[quote]squatbenchhench wrote
Are you suggesting American foreign policy is moral?
[/quote] No, I was referring to your morals. You say this and you say that. It is sort of entertaining, but then again no, not really.
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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
In any case, most Palestinians did not fight,
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Pretty much the entirety of your post is wrong so I wont even bother going through it all. But I would like to ask how you know this?? This is something you pulled straight out of your ass that has no historical basis whatsoever. So I ask again, where did it come from??[/quote]
Again, if America sold half of California to Russia, Russian settlers arrived and displaced the Californians, the states around California attacked the Russian half, and the Russian settlers invaded the rest of California, would the Californians be ‘not letting the Russians live in peace’ and would they be ‘attacking the Russians’ or defending themselves?
Where is the historical basis on your part? [/quote]
You didn’t even touch the question. Where are you getting that most Palestinians didn’t fight? Almost all accounts indicate that they fought right along side Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. Your last question makes no sense given the previous ill-conceived gibberish that you posted.
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Which accounts?
You don’t seem to get the point that if you were living in Palestine after Israel had been created your land had already been partitioned, occupied by strangers and you would have known many who had been displaced. In this context it is not legitimate to describe the Palestinians as throwing the first stone. Simple.
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You said Most Palestinians didn’t fight… I am asking you where you got that. I am not the one missing the point.
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I’m saying firstly: where is your source. And secondly: whether they did fight or not is irrelevant, given the context that you just keep on avoiding.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote
Are you suggesting American foreign policy is moral?
[/quote] No, I was referring to your morals. You say this and you say that. It is sort of entertaining, but then again no, not really.
.[/quote]
Why would it be immoral to have a peaceful relationship with the millions of Muslims in the world?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.
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Americans have no need to be alarmed. The fact is there are 100s of millions of Muslims in the Middle East who control almost all the natural resources. In contrast, there are about 6 million Jews in the Middle East. Americans will get more out of siding with the Muslims than the Israeli’s tbh.[/quote]
Even if a large portion of those Muslims hate America just as much as Israel??[/quote]
And why would they ‘hate’ America? Perhaps because America does hateful things to them? I think you are so rooted in an American world view that you cannot conceive how the world might look for anyone else.
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote
Are you suggesting American foreign policy is moral?
[/quote] No, I was referring to your morals. You say this and you say that. It is sort of entertaining, but then again no, not really.
.[/quote]
Why would it be immoral to have a peaceful relationship with the millions of Muslims in the world? [/quote]
Peekaboo! Goo-goo.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote
Are you suggesting American foreign policy is moral?
[/quote] No, I was referring to your morals. You say this and you say that. It is sort of entertaining, but then again no, not really.
.[/quote]
Why would it be immoral to have a peaceful relationship with the millions of Muslims in the world? [/quote]
Peekaboo! Goo-goo.[/quote]
Is that question so challenging to your ideology you can’t respond sensibly?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.
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Americans have no need to be alarmed. The fact is there are 100s of millions of Muslims in the Middle East who control almost all the natural resources. In contrast, there are about 6 million Jews in the Middle East. Americans will get more out of siding with the Muslims than the Israeli’s tbh.[/quote]
Even if a large portion of those Muslims hate America just as much as Israel??[/quote]
America has earned it’s hatred
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
In any case, most Palestinians did not fight,
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Pretty much the entirety of your post is wrong so I wont even bother going through it all. But I would like to ask how you know this?? This is something you pulled straight out of your ass that has no historical basis whatsoever. So I ask again, where did it come from??[/quote]
Again, if America sold half of California to Russia, Russian settlers arrived and displaced the Californians, the states around California attacked the Russian half, and the Russian settlers invaded the rest of California, would the Californians be ‘not letting the Russians live in peace’ and would they be ‘attacking the Russians’ or defending themselves?
Where is the historical basis on your part? [/quote]
You didn’t even touch the question. Where are you getting that most Palestinians didn’t fight? Almost all accounts indicate that they fought right along side Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. Your last question makes no sense given the previous ill-conceived gibberish that you posted.
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Which accounts?
You don’t seem to get the point that if you were living in Palestine after Israel had been created your land had already been partitioned, occupied by strangers and you would have known many who had been displaced. In this context it is not legitimate to describe the Palestinians as throwing the first stone. Simple.
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You said Most Palestinians didn’t fight… I am asking you where you got that. I am not the one missing the point.
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I’m saying firstly: where is your source. And secondly: whether they did fight or not is irrelevant, given the context that you just keep on avoiding. [/quote]
I am not avoiding, I have already told you, your analogy is flawed beyond repair because you lack very basic understanding of the subject matter you are attempting to discuss. I could point out all the ways that it is flawed, but that would take a while and you wouldn’t listen anyway so there isn’t really a point. Most of your “facts” are fabrications or misinformation but you are clinging to them clinched white-knuckled fists. The one piece of “pulled out of assery” that I brought up from your previous post, not because it was the only one mind you, just one of many I could have chosen, “Most Palestinians did not fight” is laughably inaccurate and a simple search of Wikipedia will verify that from both extremely pro-Palestine and extremely pro-Israeli sources. And I say its relevant mostly because it shows your pension, not just for twisting facts, but for outright making them up.
