Escalation in Israel

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
No but to accept the premise that ancient history is a basis for current demographic organization[/quote]

And clown status continues. The whole point of you ignoring history you don’t like is so you can pick and choose who you want to call “natives” to an area so it fits your agenda.

Those of us who live in reality and actually take into account all of history, not just the parts we like can actually filter and navigate the gray areas of a situation.

Yes, if one was a simpleton who can’t make quality analogies, based their entire argument on fallacy after fallacy and generally can’t make judgments outside of their confirmation bias.

Not even comparable. Not even close.

An actual comparable example would be: If other countries set up areas in the US that belong to Native Americans (because they purchased them) and they are left to self government, not subject to American taxation, etc etc etc.

And then, the current residents that just sold the land formed a group that swore they would not rest until all the Native Americans were slaughtered.

So… Looking at your shit analogy, we pretty much already have part one, and magically, we don’t have part two. In fact, quite the opposite really.

So… clown shoes fails again.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.
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I just wonder what his motivation is.

Religious? Secular? Anti-Western? Political? Anti-Semitic?

I’m leaning political, since the base of the Democrat Party are blacks and the radical left, both of which are overwhelmingly anti-Semitic.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.
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I just wonder what his motivation is.

Religious? Secular? Anti-Western? Political? Anti-Semitic?

I’m leaning political, since the base of the Democrat Party are blacks and the radical left, both of which are overwhelmingly anti-Semitic.[/quote]

How are the democratic party in any way associated with the far left?

Go on any far left forum, any far left groups website, they see Obama as the presidaent of an Imperialist capitalist state. The far left sees no difference between the republicans and the democrats. The far left does not believe in parlimentary politics.

When you say silly stuff like that it shows how you can be so off when it comes to Israel.

Most of the most revered figures of the far left are jews.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

  1. I think Pelosi is a lousy Politician…but I don’t believe she thinks that Hamas is a Humanitarian Organization.
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    Well I don’t want to believe it mufasa believe me. But we can’t really keep pretending that these Quislings in the government are benign.[/quote]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/29/is-hamas-a-humanitarian-organization-nancy-pelosis-rambling-answer-about-the-israel-conflict/

I watched the video above. Pelosi dodges the question and quotes Qatar while refusing to condemn Hamas. It’s clear she is courting the radicals in her district and does not want to be on record, either way.

Completely spineless, gross, and evil.

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.
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I just wonder what his motivation is.

Religious? Secular? Anti-Western? Political? Anti-Semitic?

I’m leaning political, since the base of the Democrat Party are blacks and the radical left, both of which are overwhelmingly anti-Semitic.[/quote]

How are the democratic party in any way associated with the far left?

Go on any far left forum, any far left groups website, they see Obama as the presidaent of an Imperialist capitalist state. The far left sees no difference between the republicans and the democrats. The far left does not believe in parlimentary politics.

When you say silly stuff like that it shows how you can be so off when it comes to Israel.

Most of the most revered figures of the far left are jews. [/quote]

The adults are talking. Go play.

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.
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I just wonder what his motivation is.

Religious? Secular? Anti-Western? Political? Anti-Semitic?

I’m leaning political, since the base of the Democrat Party are blacks and the radical left, both of which are overwhelmingly anti-Semitic.[/quote]

How are the democratic party in any way associated with the far left?

Go on any far left forum, any far left groups website, they see Obama as the presidaent of an Imperialist capitalist state. The far left sees no difference between the republicans and the democrats. The far left does not believe in parlimentary politics.

When you say silly stuff like that it shows how you can be so off when it comes to Israel.

Most of the most revered figures of the far left are jews. [/quote]

The american conception of far left is somewhat different than in Europe. Read, totally.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.

