Escalation in Israel

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

I do disagree. It’s not just some arab Palestinians who participate and support in the murder of Israeli citizens. Polls show upwards of 80% of Palestinians support Hamas whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. When a vast majority of a people support violence, it is more than fair to hold the entire group in contempt.
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I’ll raise your dead kid, whose killers will be held responsible, by three dead kids whose killers will be celebrated and protected.

Nope. Not to the 20 percent it isn’t. And not when you’re talking about a dead kid.[/quote]

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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

I do disagree. It’s not just some arab Palestinians who participate and support in the murder of Israeli citizens. Polls show upwards of 80% of Palestinians support Hamas whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. When a vast majority of a people support violence, it is more than fair to hold the entire group in contempt.
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If so, then why do you capitalize “Palestinian”?

EDIT: a term that you’ll notice Jewbacca never, ever uses.

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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

I do disagree. It’s not just some arab Palestinians who participate and support in the murder of Israeli citizens. Polls show upwards of 80% of Palestinians support Hamas whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. When a vast majority of a people support violence, it is more than fair to hold the entire group in contempt.
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I’ll raise your dead kid, whose killers will be held responsible, by three dead kids whose killers will be celebrated and protected.

Nope. Not to the 20 percent it isn’t. And not when you’re talking about a dead kid.[/quote]
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But not by the 20 percent, yeah?

Edit: And none of that is a reflection upon the kid, right?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

You know what doesn’t happen all the time on here? Someone admitting a mistake, followed by a civil acknowledgement of said admission rather than using an isolated incident to invalidate everything from the mistaken poster for the rest of his existence. [/quote]

I find it interesting that in your hypothetical scenario you use the masculine pronoun “his.” This is evidence of your passive aggressive response to the increasing fluidity of gender roles and the diminution of patriarchal systems of oppression by cisgender supremacists.[/quote]

Win.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

You know what doesn’t happen all the time on here? Someone admitting a mistake, followed by a civil acknowledgement of said admission rather than using an isolated incident to invalidate everything from the mistaken poster for the rest of his existence. [/quote]

I find it interesting that in your hypothetical scenario you use the masculine pronoun “his.” This is evidence of your passive aggressive response to the increasing fluidity of gender roles and the diminution of patriarchal systems of oppression by cisgender supremacists.[/quote]

Win.
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You guys are mistaken. DB is a 49er’s fan. So he obviously has no problems with blurred gender roles.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Well, the one thing I DO disagree with is this whole idea of moral equivalency. It’s not my place to decide what is and isn’t moral. That is God’s purview, not mine or yours.[/quote]
Do you believe in God? What about people who don’t? Imo that puts the moral equivalency ball back in the individual’s court.[/quote]

Do you think that Jewbacca is one of the people who doesn’t believe in God?[/quote]
Well sure he does, but what about us? Who decides moral equivalency for us? Aren’t you just using God as some kind of get out of jail free card? I mean what’s wrong with having an opinion on morality? If I don’t let God decide (not that he would communicate his verdict to me anyway) then who is to decide for me? Some other person? They’re probably an idiot. May as well make that decision for myself and you for yourself. Nothing wrong with agreeing with Jewbacca that there is no moral equivalency between Israel and Palestine on this.[/quote]

You’re right, except that there IS something wrong with someone arguing about moral equivalency when they believe in God. I’m not arguing with you about moral equivalency. I’m arguing that Jewbacca, given everything else that he believes, is simply distorting morality to serve his purposes. It’s intellectual dishonesty on his part. I have never claimed to be intellectually honest in all of my affairs, but I also admit as much. Jewbacca should do the same, preferably in the same post that he answers why he refused to capitalize “Muslim”.

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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I’ll have one post on this.

First, contrast the kidnapping/murder of the 3 Yeshiva students (one of which is American) and the murder of the arab boy.

The arab officials celebrating the kidnapping, the muslim religious leaders celebrated the murders, the arab media celebrated teh kidnappings, the arab population celebrated the kidnappings, and they generally thought the murder of the 3 boys was great. They sheltered the killers. In short, it was not a "fringe’ part of the arabs. It was mainstream.

The murder of the arab boy, in contrast, was condemned for what it was — murder — by the Israeli government, religious leaders, media, and people. The Israeli police arrested the alleged murderers and they are sure to face justice.

The arabs don’t care, however.

In fact, one of the mothers of 3 Yeshiva boys tried to come by with flowers for the mother of the arab boy; she was turned away by rock throwers. The arab boy’s mother was on the BBC yesterday saying she “didn’t want flowers; she wanted dead Jews.”

So, yes, there is no moral equivalency here.

