Escalation in Israel

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
C’mon, Muf, I like you and you know that but your Pelosi defense is mindbogglingly and stupendously beyond the pale.[/quote]

Not defending her, Push.

But people on this Board are being disingenuous, (because I KNOW they know better…so it pisses me off) when they post stuff that they KNOW is Batshit…like Pelosi believing that Hamas is a Humanitarian organization…or that the President gets into Dick-Waving sessions when he is talking Privately with PM Netanyahu.

The President and Pelosi make enough legitimate mistakes without having to make shit up.

Mufasa[/quote]

If you are accusing me of posting that dialogue knowing that it was false, you can kiss my white you-know-what.

I may be less than fully informed, but I don’t fucking post lies knowingly.

I thought you were above accusations like this.

Guess I was wrong.

So much for all that respect I’ve felt for you all these years…[/quote]

Way off, Chushin.

I didn’t even see your post. This stuff was posted WAY before I think you posted it.

So…nothing personally directed at you. If taken that way, I apologize.

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
C’mon, Muf, I like you and you know that but your Pelosi defense is mindbogglingly and stupendously beyond the pale.[/quote]

Not defending her, Push.

But people on this Board are being disingenuous, (because I KNOW they know better…so it pisses me off) when they post stuff that they KNOW is Batshit…like Pelosi believing that Hamas is a Humanitarian organization…or that the President gets into Dick-Waving sessions when he is talking Privately with PM Netanyahu.

The President and Pelosi make enough legitimate mistakes without having to make shit up.

Mufasa[/quote]

If you are accusing me of posting that dialogue knowing that it was false, you can kiss my white you-know-what.

I may be less than fully informed, but I don’t fucking post lies knowingly.

I thought you were above accusations like this.

Guess I was wrong.

So much for all that respect I’ve felt for you all these years…[/quote]

Way off, Chushin.

I didn’t even see your post. This stuff was posted WAY before I think you posted it.

So…nothing personally directed at you. If taken that way, I apologize.

Mufasa
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So who was being disingenuous then? Which poster was it? Or was the accusation of disingenuousness just a red herring thrown out to draw people off the scent of the horseshit you’re peddling about Pelosi and Obama?

Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.

When US President Barack Obama phoned Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Sunday night, in the middle of a security cabinet meeting, he ended any remaining doubt regarding his policy toward Israel and Hamas.

Obama called Netanyahu while the premier was conferring with his senior ministers about how to proceed in Gaza. Some ministers counseled that Israel should continue to limit our forces to specific pinpoint operations aimed at destroying the tunnels of death that Hamas has dug throughout Gaza and into Israeli territory.

Others argued that the only way to truly destroy the tunnels, and keep them destroyed, is for Israel to retake control over the Gaza Strip.

No ministers were recommending that Israel end its operations in Gaza completely. The longer our soldiers fight, the more we learn about the vast dimensions of the Hamas?s terror arsenal, and about the Muslim Brotherhood group?s plans and strategy for using it to destabilize, demoralize and ultimately destroy Israeli society.

The IDF?s discovery of Hamas?s Rosh Hashana plot was the last straw for any Israeli leftists still harboring fantasies about picking up our marbles and going home. Hamas?s plan to use its tunnels to send hundreds of terrorists into multiple Israeli border communities simultaneously and carry out a massacre of unprecedented scope, replete with the abduction of hostages to Gaza, was the rude awakening the Left had avoided since it pushed for Israel?s 2005 withdrawal from Gaza.

In other words, in their discussion Sunday night, Netanyahu and his ministers were without illusions about the gravity of the situation and the imperative of winning ? however defined.

But then the telephone rang. And Obama told Netanyahu that Israel must lose. He wants an unconditional ?humanitarian? cease-fire that will lead to a permanent one.

And he wants it now.

And by the way, the eventual terms of that cease-fire must include opening Hamas-controlled Gaza?s borders with Egypt and Israel and ending Israel?s maritime blockade of the Gaza coast. That is, the cease-fire must allow Hamas to rebuild its arsenal of death and destruction quickly, with US political and financial support.