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Americans have no need to be alarmed. The fact is there are 100s of millions of Muslims in the Middle East who control almost all the natural resources. In contrast, there are about 6 million Jews in the Middle East. Americans will get more out of siding with the Muslims than the Israeli’s tbh.[/quote]

Since we have had all kinds of random questions from the other side in this thread… What is your stance on the Holocaust by the way?? Genuinely curious.
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What stance can one have? Obviously 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis. I don’t think it was exclusively a Jewish tragedy though. I don’t think it had much to do with ‘traditional’ antisemitism either. I think that writers like Victor Klemperer and Hannah Arendt have the right idea on it, people like Eli Weisel probably don’t.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
In any case, most Palestinians did not fight,
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Pretty much the entirety of your post is wrong so I wont even bother going through it all. But I would like to ask how you know this?? This is something you pulled straight out of your ass that has no historical basis whatsoever. So I ask again, where did it come from??[/quote]

Again, if America sold half of California to Russia, Russian settlers arrived and displaced the Californians, the states around California attacked the Russian half, and the Russian settlers invaded the rest of California, would the Californians be ‘not letting the Russians live in peace’ and would they be ‘attacking the Russians’ or defending themselves?

Where is the historical basis on your part?

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.

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Americans have no need to be alarmed. The fact is there are 100s of millions of Muslims in the Middle East who control almost all the natural resources. In contrast, there are about 6 million Jews in the Middle East. Americans will get more out of siding with the Muslims than the Israeli’s tbh.[/quote]

Great moral compass.[/quote]

Are you suggesting American foreign policy is moral?

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
In any case, most Palestinians did not fight,
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Pretty much the entirety of your post is wrong so I wont even bother going through it all. But I would like to ask how you know this?? This is something you pulled straight out of your ass that has no historical basis whatsoever. So I ask again, where did it come from??[/quote]

Again, if America sold half of California to Russia, Russian settlers arrived and displaced the Californians, the states around California attacked the Russian half, and the Russian settlers invaded the rest of California, would the Californians be ‘not letting the Russians live in peace’ and would they be ‘attacking the Russians’ or defending themselves?

Where is the historical basis on your part? [/quote]

You didn’t even touch the question. Where are you getting that most Palestinians didn’t fight? Almost all accounts indicate that they fought right along side Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. Your last question makes no sense given the previous ill-conceived gibberish that you posted.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
In any case, most Palestinians did not fight,
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Pretty much the entirety of your post is wrong so I wont even bother going through it all. But I would like to ask how you know this?? This is something you pulled straight out of your ass that has no historical basis whatsoever. So I ask again, where did it come from??[/quote]

Again, if America sold half of California to Russia, Russian settlers arrived and displaced the Californians, the states around California attacked the Russian half, and the Russian settlers invaded the rest of California, would the Californians be ‘not letting the Russians live in peace’ and would they be ‘attacking the Russians’ or defending themselves?

Where is the historical basis on your part? [/quote]

You didn’t even touch the question. Where are you getting that most Palestinians didn’t fight? Almost all accounts indicate that they fought right along side Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. Your last question makes no sense given the previous ill-conceived gibberish that you posted.
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Which accounts?

You don’t seem to get the point that if you were living in Palestine after Israel had been created your land had already been partitioned, occupied by strangers and you would have known many who had been displaced. In this context it is not legitimate to describe the Palestinians as throwing the first stone. Simple.

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Creating “a Palestinian State for Palestinian[s]” has been offered repeatedly, and the arabs demand that said state encompass ALL of Israel and be Judenfrei.

So, no, creating such a state will not “cause peace” because the arabs do not want a limited state. They want the entire area of land that is Israel and they want all the Jewish residents expelled.

Not sure how many times you have to hear this.[/quote]

Don’t give them a choice , Set it up and be kind , No 2 sets of rules , no discrimination
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Palestine refuses. Now what?[/quote]

Well, Obama could unfriend them on Facebook, like he did to Putin.

Sends a message, that unfriending!

What a loser.[/quote]

Do you think Obama is a socialist or a muslim?
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He’s an Alinsky-ite.