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Regarding the lie that Israel does not want peace or a PA state. Well, a PA state has been offered hundreds of times. In fact, it started out that way — a PA state and a Jewish state.

The arabs flatly refused to permit a Jewish state to exist and continue to refuse today.

That is the sole serious issue; the rest could be handled by a couple of surveyors, some emails, a couple of real estate appraisals, and a little cash going both ways to private landowners. Texas and Oklahoma have more complicated land owning issues along the Red River.
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Your refusal to capitalize Arabs or Muslims tells me all I need to know about your stance.[/quote]

Would you show respect to a group of people who murdered your family? Moron.
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No, that’s why I never capitalize “asian,” because my uncle was killed in vietnam (also not capitalized).

More importantly, if one is describing the murder of a kid, and, in an attempt at belittlement, one intentionally refuses to capitalize a proper-noun descriptor of the victim’s ethnicity while at the same time capitalizing other proper nouns correctly, one is a legitimate target of criticism.

Moron.

[I say this while agreeing with the pro-Israel position in this thread.]

Edited to temper undue harshness[/quote]

You believe there is a moral equivalency between blowing up civilians on a bus and killing an enemy soldier on a battlefield? Really?
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No, I believe that it is stupid to hold races and groups responsible for the things some of their members do. Really.

Again, If one is describing the murder of a kid, and, in an attempt at belittlement, one intentionally refuses to capitalize a proper-noun descriptor of the victim’s ethnicity while at the same time capitalizing other proper nouns correctly, one is a legitimate target of criticism.

You disagree?[/quote]

I do disagree. It’s not just some arab Palestinians who participate and support in the murder of Israeli citizens. Polls show upwards of 80% of Palestinians support Hamas whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. When a vast majority of a people support violence, it is more than fair to hold the entire group in contempt.
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Oh boy. I can’t wait to pull this one out at a later date and bash you over the head with it. Polls showed that Southern whites in the first half of the 20th century were overwhelmingly racist. So, all of your relatives who lived in the South then were racists by definition. Is that how it works?

You’re also forgetting that the words he refused to capitalize were “Arab” and “Muslim”, not Palestinian. Try applying your logic to Arabs and Muslims.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Jewbacca should do the same, preferably in the same post that he answers why he refused to capitalize “Muslim”.[/quote]
Maybe he doesn’t recognize it as a legitimate religion. Maybe it makes him feel good. Who knows? Why keep bringing it up? I guess there is a larger point you are trying to make regarding this about the attitudes of Israelis as a whole.

Otherwise you may as well just make a new thread on policing people on the internet who may hypothetically offend a group of people that isn’t even represented in the audience.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

I do disagree. It’s not just some arab Palestinians who participate and support in the murder of Israeli citizens. Polls show upwards of 80% of Palestinians support Hamas whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. When a vast majority of a people support violence, it is more than fair to hold the entire group in contempt.
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If so, then why do you capitalize “Palestinian”?

EDIT: a term that you’ll notice Jewbacca never, ever uses.[/quote]

There is a Palestinian state so I used the proper noun. I can’t control what Jewbacca writes. I have no problem with how he writes though. I won’t hold my breath while someone finds a post where DB berates any other poster for his perceived improper use of capitalizing nouns.

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You guys sure know how to derail a thread.

I think it all comes down to superior firepower. Israel has tanks, planes, nukes, etc… Palestine has stones, small arms and rockets. If they are stupid enough to poke the bull, why the fuck is anyone surprised when they get the horns?

I am no big fan of the US “blindly” supporting Israel financially when they are publicly disrespectful to us - I’ve made my point about that in another thread. But regarding THIS issue, I think Israel is well within it’s rights bomb the Palestinians back to the stone age. If a country is SUPPORTING the practice of firing rockets into another country, then they are an active partner in that attack. They should face the consequences. I think Israel should take this “opportunity” and crush their enemy. Seriously. At this point, it’s the only way there will ever be peace. If the Palestinians are too stupid to realize they are out gunned, then let evolution weed them out of existence.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Jewbacca should do the same, preferably in the same post that he answers why he refused to capitalize “Muslim”.[/quote]
Maybe he doesn’t recognize it as a legitimate religion. Maybe it makes him feel good. Who knows? Why keep bringing it up? I guess there is a larger point you are trying to make regarding this about the attitudes of Israelis as a whole.

