombed/invaded, DON’T ELECT A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION TO LEAD YOU!!! That’s a fairly simple concept.
These fuckers are so stupid, they shot rockets at THEIR OWN POWER PLANT. LMAO
Now Gaza doesn’t have electricity.
Then they expect Israel to fix it… Way to think it through.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
These fuckers are so stupid, they shot rockets at THEIR OWN POWER PLANT. LMAO
Now Gaza doesn’t have electricity.
Then they expect Israel to fix it… Way to think it through.[/quote]
I do not know but I would suspect this may be dis info . Israel would not look good if they continue to punish Palestine for Hamas’s actions
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
These fuckers are so stupid, they shot rockets at THEIR OWN POWER PLANT. LMAO
Now Gaza doesn’t have electricity.
Then they expect Israel to fix it… Way to think it through.[/quote]
I do not know but I would suspect this may be dis info . Israel would not look good if they continue to punish Palestine for Hamas’s actions
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Disinformation? How? Did the Mossad sneak into Judea and change the guidance system of the rocket?
The even cooler back story is the arabs had their own power plants but ran them so badly (and everything down to the copper spoolings got stolen) that the lack of electricity became a humanitarian disaster, so Israel hooks Judea and Samaria up to its grid free of charge.
You know, because we Israelis are evil, mean, monsters, etc.