In case you’re wondering, Saul Alinsky was a community organizer in the IRA. Born in the Shanhill Road district of west Belfast, he did most of his work in the Donegall Pass area where he is reputed to be responsible for hundreds of thousands of British deaths during the Troubles.

He also was a professor at Belfast’s St. Mary’s University where Barack Obama’s father, Sean, an Irish fisherman, majored in Russian literature. Sean was thus able to tutor young Bam in the ways of community organizing and launch him into his political career that has presently taken him to the Oval Office.

It really is an amazing story. Do you have any more of your own?[/quote]

This is true. Most people don’t realise that after Barack moved to Saudi Arabia he taught gender studies at the university of Riyadh and along with Osama bin Laden he organised radical feminist demonstrations where women took their gloves off and walked in the streets unaccompanied by male relatives. The Obama/Osama feminist/transgender nexus is key to understanding the motivations of the organiser in chief.[/quote]

Wow, this is just… Wow.[/quote]

I know! They totally forgot to talk about the part where Obama spent a couple years under the tutelage of his Aunt Mary Jo Kopechne in the ACIAWPF (Anti-Colonial It’s All White People’s Fault) Special Forces, this is where he learned his hard social combat skills that pared nicely with his Saul’s Kid’s previous training. Such invaluable skills as: Teleprompter Dependence, Blame Bush, How to Vote 17 Times and the You’re Racist Because You’re White.

Unfortunately his time was cut short due to the tragic death of his Aunt before he could complete his study and case work in the areas of Total Gun Confiscation, White Privilege, Fundamental Transformation, Hypocritical Stances on Wealth and Receiving Significant Amounts of Dark Money and The Media Only Talks About It When Republicans Do It.

Thrilling stuff

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

The adults are talking. [/quote]

Speaking of which, does anyone have your email?

Would love to pick your brain on a couple of things if you don’t mind.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
In any case, most Palestinians did not fight,
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Pretty much the entirety of your post is wrong so I wont even bother going through it all. But I would like to ask how you know this?? This is something you pulled straight out of your ass that has no historical basis whatsoever. So I ask again, where did it come from??[/quote]

Again, if America sold half of California to Russia, Russian settlers arrived and displaced the Californians, the states around California attacked the Russian half, and the Russian settlers invaded the rest of California, would the Californians be ‘not letting the Russians live in peace’ and would they be ‘attacking the Russians’ or defending themselves?

Where is the historical basis on your part? [/quote]

You didn’t even touch the question. Where are you getting that most Palestinians didn’t fight? Almost all accounts indicate that they fought right along side Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. Your last question makes no sense given the previous ill-conceived gibberish that you posted.
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Which accounts?

You don’t seem to get the point that if you were living in Palestine after Israel had been created your land had already been partitioned, occupied by strangers and you would have known many who had been displaced. In this context it is not legitimate to describe the Palestinians as throwing the first stone. Simple.
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You said Most Palestinians didn’t fight… I am asking you where you got that. I am not the one missing the point.

Can I just throw in my vote we sell all of California?

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

The adults are talking. [/quote]

Speaking of which, does anyone have your email?

Would love to pick your brain on a couple of things if you don’t mind. [/quote]

ApacheDave

at the lovely website of hushmail.com

I check it about once a week.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Can I just throw in my vote we sell all of California?

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Are you bringing that in the form of a motion? Because if so, I second.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.

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Americans have no need to be alarmed. The fact is there are 100s of millions of Muslims in the Middle East who control almost all the natural resources. In contrast, there are about 6 million Jews in the Middle East. Americans will get more out of siding with the Muslims than the Israeli’s tbh.[/quote]

Even if a large portion of those Muslims hate America just as much as Israel??

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Can I just throw in my vote we sell all of California?

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Are you bringing that in the form of a motion? Because if so, I second. [/quote]

Third, Motion carried!

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.

When US President Barack Obama phoned Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Sunday night, in the middle of a security cabinet meeting, he ended any remaining doubt regarding his policy toward Israel and Hamas.