Otherwise you may as well just make a new thread on policing people on the internet who may hypothetically offend a group of people that isn’t even represented in the audience.[/quote]

My point is this, and I’ve already made it: Jewbacca argues that it’s the Palestinians who don’t want a state since they have rejected every Israeli proposal to create one. If Jewbacca’s blatant disrespect of all Arabs and Muslims by passively-aggressively denigrating them is indicative of Israeli attitudes in general (and I suspect that it is) then I don’t blame Palestinians for refusing to accept a state under Israeli terms. I wouldn’t expect blacks to accept civil rights legislature from a group who refers to them as “niggers”.

Like I said earlier, don’t sell me the hooker with the heart of gold. That is essentially what Jewbacca is doing, and he compounds things further by claiming to be a devout worshipper of God/Yahweh on the one hand while arguing about moral equivalency on the other.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
You guys sure know how to derail a thread.

I think it all comes down to superior firepower. Israel has tanks, planes, nukes, etc… Palestine has stones, small arms and rockets. If they are stupid enough to poke the bull, why the fuck is anyone surprised when they get the horns?

I am no big fan of the US “blindly” supporting Israel financially when they are publicly disrespectful to us - I’ve made my point about that in another thread. But regarding THIS issue, I think Israel is well within it’s rights bomb the Palestinians back to the stone age. If a country is SUPPORTING the practice of firing rockets into another country, then they are an active partner in that attack. They should face the consequences. I think Israel should take this “opportunity” and crush their enemy. Seriously. At this point, it’s the only way there will ever be peace. If the Palestinians are too stupid to realize they are out gunned, then let evolution weed them out of existence. [/quote]

Why is it that the Israelis are hitting Hamas compounds NOW, though? If they knew these things were there, why weren’t they hitting them earlier? I’m genuinely curious about this. I turn on the news and see what are most likely American-made missiles or other materiel being used to destroy these Hamas strongholds, and I think to myself, “shit, if they knew they were there, what the fuck took them so long to bomb them into the Stone Age?”

I certainly don’t disagree that they have the right to defend themselves from rocket attacks.

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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

I do disagree. It’s not just some arab Palestinians who participate and support in the murder of Israeli citizens. Polls show upwards of 80% of Palestinians support Hamas whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. When a vast majority of a people support violence, it is more than fair to hold the entire group in contempt.
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If so, then why do you capitalize “Palestinian”?

EDIT: a term that you’ll notice Jewbacca never, ever uses.[/quote]

There is a Palestinian state so I used the proper noun. I can’t control what Jewbacca writes. I have no problem with how he writes though. I won’t hold my breath while someone finds a post where DB berates any other poster for his perceived improper use of capitalizing nouns.
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And I won’t hold my breath while someone finds a post where you DIDN’T piggyback onto someone else’s argument instead of thinking for yourself. You’re a lemming.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I’ll have one post on this.

First, contrast the kidnapping/murder of the 3 Yeshiva students (one of which is American) and the murder of the arab boy.

The arab officials celebrating the kidnapping, the muslim religious leaders celebrated the murders, the arab media celebrated teh kidnappings, the arab population celebrated the kidnappings, and they generally thought the murder of the 3 boys was great. They sheltered the killers. In short, it was not a "fringe’ part of the arabs. It was mainstream.

The murder of the arab boy, in contrast, was condemned for what it was — murder — by the Israeli government, religious leaders, media, and people. The Israeli police arrested the alleged murderers and they are sure to face justice.

The arabs don’t care, however.

In fact, one of the mothers of 3 Yeshiva boys tried to come by with flowers for the mother of the arab boy; she was turned away by rock throwers. The arab boy’s mother was on the BBC yesterday saying she “didn’t want flowers; she wanted dead Jews.”

So, yes, there is no moral equivalency here.

++++++++++

Regarding the lie that Israel does not want peace or a PA state. Well, a PA state has been offered hundreds of times. In fact, it started out that way — a PA state and a Jewish state.

The arabs flatly refused to permit a Jewish state to exist and continue to refuse today.

That is the sole serious issue; the rest could be handled by a couple of surveyors, some emails, a couple of real estate appraisals, and a little cash going both ways to private landowners. Texas and Oklahoma have more complicated land owning issues along the Red River.
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Your refusal to capitalize Arabs or Muslims tells me all I need to know about your stance.[/quote]

Would you show respect to a group of people who murdered your family? Moron.
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No, that’s why I never capitalize “asian,” because my uncle was killed in vietnam (also not capitalized).

More importantly, if one is describing the murder of a kid, and, in an attempt at belittlement, one intentionally refuses to capitalize a proper-noun descriptor of the victim’s ethnicity while at the same time capitalizing other proper nouns correctly, one is a legitimate target of criticism.

Moron.

[I say this while agreeing with the pro-Israel position in this thread.]