Until Obama made the call, there was lingering doubt among some Israelis regarding his intentions. Some thought that US Secretary of State John Kerry might have been acting of his own accord last Friday night when he tried to force Israel to accept Hamas?s cease-fire terms.

But then Obama made his phone call. And all doubts were dispelled.

Kerry is just a loyal steward of Obama?s foreign policy.

Obama is siding with Hamas, and its Muslim Brotherhood patrons in Qatar and Turkey, against Israel, and its Sunni Arab supporters ? Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates.

It is Obama who demands that Hamas have open borders so it can resupply, and receive billions of dollars ? starting with an immediate cash injection of $47 million from US taxpayers ? so it can pay North Korea for more missiles and import building materials to reconstruct its tunnels.

The fact that the US?s current preference for genocidal, Jew-hating jihadists over the only liberal, pro-American, stable US ally in the Middle East is a White House position, rather than that of a rogue Secretary of State was actually exposed even before Obama?s phone call.

Sunday CNN?s Candy Crowley interviewed Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes. She asked him what the administration thinks Israel can do to prevent civilians from being killed in Gaza beyond what it is already doing. Rhodes replied, ?I think you can always do more.?

In other words, Rhodes said that no matter what precautions Israel takes to try to minimize Palestinian civilian deaths in Gaza, the administration will never be satisfied. The White House will never acknowledge that Israel is in the right, or that it is fighting a moral war against a barbaric foe. And since the administration will never be satisfied, Israel can expect to be condemned by various UN bodies, including the Security Council, because no matter what it does to try to earn the support of the administration, it will never receive such support.

The discovery that the Obama administration is entirely in Hamas?s corner hit all of Israel hard. But it hit the Left the hardest. Few on the Right, which recognized Obama?s hostility from the outset of his presidency, were surprised.

As for political leaders, the government cannot risk giving the administration justification for its anti-Israel policies, so senior ministers have all said nothing.

Consequently, the harshest criticisms of the administration?s pro-Hamas position were heard from quarters where rarely a peep of criticism for Obama has been heard.

-Caroline Glick

(Excerpt)

Read more:
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columni…-policy-369338

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
C’mon, Muf, I like you and you know that but your Pelosi defense is mindbogglingly and stupendously beyond the pale.[/quote]

Not defending her, Push.

But people on this Board are being disingenuous, (because I KNOW they know better…so it pisses me off) when they post stuff that they KNOW is Batshit…like Pelosi believing that Hamas is a Humanitarian organization…or that the President gets into Dick-Waving sessions when he is talking Privately with PM Netanyahu.

The President and Pelosi make enough legitimate mistakes without having to make shit up.

Mufasa[/quote]

If you are accusing me of posting that dialogue knowing that it was false, you can kiss my white you-know-what.

I may be less than fully informed, but I don’t fucking post lies knowingly.

I thought you were above accusations like this.

Guess I was wrong.

So much for all that respect I’ve felt for you all these years…[/quote]

Way off, Chushin.

I didn’t even see your post. This stuff was posted WAY before I think you posted it.

So…nothing personally directed at you. If taken that way, I apologize.

Mufasa
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So who was being disingenuous then? Which poster was it? Or was the accusation of disingenuousness just a red herring thrown out to draw people off the scent of the horseshit you’re peddling about Pelosi and Obama?[/quote]

This is the last I’m going to say; then I’m off this topic, SM.

  1. I think Pelosi is a lousy Politician…but I don’t believe she thinks that Hamas is a Humanitarian Organization.

  2. I don’t think the President gets into Dick-Waving arguments with PM Netanyahu…nor do I think he is Anti-Israel/ Pro-Hamas.

Others choose to believe those things…I don’t.

Move on.

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

This is the last I’m going to say; then I’m off this topic, SM.

  1. I think Pelosi is a lousy Politician…but I don’t believe she thinks that Hamas is a Humanitarian Organization.

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And as I said I don’t think she believes it either. Which makes her infinitely more culpable. What she is doing, in case you haven’t noticed is “courting” Hamas so to speak. This isn’t controversial stuff. She’s not a secret Muslim plotting to take over the world. The US is attempting to act as a mediator between Hamas and Israel. So Pelosi is trying to say “look, Hamas isn’t too bad. Let’s withdraw from Gaza eh Israel.” Clinton did the same thing with Arafat.

