[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I don’t disagree with your facts so there is nothing for me to address there.[/quote]
Sounds like you’re done then mate.[/quote]
I’ll decide when I’m done.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I’ll have one post on this.
First, contrast the kidnapping/murder of the 3 Yeshiva students (one of which is American) and the murder of the arab boy.
The arab officials celebrating the kidnapping, the muslim religious leaders celebrated the murders, the arab media celebrated teh kidnappings, the arab population celebrated the kidnappings, and they generally thought the murder of the 3 boys was great. They sheltered the killers. In short, it was not a "fringe’ part of the arabs. It was mainstream.
The murder of the arab boy, in contrast, was condemned for what it was — murder — by the Israeli government, religious leaders, media, and people. The Israeli police arrested the alleged murderers and they are sure to face justice.
The arabs don’t care, however.
In fact, one of the mothers of 3 Yeshiva boys tried to come by with flowers for the mother of the arab boy; she was turned away by rock throwers. The arab boy’s mother was on the BBC yesterday saying she “didn’t want flowers; she wanted dead Jews.”
So, yes, there is no moral equivalency here.
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Regarding the lie that Israel does not want peace or a PA state. Well, a PA state has been offered hundreds of times. In fact, it started out that way — a PA state and a Jewish state.
The arabs flatly refused to permit a Jewish state to exist and continue to refuse today.
That is the sole serious issue; the rest could be handled by a couple of surveyors, some emails, a couple of real estate appraisals, and a little cash going both ways to private landowners. Texas and Oklahoma have more complicated land owning issues along the Red River.
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Your refusal to capitalize Arabs or Muslims tells me all I need to know about your stance.[/quote]
Your refusal to address the undisputed facts in my post, instead quibbling about proper capitalization on an internet message board, tells everyone here you have nothing to support your stance and only seek to distract from the fact that you have no response.[/quote]
Now you’re just trying to backtrack. I don’t disagree with your facts so there is nothing for me to address there. You’re just trying to play Sophist now rather than address the undisputed fact that you passively-aggressively denigrate all Muslims when you refuse to capitalize the term.[/quote]
No, my original post is what I meant and I have never waivered. It is you who went down the grammatical quibbles rabbit hole.
Glad you agree with the substance that there is no moral equivalency.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I’ll have one post on this.
First, contrast the kidnapping/murder of the 3 Yeshiva students (one of which is American) and the murder of the arab boy.
The arab officials celebrating the kidnapping, the muslim religious leaders celebrated the murders, the arab media celebrated teh kidnappings, the arab population celebrated the kidnappings, and they generally thought the murder of the 3 boys was great. They sheltered the killers. In short, it was not a "fringe’ part of the arabs. It was mainstream.
The murder of the arab boy, in contrast, was condemned for what it was — murder — by the Israeli government, religious leaders, media, and people. The Israeli police arrested the alleged murderers and they are sure to face justice.
The arabs don’t care, however.
In fact, one of the mothers of 3 Yeshiva boys tried to come by with flowers for the mother of the arab boy; she was turned away by rock throwers. The arab boy’s mother was on the BBC yesterday saying she “didn’t want flowers; she wanted dead Jews.”
So, yes, there is no moral equivalency here.
++++++++++
Regarding the lie that Israel does not want peace or a PA state. Well, a PA state has been offered hundreds of times. In fact, it started out that way — a PA state and a Jewish state.
The arabs flatly refused to permit a Jewish state to exist and continue to refuse today.
That is the sole serious issue; the rest could be handled by a couple of surveyors, some emails, a couple of real estate appraisals, and a little cash going both ways to private landowners. Texas and Oklahoma have more complicated land owning issues along the Red River.
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Your refusal to capitalize Arabs or Muslims tells me all I need to know about your stance.[/quote]
Would you show respect to a group of people who murdered your family? Moron.
[/quote]
I’d like to say it was some great conspiracy or political statement, but my well-worn 30 year old edition of Chicago Manual of Style tells me in Rule 7.33-34 not to capitalize names of groups unless based on a certain geographic (e.g., continents), national, or religious terms.
Hence:
blacks, whites, caucasians, orientals, arabs, semites, highlanders, aborigines
but cf:
Africans, Europeans, English, Asians, Egyptians, Israelis, Scots, Kenyans.