Edited to temper undue harshness[/quote]

You believe there is a moral equivalency between blowing up civilians on a bus and killing an enemy soldier on a battlefield? Really?
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No, I believe that it is stupid to hold races and groups responsible for the things some of their members do. Really.

Again, If one is describing the murder of a kid, and, in an attempt at belittlement, one intentionally refuses to capitalize a proper-noun descriptor of the victim’s ethnicity while at the same time capitalizing other proper nouns correctly, one is a legitimate target of criticism.

You disagree?[/quote]

I do disagree. It’s not just some arab Palestinians who participate and support in the murder of Israeli citizens. Polls show upwards of 80% of Palestinians support Hamas whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. When a vast majority of a people support violence, it is more than fair to hold the entire group in contempt.
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Oh boy. I can’t wait to pull this one out at a later date and bash you over the head with it. Polls showed that Southern whites in the first half of the 20th century were overwhelmingly racist. So, all of your relatives who lived in the South then were racists by definition. Is that how it works?

You’re also forgetting that the words he refused to capitalize were “Arab” and “Muslim”, not Palestinian. Try applying your logic to Arabs and Muslims. [/quote]

You’re still engaging in moral relativism. Whilst in the South there would’ve been plenty of people who held views such as “I don’t think blacks should marry whites,” “I believe in racial segregation” and “I think blacks are only suited to menial work” - you would be hard pressed to find too many people who believed “I think blacks should all be exterminated.”

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

I am no big fan of the US “blindly” supporting Israel financially when they are publicly disrespectful to us… [/quote]

I know right? It’s like your wife talking back to you in front of your friends. Take her credit cards away for a few weeks and see how she likes that.

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Incidentally, as a followup to my previous post about capitalisation and geography, from which geographical region did the Hebrews originally come? For that matter, what does “Hebrew” actually mean? I had assumed that because the word 'ivri was first used to refer to Abraham in Genesis 14:13, that his name itself provided the etymology of the word. But now I see that can’t be. Ab Raham means “Father of Many”, and as such, uses a completely different root word as does 'ivri. But there is Genesis 14:13, calling Abraham a Hebrew. And if Abraham was a Hebrew, wouldn’t all his descendants be? Including the descendants of Ishmael?

Isn’t a Hebrew, etymologically at least, any Semite (descendant of Shem) who is also a descendant of Eber (son of Shem)? Eber, by the way, is the first named character in the Bible (notice capitalisation) whose name does use the same root as 'ivri, which is of course ayin-beth-resh.

What I find fascinating is that the meaning of words containing the ayin-beth-resh root all imply transience or passage.

Does this mean that Hebrews aren’t actually “from” anywhere, but have always been “just passing through”? Like a nomad?

What I also find fascinating is that the ayin-beth-resh root is pronounced 'ain-beh-ro in another Semitic language, also implies transience or passage, and is probably the root of the word “Arab”.

Wouldn’t that be something?

Anyway, hijack over. Carry on.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I’ll have one post on this.

First, contrast the kidnapping/murder of the 3 Yeshiva students (one of which is American) and the murder of the arab boy.

The arab officials celebrating the kidnapping, the muslim religious leaders celebrated the murders, the arab media celebrated teh kidnappings, the arab population celebrated the kidnappings, and they generally thought the murder of the 3 boys was great. They sheltered the killers. In short, it was not a "fringe’ part of the arabs. It was mainstream.

The murder of the arab boy, in contrast, was condemned for what it was — murder — by the Israeli government, religious leaders, media, and people. The Israeli police arrested the alleged murderers and they are sure to face justice.

The arabs don’t care, however.

In fact, one of the mothers of 3 Yeshiva boys tried to come by with flowers for the mother of the arab boy; she was turned away by rock throwers. The arab boy’s mother was on the BBC yesterday saying she “didn’t want flowers; she wanted dead Jews.”

So, yes, there is no moral equivalency here.

++++++++++

Regarding the lie that Israel does not want peace or a PA state. Well, a PA state has been offered hundreds of times. In fact, it started out that way — a PA state and a Jewish state.

The arabs flatly refused to permit a Jewish state to exist and continue to refuse today.

That is the sole serious issue; the rest could be handled by a couple of surveyors, some emails, a couple of real estate appraisals, and a little cash going both ways to private landowners. Texas and Oklahoma have more complicated land owning issues along the Red River.
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Your refusal to capitalize Arabs or Muslims tells me all I need to know about your stance.[/quote]

Would you show respect to a group of people who murdered your family? Moron.
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No, that’s why I never capitalize “asian,” because my uncle was killed in vietnam (also not capitalized).

