[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Not defending her, Push.
Mufasa[/quote]
You’re lying to yourself.
Again, so me where you said the same for Clay Akin.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Not defending her, Push.
Mufasa[/quote]
You’re lying to yourself.
Again, so me where you said the same for Clay Akin. [/quote]
I have NO idea what the hell you’re taking about, CB.
If this person said something stupid, then he is wrong.
Mufasa
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Hold up… Wasn’t the majority of the land purchased? Or am I wrong here?[/quote]
100% correct. The links are on this thread.
The Palestinians used to argue that the Jews were rich and they were poor, so the deal needs to be undone. Mind you, the Jews paid above-market value and were probably poorer than the local Arabs and just desperate, but that’s their original story.
Now, 80 years later, they just stick with: “we were invaded and displaced,” which is a complete fiction.
Too many people are too stupid and lazy to check.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Hold up… Wasn’t the majority of the land purchased? Or am I wrong here?[/quote]
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/270064/not-stealing-palestine-purchasing-israel-daniel-pipes
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Hold up… Wasn’t the majority of the land purchased? Or am I wrong here?[/quote]
I know you love my cartoons
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:
To compare a few thousand rockets fired by Arabs [/quote]
You say this like it isn’t a big deal.
I’ll tell you what, if Canada fired “a few thousand rockets” into New York, let alone an equivalent amount of American, the reaction would be swifter, harsher and result in one of the most gruesome counter strikes the world has seen, in about 96 mins. We’d have a lifetime supply of maple syrup by the end of the week. And no one would say a word.
Israel is somehow a racist according to dolts here for the same thing. [/quote]
THIS
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You ct as though Humas is more than a terrorist organization . If some faction let’s say the Tea Party launched rockets at US , we would go in , boots on the ground and minimize collateral damage , WE WOULD NOT BE BLOWING UP SCHOOLS just because Sara Palin and her army were camped by the school 
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Boots on the ground? Where do you think the Israeli troops are getting killed at? Here is todays news
- Gaza fired 27 rockets at Israel during a ceasefire causing it to end
- 3 IDF solders killed… IN GAZA
So they have boots on the ground, when they stop firing they get fired back at. What would you like them to do now mr pitt?
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boots on the ground kicking in doors to make sure you are not killing babies .
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You act as though Humas is more than a terrorist organization
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They’re the elected government of Palestine…
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
boots on the ground kicking in doors to make sure you are not killing babies .
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hmmm. Do you retract all the police abuse videos you post then?
WTF is it about Israel that literally causes the leftist mind to lose whatever small grasp on reality that they previously had?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You ct as though Humas is more than a terrorist organization . If some faction let’s say the Tea Party launched rockets at US , we would go in , boots on the ground and minimize collateral damage , WE WOULD NOT BE BLOWING UP SCHOOLS just because Sara Palin and her army were camped by the school
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Sorry, but as usual your bias is completely fucked up and you blew your own skirt up over your own head.
a) The Tea Party is made up of Americans and not a separate state, your analogy sucks, but that is nothing new.
b) Historically domestic terrorists have been radical leftist not constitutionalists. Obama’s buddy Bill can tell you all about it, but you’ll ignore these facts like you always do. [/quote]
you may not like my analogy , but oh well , what’s new . If Gaza had a Government , it would be a failed ,State,City or what ever it is . The point is that it is failed ,
Gaza is a Prison , Israel is in the process of shooting fish in a barrel
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
boots on the ground kicking in doors to make sure you are not killing babies .
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Having been in two war zones and watched savages strap their own babies to their chest to use as shields, I can attest boots on the ground does not particularly help with this process.
Similarly, the little kid whose face I kicked in because he pointed an AK-47 at me after I broke down a door was not particularly unhurt, albeit I didn’t kill him.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
boots on the ground kicking in doors to make sure you are not killing babies .
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hmmm. Do you retract all the police abuse videos you post then?
WTF is it about Israel that literally causes the leftist mind to lose whatever small grasp on reality that they previously had?[/quote]
I was hoping America was NOT at war with it’s Citizens . It is a pretty good analogy though , if you were my neighbor and I was bu8rning a blunt on my patio and the blew up your house , That would be fucking awesome HUH ?
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Hold up… Wasn’t the majority of the land purchased? Or am I wrong here?[/quote]
100% correct. The links are on this thread.
The Palestinians used to argue that the Jews were rich and they were poor, so the deal needs to be undone. Mind you, the Jews paid above-market value and were probably poorer than the local Arabs and just desperate, but that’s their original story.
Now, 80 years later, they just stick with: “we were invaded and displaced,” which is a complete fiction.