In sum, unless one considers the “pan-national arab nation” to be a nation, “arab” should be no more capitalized than “highlander.”
A perusal of the internet shows this rule is changing to favor capitalization in everything but “whites” who apparently do not deserve the honor of capitalization.
English is hard enough for me already; I’ll stick with the original manual and disregard the PC language police.[/quote]
Your interpretation of the Chicago Style requirements regarding capitalization is inaccurate anyways. Of course, I suspect you already knew this and are simply trying to backtrack, hence your refusal to capitalize Muslim. Arab is a term that originally refers to the majority population on the Arabian Peninsula. It’s etymological roots are in a geographical location. Highlanders would be capitalized if the term originally referred to people from Highland, even if the term has since become more generic than that.[/quote]
I’m looking at lower-case “arab” and “highlander” right here on page 247.
I do agree there is not much logic to the rule, but then, it’s English where “lead” rhymes with “read” and “read” rhymes with “lead” but “read” does not rhyme with “lead” and “lead” does not rhyme with “read.”
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Your manual is also 30 years old and out of date.
I’m still waiting for the explanation regarding Muslims. And don’t try to bullshit me with some typo/grammar/etymological argument.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Okay, fine. I overstepped things a bit. [/quote]
Cool, thank you for admitting it.
[quote]
Now where’s Jewbacca to admit the same? Do you not agree that it is very revealing of Jewbacca’s mindset when he does not capitalize Arabs and Muslims? Do you not agree that he has essentially lumped all Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims into the same category? [/quote]
I honestly don’t care. Enough people have and will continue to get on Jewbacca for his position that there’s no need for me to say anything.
I don’t have the first clue what either peoples (Israelis or Palestinian’s) want/feel/need/believe, which is why I refrained from commenting on situation.
[quote]
This is ridiculous. Do you not see the blatant hypocrisy in Jewbacca’s post? It’s beyond disingenuous sympathy that he is referring to and obviously his view of ALL Arabs and Muslims is tainted.[/quote]
Maybe it is. I’m sure you and others will continue to point that out (or make the case anyway) so there’s no reason for me to.
[quote]
I don’t blame him. I know that he has had friends and family who have been killed by Arabs. But don’t sit there and tell me all that bullshit about Jews bringing flowers and how Jews want a solution and the Palestinians don’t when you can’t even capitalize a proper noun referring to them. If his attitude is indicative of the general attitude in Israel, I don’t blame Palestinians for refusing a Palestinian state under Israeli terms. Clearly, they are considered second-class citizens there. What sort of democracy are we really propping up over there?[/quote]
That’s your opinion and that’s fine. I’m not here to argue one way or the other.
My point wasn’t to back Jewbacca or argue with you. It was to point out the hypocrisy in your post. Something that happens all the time on here and it drives me nuts.
That’s all.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I’ll have one post on this.
First, contrast the kidnapping/murder of the 3 Yeshiva students (one of which is American) and the murder of the arab boy.
The arab officials celebrating the kidnapping, the muslim religious leaders celebrated the murders, the arab media celebrated teh kidnappings, the arab population celebrated the kidnappings, and they generally thought the murder of the 3 boys was great. They sheltered the killers. In short, it was not a "fringe’ part of the arabs. It was mainstream.
The murder of the arab boy, in contrast, was condemned for what it was — murder — by the Israeli government, religious leaders, media, and people. The Israeli police arrested the alleged murderers and they are sure to face justice.
The arabs don’t care, however.
In fact, one of the mothers of 3 Yeshiva boys tried to come by with flowers for the mother of the arab boy; she was turned away by rock throwers. The arab boy’s mother was on the BBC yesterday saying she “didn’t want flowers; she wanted dead Jews.”
So, yes, there is no moral equivalency here.
++++++++++
Regarding the lie that Israel does not want peace or a PA state. Well, a PA state has been offered hundreds of times. In fact, it started out that way — a PA state and a Jewish state.
The arabs flatly refused to permit a Jewish state to exist and continue to refuse today.
That is the sole serious issue; the rest could be handled by a couple of surveyors, some emails, a couple of real estate appraisals, and a little cash going both ways to private landowners. Texas and Oklahoma have more complicated land owning issues along the Red River.