And because Pelosi is a far-left kook she saying crazy stuff like Hamas is a humanitarian group. A lot of people are rightly concerned about this moonbattery. Obama’s approval rating amongst conservative Christians is fantastically low. The Mormons are at 12% while Muslim approval rating of Obama is 72%. People who are concerned about radical Islam are outright alarmed about how the leader of the free world is dealing with.

Whether or not you believe that is one thing. But you dismiss the fact that many people have serious and legitimate concerns about the direction of US foreign policy. Look at who you’ve got - gunboat Kerry: a 60’s radical who falsely accused his fellow soldiers of murdering babies and so on. Obama: we all know about his background so let’s not pretend. And the CIA Director? Well he seems to have an “Eastern orientation” as Allen West would say:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/john-brennan-from-mecca-to-washington/

Well I don’t want to believe it mufasa believe me. But we can’t really keep pretending that these Quislings in the government are benign.

Thanks for the fair, even-handed reply, SM.

All of us can get a little heated and frustrated by this stuff; but I try to take a deep breath, look in the mirror, and call myself out if I’m wrong.

And I try to stay away from personal attacks if I can…but damn if “PWI” can’t bring it out sometimes!

I WILL take your advice…and keep trying to critically analyze these often complex circumstances (like the Middle East).

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Thanks for the fair, even-handed reply, SM.

All of us can get a little heated and frustrated by this stuff; but I try to take a deep breath, look in the mirror, and call myself out if I’m wrong.

And I try to stay away from personal attacks if I can…but damn if “PWI” can’t bring it out sometimes!

I WILL take your advice…and keep trying to critically analyze these often complex circumstances (like the Middle East).

Mufasa[/quote]

Yes sorry if I was a bit rude first off. No hard feelings.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

Very curious that “every person who saw picture in Britain” thought of the Irish when they looked at London being hit by missiles, since the last time London was hit by missiles was when the Nazis randomly dropped missiles all over civilians in London — in the exact same terror manner the arabs are dropping missiles all over Israel.[/quote]

Nope. People thought of Ireland because the conflict was an asymmetrical one with the ‘terrorist group’ having legitimate demands.

People mentioned Northern Ireland because they don’t know the meaning of “strained analogy.”

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

What you are claiming holds absoloutley no basis in reality, to deny the forced removal really is like denying the plight of the Native Americans and denying the Armenian genocide.
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Your own wikipedia account does not support your post. Two points:

  1. We’re not talking about the bulk of what is Israel and, most importantly, Tel-Aviv. That was all just bought.

  2. The Ben Gurion government begged the 700,000 Arabs in question to stay and become part of Israel, but they refused, and left AT THE BEHEST OF INVADING ARAB ARMIES OF JORDAN, EGYPT, ETC. and because they refused to live under Jewish rule. (Most local Arabs stayed and are normal citizens of Israel, just like anyone else.) [/quote]

So the choice was get the fuck out or become part of our settler state? And this is not violent or oppressive?

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No, Israel said they could have their own Arab state, right next to Israel. They did not have to leave and did not have to become part of Israel. The Arabs in question refused to permit Israel to exist along side their state. Most stayed. Those Arabs that stayed are the smart ones, given they have the highest incomes and education level in all the the Middle East.

To beef up this part of the argument you might wish to examine the very very generous definition of “Palestinian refugee” here:
http://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

By their own exclusive agency of course. The rest of the refugee plebs have to muck in und4er the auspices of the UNHCR. Only the Palis get their own private agency. Guess why?!

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
Stop with this ancient history [/quote]

Like I’ve said… You ignore history you dont’ like.

And have the nerve to insult Americans and call me a racist.

You are a clown. [/quote]

No but to accept the premise that ancient history is a basis for current demographic organization would mean you would have to accept and argue for the mass deportation of every single white American to Europe and a return of America to the natives. Same with Australia. Same with New Zealand.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

As I have already pointed out. Israel did not choose to displace them originally. The international community had moved to set up two separate states, Palestine and Israel with Jerusalem being shared and neutral. The Arabs refused and the surrounding nations, Jordan, Syria, and Egypt attacked. This led to a civil war between the Palestinians and the Israelis. Palestine was soundly defeated. If they didn’t want to suffer the effects of war, maybe they shouldn’t have started one.