More importantly, if one is describing the murder of a kid, and, in an attempt at belittlement, one intentionally refuses to capitalize a proper-noun descriptor of the victim’s ethnicity while at the same time capitalizing other proper nouns correctly, one is a legitimate target of criticism.

Moron.

[I say this while agreeing with the pro-Israel position in this thread.]

Edited to temper undue harshness[/quote]

You believe there is a moral equivalency between blowing up civilians on a bus and killing an enemy soldier on a battlefield? Really?
[/quote]

No, I believe that it is stupid to hold races and groups responsible for the things some of their members do. Really.

Again, If one is describing the murder of a kid, and, in an attempt at belittlement, one intentionally refuses to capitalize a proper-noun descriptor of the victim’s ethnicity while at the same time capitalizing other proper nouns correctly, one is a legitimate target of criticism.

You disagree?[/quote]

I do disagree. It’s not just some arab Palestinians who participate and support in the murder of Israeli citizens. Polls show upwards of 80% of Palestinians support Hamas whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. When a vast majority of a people support violence, it is more than fair to hold the entire group in contempt.
[/quote]

Oh boy. I can’t wait to pull this one out at a later date and bash you over the head with it. Polls showed that Southern whites in the first half of the 20th century were overwhelmingly racist. So, all of your relatives who lived in the South then were racists by definition. Is that how it works?

You’re also forgetting that the words he refused to capitalize were “Arab” and “Muslim”, not Palestinian. Try applying your logic to Arabs and Muslims. [/quote]

My relatives, at least as far as my family tree has been researched, lived in ohio, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. Some of them died in southern prisons after being wounded in battle. i, personally, have loved the south any time i have visited despite that fact. The history of southern racism does not affect me currently. If your family was murdered by the Bloods or Crips, would you offend yourself by using lowercase letters when referring to them? Are you of muslim or arab descent? Are you offended on behalf of the native americans for the name washington redskins? Are you nit-picking grammatical rules to hide feelings of anti-Semitism?

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Jewbacca should do the same, preferably in the same post that he answers why he refused to capitalize “Muslim”.[/quote]
Maybe he doesn’t recognize it as a legitimate religion. Maybe it makes him feel good. Who knows? Why keep bringing it up? I guess there is a larger point you are trying to make regarding this about the attitudes of Israelis as a whole.

Otherwise you may as well just make a new thread on policing people on the internet who may hypothetically offend a group of people that isn’t even represented in the audience.[/quote]

My point is this, and I’ve already made it: Jewbacca argues that it’s the Palestinians who don’t want a state since they have rejected every Israeli proposal to create one. If Jewbacca’s blatant disrespect of all Arabs and Muslims by passively-aggressively denigrating them is indicative of Israeli attitudes in general (and I suspect that it is) then I don’t blame Palestinians for refusing to accept a state under Israeli terms. I wouldn’t expect blacks to accept civil rights legislature from a group who refers to them as “niggers”.

Like I said earlier, don’t sell me the hooker with the heart of gold. That is essentially what Jewbacca is doing, and he compounds things further by claiming to be a devout worshipper of God/Yahweh on the one hand while arguing about moral equivalency on the other.[/quote]

And yet blacks overwhelmingly support the political party that fought to keep them enslaved and then segregated.

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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
My relatives, at least as far as my family tree has been researched, lived in ohio, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. Some of them died in southern prisons after being wounded in battle. i, personally, have loved the south any time i have visited despite that fact. The history of southern racism does not affect me currently. If your family was murdered by the Bloods or Crips, would you offend yourself by using lowercase letters when referring to them? Are you of muslim or arab descent? Are you offended on behalf of the native americans for the name washington redskins? Are you nit-picking grammatical rules to hide feelings of anti-Semitism?
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If you did that deliberately (not capitalising any proper noun but “Crips”, “Bloods” and “Semitism”), then that was pretty funny.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

I do disagree. It’s not just some arab Palestinians who participate and support in the murder of Israeli citizens. Polls show upwards of 80% of Palestinians support Hamas whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. When a vast majority of a people support violence, it is more than fair to hold the entire group in contempt.
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If so, then why do you capitalize “Palestinian”?

EDIT: a term that you’ll notice Jewbacca never, ever uses.[/quote]

There is a Palestinian state so I used the proper noun. I can’t control what Jewbacca writes. I have no problem with how he writes though. I won’t hold my breath while someone finds a post where DB berates any other poster for his perceived improper use of capitalizing nouns.
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And I won’t hold my breath while someone finds a post where you DIDN’T piggyback onto someone else’s argument instead of thinking for yourself. You’re a lemming.[/quote]

Hahaha. I think you’ll find plenty of posts where I argued something that no one else did. I can’t help it if others also do not believe in global warming.