[/quote]
Your refusal to capitalize Arabs or Muslims tells me all I need to know about your stance.[/quote]
Your refusal to address the undisputed facts in my post, instead quibbling about proper capitalization on an internet message board, tells everyone here you have nothing to support your stance and only seek to distract from the fact that you have no response.[/quote]
Now you’re just trying to backtrack. I don’t disagree with your facts so there is nothing for me to address there. You’re just trying to play Sophist now rather than address the undisputed fact that you passively-aggressively denigrate all Muslims when you refuse to capitalize the term.[/quote]
No, my original post is what I meant and I have never waivered. It is you who went down the grammatical quibbles rabbit hole.
Glad you agree with the substance that there is no moral equivalency.
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Well, the one thing I DO disagree with is this whole idea of moral equivalency. It’s not my place to decide what is and isn’t moral. That is God’s purview, not mine or yours.
Now, explain your failure to capitalize Muslim on at least three different occasions.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Okay, fine. I overstepped things a bit. [/quote]
Cool, thank you for admitting it.
[quote]
Now where’s Jewbacca to admit the same? Do you not agree that it is very revealing of Jewbacca’s mindset when he does not capitalize Arabs and Muslims? Do you not agree that he has essentially lumped all Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims into the same category? [/quote]
I honestly don’t care. Enough people have and will continue to get on Jewbacca for his position that there’s no need for me to say anything.
I don’t have the first clue what either peoples (Israelis or Palestinian’s) want/feel/need/believe, which is why I refrained from commenting on situation.
[quote]
This is ridiculous. Do you not see the blatant hypocrisy in Jewbacca’s post? It’s beyond disingenuous sympathy that he is referring to and obviously his view of ALL Arabs and Muslims is tainted.[/quote]
Maybe it is. I’m sure you and others will continue to point that out (or make the case anyway) so there’s no reason for me to.
I didn’t even notice the capitalization or lack there of fwiw.
You know what doesn’t happen all the time on here? Someone admitting a mistake, followed by a civil acknowledgement of said admission rather than using an isolated incident to invalidate everything from the mistaken poster for the rest of his existence. Thank you for your civility.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Shall we parse every post for grammar and spelling?
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I would prefer not to. I think you understand that the point being made is not one about grammar. I also think you understand that the “if” implied uncertainty on my part.
And you should also note that I came here arguing against someone else, not you–someone who was, like DB, assuming that you were intentionally trying to belittle the dead child’s ethnicity and religion and called DB a moron for criticizing such.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Okay, fine. I overstepped things a bit. [/quote]
Cool, thank you for admitting it.
[quote]
Now where’s Jewbacca to admit the same? Do you not agree that it is very revealing of Jewbacca’s mindset when he does not capitalize Arabs and Muslims? Do you not agree that he has essentially lumped all Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims into the same category? [/quote]
I honestly don’t care. Enough people have and will continue to get on Jewbacca for his position that there’s no need for me to say anything.
I don’t have the first clue what either peoples (Israelis or Palestinian’s) want/feel/need/believe, which is why I refrained from commenting on situation.
[quote]
This is ridiculous. Do you not see the blatant hypocrisy in Jewbacca’s post? It’s beyond disingenuous sympathy that he is referring to and obviously his view of ALL Arabs and Muslims is tainted.[/quote]
Maybe it is. I’m sure you and others will continue to point that out (or make the case anyway) so there’s no reason for me to.
I didn’t even notice the capitalization or lack there of fwiw.
You know what doesn’t happen all the time on here? Someone admitting a mistake, followed by a civil acknowledgement of said admission rather than using an isolated incident to invalidate everything from the mistaken poster for the rest of his existence. Thank you for your civility.[/quote]
Yes, this was refreshing. And it is becoming rare.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Okay, fine. I overstepped things a bit. [/quote]
Cool, thank you for admitting it.
[quote]
Now where’s Jewbacca to admit the same? Do you not agree that it is very revealing of Jewbacca’s mindset when he does not capitalize Arabs and Muslims? Do you not agree that he has essentially lumped all Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims into the same category? [/quote]
I honestly don’t care. Enough people have and will continue to get on Jewbacca for his position that there’s no need for me to say anything.