Too many people are too stupid and lazy to check.[/quote]
Okay, well dude kept saying things that implied otherwise, I was confused for a second.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:
The comparison just does not fit, one is a tiny resistance force, their land was taken and the natives forced out to make way for a jewish state… to do things like force palestinians off their land and kill lots of them. …
When you force millions off land. . .[/quote]
You are operating with bad facts.
You need to read this thread carefully. Palestinians were not forced from their land and it was not stolen and millions have not been killed by Israel.
The three biggest points:
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The land that is Israel was largely purchased from one private citizen to another. In particular, look at the testimony of the Grand Mufti on this very thread.
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The West Bank, Gaza, etc, used to be mixed areas of all local religions, and the Muslims killed the Jews in the first part of the 1900s.
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The Arabs that are now called “Palestinians” largely immigrated to what-is-now Israel to find work from Jewish people in the British Mandate. To the extent they were “displaced” it was by the Arab armies in 1967. The Jews did not slaughter them and there were no large murders of Arabs by Israelis. (Now, the Jordanians and Egyptians have killed in the hundreds of thousands, but no one cares about that.)
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As a born-on-the-reservation Apache, I tend to side on the side of people claiming their native land was stolen. It hits close to home. Well, after due consideration, I find the claims of the so-called Palestinians to be complete bullshit.
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What you are claiming holds absoloutley no basis in reality, to deny the forced removal really is like denying the plight of the Native Americans and denying the Armenian genocide.
80% were forefully removed from their homes.
From wikipedia with sources:
The exact number of refugees is a matter of dispute.[7] But around 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of what became Israel (50 percent of the Arab total of Mandatory Palestine) left or were expelled from their homes.[8][9] The causes are also a subject of fundamental disagreement between Arabs and Israelis. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, attacks against Arab villages and fears of another massacre after Deir Yassin,[10]:239â??240 which caused many to leave out of panic; expulsion orders by Zionist authorities; the voluntary self-removal of the wealthier classes,[11] the collapse in Palestinian leadership,[12] and an unwillingness to live under Jewish control.[13] Later, a series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented them from returning to their homes, or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees.[14][15] Later in the war, Palestinians were expelled as part of Plan Dalet.[16][citation needed] The expulsion of the Palestinians has since been described by some historians as ethnic cleansing,[17][18][19] while others dispute this charge.[20][21][22]
[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:
What you are claiming holds absoloutley no basis in reality, to deny the forced removal really is like denying the plight of the Native Americans and denying the Armenian genocide.
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Your own wikipedia account does not support your post. Two points:
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We’re not talking about the bulk of what is Israel and, most importantly, Tel-Aviv. That was all just bought.
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The Ben Gurion government begged the 700,000 Arabs in question to stay and become part of Israel, but they refused, and left AT THE BEHEST OF INVADING ARAB ARMIES OF JORDAN, EGYPT, ETC. and because they refused to live under Jewish rule. (Most local Arabs stayed and are normal citizens of Israel, just like anyone else.)
I will make my statement and curious about others opinions
All Blood is Equal
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Gaza is a Prison
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A prison with Wal-Marts, a Gallaria-style shopping mall, multiple 5-star hotels, and all sorts of restaurants, white sand beaches, and amusements.
Oh, and you are pretty much free to come-and-go, provided you don’t bring in bomb making stuff or don’t cross the border with bombs.
I get a different picture of “prison” when I think of “prison.”
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:
What you are claiming holds absoloutley no basis in reality, to deny the forced removal really is like denying the plight of the Native Americans and denying the Armenian genocide.
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Your own wikipedia account does not support your post. Two points:
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We’re not talking about the bulk of what is Israel and, most importantly, Tel-Aviv. That was all just bought.
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The Ben Gurion government begged the 700,000 Arabs in question to stay and become part of Israel, but they refused, and left AT THE BEHEST OF INVADING ARAB ARMIES OF JORDAN, EGYPT, ETC. and because they refused to live under Jewish rule. (Most local Arabs stayed and are normal citizens of Israel, just like anyone else.) [/quote]
So the choice was get the fuck out or become part of our settler state? And this is not violent or oppressive?
I support israel’s right to exist and think most of its military actions are justifiable compared to other states actions, but what you are doing is trying to whitewash the historical injustices that lead to the hatred we see today.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You act as though Humas is more than a terrorist organization
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They’re the elected government of Palestine…[/quote]
lol… I give up.
It isn’t even reality in here.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The vast majority of current Palestinians, and their parents and grandparents, arrived well after Israel became a state and were a result of Arab displacement. They had NEVER resided in Palestine before. Never.
Undeniable fact.[/quote]
says who ?