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.
[/quote]
Americans have no need to be alarmed. The fact is there are 100s of millions of Muslims in the Middle East who control almost all the natural resources. In contrast, there are about 6 million Jews in the Middle East. Americans will get more out of siding with the Muslims than the Israeli’s tbh.[/quote]
Even if a large portion of those Muslims hate America just as much as Israel??[/quote]
And why would they ‘hate’ America? Perhaps because America does hateful things to them? I think you are so rooted in an American world view that you cannot conceive how the world might look for anyone else.
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So you are saying we would not be better off getting behind the Muslims because they hate us?? Doesn’t that contradict what you said??
I do not understand how Israel is not winning the Public Relations War ?
Imprisoning people up telling them it’s safe to go out and then attacking them , that is awesome Public Relations
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote
Are you suggesting American foreign policy is moral?
[/quote] No, I was referring to your morals. You say this and you say that. It is sort of entertaining, but then again no, not really.
.[/quote]
Why would it be immoral to have a peaceful relationship with the millions of Muslims in the world? [/quote]
Peekaboo! Goo-goo.[/quote]
Is that question so challenging to your ideology you can’t respond sensibly? [/quote]
It’s a suitable answer. What ideology do I have?
Everyone condemns Israel for the bombardment of Gaza, but the solution to this would have been so simple it’s mind boggling. If the Palestinians are serious about ending the fight with Israel, wouldn’t they have arrested the ones responsible for killing the 3 teens and sentence them to death?
If it were any other civilized country in the world, they would do this. But the Palestinians stand behind the killers so Israel’s military reaction should not surprise them or any one else.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.
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I just wonder what his motivation is.
Religious? Secular? Anti-Western? Political? Anti-Semitic?
I’m leaning political, since the base of the Democrat Party are blacks and the radical left, both of which are overwhelmingly anti-Semitic.[/quote]
You do realize that the U.S. is replinishing the IDF’s munitions?
Regardless, the administration’s foreign policy toward southwest Asia is hardly what you characterize it to be. Bush authorized 50 drone strikes throughout his two terms. Obama? Over 400 in his first term. He’s hardly opposed to the prudent use of hard power.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Everyone condemns Israel for the bombardment of Gaza, but the solution to this would have been so simple it’s mind boggling. If the Palestinians are serious about ending the fight with Israel, wouldn’t they have arrested the ones responsible for killing the 3 teens and sentence them to death?
If it were any other civilized country in the world, they would do this. But the Palestinians stand behind the killers so Israel’s military reaction should not surprise them or any one else.[/quote]
This conflict, like this thread, will never really end. It’s always the same pattern. The Palestinians instigate a conflict, Israel responds, the world goes up in arms over the pictures of corpses from the conflict and begs Israel to stop. Israel eventually stops, Hamas rearms and re-instigates. Same thing happens again.
Aside from Israel, I don’t see anybody willing to do what needs to be done to create a sustainable peace. What needs to be done is ugly. Aside from an act of God or a change of heart on the part of the Arabs (which would be arguably more miraculous) in that part of the world, this will continue. It sucks.
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
Is that question so challenging to your ideology you can’t respond sensibly? [/quote]
You are the utmost clown that has jumped on fallacy after fallacy, making up “facts” out of thin air and have the audacity to speak to other people in a condescending tone?
The fuck is wrong with you?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I do not understand how Israel is not winning the Public Relations War ?
Imprisoning people up telling them it’s safe to go out and then attacking them , that is awesome Public Relations [/quote]
lmao…
Yeah… You can hearby never deny any fox news story every again if you are going to act like this.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Everyone condemns Israel for the bombardment of Gaza, but the solution to this would have been so simple it’s mind boggling. If the Palestinians are serious about ending the fight with Israel, wouldn’t they have arrested the ones responsible for killing the 3 teens and sentence them to death?
If it were any other civilized country in the world, they would do this. But the Palestinians stand behind the killers so Israel’s military reaction should not surprise them or any one else.[/quote]
Israel could have easily arrested these people as well . It would have taken no more than a presence like they used to have .
Does any one even know the identity of the killer or killers ?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I do not understand how Israel is not winning the Public Relations War ?
Imprisoning people up telling them it’s safe to go out and then attacking them , that is awesome Public Relations [/quote]
Act like what , that is reported in all the news outlets
lmao…
Yeah… You can hearby never deny any fox news story every again if you are going to act like this. [/quote]