I don’t have the first clue what either peoples (Israelis or Palestinian’s) want/feel/need/believe, which is why I refrained from commenting on situation.
[quote]
This is ridiculous. Do you not see the blatant hypocrisy in Jewbacca’s post? It’s beyond disingenuous sympathy that he is referring to and obviously his view of ALL Arabs and Muslims is tainted.[/quote]
Maybe it is. I’m sure you and others will continue to point that out (or make the case anyway) so there’s no reason for me to.
I didn’t even notice the capitalization or lack there of fwiw.
You know what doesn’t happen all the time on here? Someone admitting a mistake, followed by a civil acknowledgement of said admission rather than using an isolated incident to invalidate everything from the mistaken poster for the rest of his existence. Thank you for your civility.[/quote]
Yes, this was refreshing. And it is becoming rare.[/quote]
You’re quickly becoming my favorite poster in here.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You know what doesn’t happen all the time on here? Someone admitting a mistake, followed by a civil acknowledgement of said admission rather than using an isolated incident to invalidate everything from the mistaken poster for the rest of his existence. Thank you for your civility.[/quote]
Don’t mention it.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I don’t blame Israelis for their reaction. I don’t live there, never been, don’t plan on going anytime soon. So I can’t pretend to grasp their mindset. At the same time, why do we unequivocally back Israel? Sure, you’ll hear the occasional condemnation from politicians, but when push comes to shove, we’re still in their corner rather than sitting ringside as a passive spectator. What do we really stand to gain by supporting them, or anyone else in that region?
If we operate under the premise that extremist Jewish settlers like the ones responsible for this Palestinian boy’s death are no better than the Hamas supporters who are most likely responsible for the earlier kidnappings, shouldn’t we demand an immediate and unambiguous rejection of Jewish settlements the same way that we demand Arab governments condemn Hamas and Arab extremism? Shouldn’t we be threatening to withdraw aid to Israel the same way we removed it from Egypt?[/quote]
You’re much too old to be acting deliberately obtuse. How much have you heard on radical Judaism? Palestine is lousy with a crazy fucking religion. Palestine is way more dangerous to us than Israel. No sense in engaging politically correct bullshit just for the hell of it. You don’t hear about other religions going totally nuts the same way you do with radical Islam. Doesn’t matter how many reasonable ones there are, there’s enough unreasonable ones that for hundreds of years they’ve been making a problem of themselves. You back the side least likely to blow you the fuck up. It’s obvious and you understand it just as well as anyone so don’t pretend you can’t.[/quote]
They share a 140 mile border with Egypt that looks a heck of a lot like the old Berlin wall, built because the Egyptians don’t want these fanatics running roughshod over their country, blowing things up, and supporting the ousted radical religious parties.
For some reason, these discussion always give the Egyptians a pass.[/quote]
Most people don’t even know that so it’s more ignorance than giving the Egyptians a pass. Popular US media coverage generally doesn’t cover the details and intricacies of complex geopolitical topics.
But I generally agree that there’s not enough mention of the lack of tangible and effective support of Palestine from neighboring Arab states. It’s true that the surrounding Arab states do not want Palestinians entering their countries and refuse to let them become citizens. The Arab response would be that Palestine is their home so they should fight for it, and granting citizenship would undermine the Palestinian cause as it would encourage exodus from Palestine. I think that’s BS and the reality is that for all the tough talk from the major Arab states, they don’t do much to help Palestinians and probably don’t give a shit about them. For the leaders of Arab countries, it seems like Palestine is just a subversive buffer to give Israel headaches, as opposed to a just cause they believe in.