Obama called Netanyahu while the premier was conferring with his senior ministers about how to proceed in Gaza. Some ministers counseled that Israel should continue to limit our forces to specific pinpoint operations aimed at destroying the tunnels of death that Hamas has dug throughout Gaza and into Israeli territory.

Others argued that the only way to truly destroy the tunnels, and keep them destroyed, is for Israel to retake control over the Gaza Strip.

No ministers were recommending that Israel end its operations in Gaza completely. The longer our soldiers fight, the more we learn about the vast dimensions of the Hamas?s terror arsenal, and about the Muslim Brotherhood group?s plans and strategy for using it to destabilize, demoralize and ultimately destroy Israeli society.

The IDF?s discovery of Hamas?s Rosh Hashana plot was the last straw for any Israeli leftists still harboring fantasies about picking up our marbles and going home. Hamas?s plan to use its tunnels to send hundreds of terrorists into multiple Israeli border communities simultaneously and carry out a massacre of unprecedented scope, replete with the abduction of hostages to Gaza, was the rude awakening the Left had avoided since it pushed for Israel?s 2005 withdrawal from Gaza.

In other words, in their discussion Sunday night, Netanyahu and his ministers were without illusions about the gravity of the situation and the imperative of winning ? however defined.

But then the telephone rang. And Obama told Netanyahu that Israel must lose. He wants an unconditional ?humanitarian? cease-fire that will lead to a permanent one.

And he wants it now.

And by the way, the eventual terms of that cease-fire must include opening Hamas-controlled Gaza?s borders with Egypt and Israel and ending Israel?s maritime blockade of the Gaza coast. That is, the cease-fire must allow Hamas to rebuild its arsenal of death and destruction quickly, with US political and financial support.

Until Obama made the call, there was lingering doubt among some Israelis regarding his intentions. Some thought that US Secretary of State John Kerry might have been acting of his own accord last Friday night when he tried to force Israel to accept Hamas?s cease-fire terms.

But then Obama made his phone call. And all doubts were dispelled.

Kerry is just a loyal steward of Obama?s foreign policy.

Obama is siding with Hamas, and its Muslim Brotherhood patrons in Qatar and Turkey, against Israel, and its Sunni Arab supporters ? Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates.

It is Obama who demands that Hamas have open borders so it can resupply, and receive billions of dollars ? starting with an immediate cash injection of $47 million from US taxpayers ? so it can pay North Korea for more missiles and import building materials to reconstruct its tunnels.

The fact that the US?s current preference for genocidal, Jew-hating jihadists over the only liberal, pro-American, stable US ally in the Middle East is a White House position, rather than that of a rogue Secretary of State was actually exposed even before Obama?s phone call.

Sunday CNN?s Candy Crowley interviewed Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes. She asked him what the administration thinks Israel can do to prevent civilians from being killed in Gaza beyond what it is already doing. Rhodes replied, ?I think you can always do more.?

In other words, Rhodes said that no matter what precautions Israel takes to try to minimize Palestinian civilian deaths in Gaza, the administration will never be satisfied. The White House will never acknowledge that Israel is in the right, or that it is fighting a moral war against a barbaric foe. And since the administration will never be satisfied, Israel can expect to be condemned by various UN bodies, including the Security Council, because no matter what it does to try to earn the support of the administration, it will never receive such support.

The discovery that the Obama administration is entirely in Hamas?s corner hit all of Israel hard. But it hit the Left the hardest. Few on the Right, which recognized Obama?s hostility from the outset of his presidency, were surprised.

As for political leaders, the government cannot risk giving the administration justification for its anti-Israel policies, so senior ministers have all said nothing.

Consequently, the harshest criticisms of the administration?s pro-Hamas position were heard from quarters where rarely a peep of criticism for Obama has been heard.

-Caroline Glick

(Excerpt)

Read more:
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columni…-policy-369338

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It’s an Obama thing eye roll :slight_smile: Maybe Obama wants to open borders because by all definitions it is a Prison Camp and a poorly run on too .