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The Palestinians did not start a war. The states around Israel and Palestine attacked Israel, and so Israel took the opportunity to displace millions of Palestinians and occupy their land. The Palestinian people did nothing wrong. [/quote]

Actually they did. They fought on the losing side with their fellow Muslims, instead of allowing the Jews to live in peace.
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But the very creation of Israel was a violent colonialist action. In any case, most Palestinians did not fight, and the actions of a few men do not justify displacing women and children.

Its like kicking someone out of their house, moving in youself, and then wondering when your nieghbours attack you why you can’t ‘live in peace’.

Again, if the American government sold California to the Russians, would Russian settlers be entitled to kill and displace the people living in California?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.

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Americans have no need to be alarmed. The fact is there are 100s of millions of Muslims in the Middle East who control almost all the natural resources. In contrast, there are about 6 million Jews in the Middle East. Americans will get more out of siding with the Muslims than the Israeli’s tbh.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
In any case, most Palestinians did not fight,
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Pretty much the entirety of your post is wrong so I wont even bother going through it all. But I would like to ask how you know this?? This is something you pulled straight out of your ass that has no historical basis whatsoever. So I ask again, where did it come from??

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.

[/quote]

Americans have no need to be alarmed. The fact is there are 100s of millions of Muslims in the Middle East who control almost all the natural resources. In contrast, there are about 6 million Jews in the Middle East. Americans will get more out of siding with the Muslims than the Israeli’s tbh.[/quote]

Great moral compass.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.

[/quote]

Americans have no need to be alarmed. The fact is there are 100s of millions of Muslims in the Middle East who control almost all the natural resources. In contrast, there are about 6 million Jews in the Middle East. Americans will get more out of siding with the Muslims than the Israeli’s tbh.[/quote]

Since we have had all kinds of random questions from the other side in this thread… What is your stance on the Holocaust by the way?? Genuinely curious.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Creating “a Palestinian State for Palestinian[s]” has been offered repeatedly, and the arabs demand that said state encompass ALL of Israel and be Judenfrei.

So, no, creating such a state will not “cause peace” because the arabs do not want a limited state. They want the entire area of land that is Israel and they want all the Jewish residents expelled.

Not sure how many times you have to hear this.[/quote]

Don’t give them a choice , Set it up and be kind , No 2 sets of rules , no discrimination
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Palestine refuses. Now what?[/quote]

Well, Obama could unfriend them on Facebook, like he did to Putin.

Sends a message, that unfriending!

What a loser.[/quote]

Do you think Obama is a socialist or a muslim?
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He’s an Alinsky-ite.

In case you’re wondering, Saul Alinsky was a community organizer in the IRA. Born in the Shanhill Road district of west Belfast, he did most of his work in the Donegall Pass area where he is reputed to be responsible for hundreds of thousands of British deaths during the Troubles.

He also was a professor at Belfast’s St. Mary’s University where Barack Obama’s father, Sean, an Irish fisherman, majored in Russian literature. Sean was thus able to tutor young Bam in the ways of community organizing and launch him into his political career that has presently taken him to the Oval Office.

It really is an amazing story. Do you have any more of your own?[/quote]

This is true. Most people don’t realise that after Barack moved to Saudi Arabia he taught gender studies at the university of Riyadh and along with Osama bin Laden he organised radical feminist demonstrations where women took their gloves off and walked in the streets unaccompanied by male relatives. The Obama/Osama feminist/transgender nexus is key to understanding the motivations of the organiser in chief.[/quote]

Wow, this is just… Wow.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
But the very creation of Israel was a violent colonialist action. [/quote]

You have to be a troll. No one is that stupid or lies so boldly about things that can be googled. Or perhaps you live in a parallel universe.

But here in reality, as multiple, credible, links on this very thread show, most of Israel was purchased at market rates.

Indeed, ALL of Israel would have been purchased (and Israel would have been smaller), but outside Islamist armies attacked Israel, somehow lost (despite massive numerical and equipment superiority), resulting in lost territory.

Your lies are tedious, but predictable.