The other Arab states aren’t doing much and don’t want them in their countries, so it’s hypocritical for them to demonize Israel. I’d wager many Arabs have more racist attitudes toward Palestinians than most Israelis. I’d also wager a Palestinian citizen of Israel (Israel is ~25% Arab) leads a better life and is treated better than a Palestinian living in another Arab country.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You know what doesn’t happen all the time on here? Someone admitting a mistake, followed by a civil acknowledgement of said admission rather than using an isolated incident to invalidate everything from the mistaken poster for the rest of his existence. Thank you for your civility.[/quote]
Don’t mention it. [/quote]
Too late.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Well, the one thing I DO disagree with is this whole idea of moral equivalency. It’s not my place to decide what is and isn’t moral. That is God’s purview, not mine or yours.[/quote]
Do you believe in God? What about people who don’t? Imo that puts the moral equivalency ball back in the individual’s court.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Well, the one thing I DO disagree with is this whole idea of moral equivalency. It’s not my place to decide what is and isn’t moral. That is God’s purview, not mine or yours.[/quote]
Do you believe in God? What about people who don’t? Imo that puts the moral equivalency ball back in the individual’s court.[/quote]
Do you think that Jewbacca is one of the people who doesn’t believe in God?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Well, the one thing I DO disagree with is this whole idea of moral equivalency. It’s not my place to decide what is and isn’t moral. That is God’s purview, not mine or yours.[/quote]
Do you believe in God? What about people who don’t? Imo that puts the moral equivalency ball back in the individual’s court.[/quote]
Do you think that Jewbacca is one of the people who doesn’t believe in God?[/quote]
Well sure he does, but what about us? Who decides moral equivalency for us? Aren’t you just using God as some kind of get out of jail free card? I mean what’s wrong with having an opinion on morality? If I don’t let God decide (not that he would communicate his verdict to me anyway) then who is to decide for me? Some other person? They’re probably an idiot. May as well make that decision for myself and you for yourself. Nothing wrong with agreeing with Jewbacca that there is no moral equivalency between Israel and Palestine on this.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The murder of the arab boy, in contrast, was condemned for what it was — murder — by the Israeli government, religious leaders, media, and people. The Israeli police arrested
I’d like to say it was some great conspiracy or political statement, but my well-worn 30 year old edition of Chicago Manual of Style tells me in Rule 7.33-34 not to capitalize names of groups unless based on a certain geographic (e.g., continents), national, or religious terms.
Hence:
blacks, whites, caucasians, orientals, arabs, semites, highlanders, aborigines
but cf:
Africans, Europeans, English, Asians, Egyptians, Israelis, Scots, Kenyans.
In sum, unless one considers the “pan-national arab nation” to be a nation, “arab” should be no more capitalized than “highlander.”
A perusal of the internet shows this rule is changing to favor capitalization in everything but “whites” who apparently do not deserve the honor of capitalization.
English is hard enough for me already; I’ll stick with the original manual and disregard the PC language police.[/quote]
Interesting.
Well, I do have an interest in language, and nobody could accuse me of being PC, so allow me to address this from a slightly different angle. I know you hate getting sidetracked, But bear with me for a moment.
If we are going to use geography as a touchstone, I would suggest that we should capitalize “Caucasian” inasmuch as it originally referred to people native to the Caucasus Mountains, and as such is analogous to “African”. The term “Mongoloid” is no longer in very common parlance, but if it were, it should probably be capitalized as well, because it does refer to people associated (even if only by appearance) with the geographical region of Mongolia.
Here we run into a bump, though, because if Mongols (capitalized) come from Mongolia, Africans (capitalized) from Africa, and Patagonians (capitalized) from Patagonia, then what of the people who originally came from a geographical region known from antiquity as Arabia? We capitalize the name of their language, their alphabet, and the numbers derived from their number system. Why not the people themselves?
After all, a person who speaks Hebrew, writes Yiddish using the Hebrew alphabet, and wears a watch bearing Hebrew numerals, stands a good chance of being a Hebrew himself (or would that be hebrew?)
Similarly, an Israelite (capitalized) is a descendant of Jacob, renamed Israel. A Hamite (capitalized) is a descendant of Ham, a Levite (capitalized) is a descendant of Levi, and a Hashemite (capitalized) is a descendent of Hashim (though not, certainly, of Hashem). So why not capitalize the word semite, when the word applies to descendents of Shem, the ancestor of hebrews and arabs alike?
As for capitalization of the word muslim, that should be a no-brainer, unless of course we are comfortable with renderings such as buddhist, hindu, christian, and jew.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I’ll have one post on this.
First, contrast the kidnapping/murder of the 3 Yeshiva students (one of which is American) and the murder of the arab boy.
The arab officials celebrating the kidnapping, the muslim religious leaders celebrated the murders, the arab media celebrated teh kidnappings, the arab population celebrated the kidnappings, and they generally thought the murder of the 3 boys was great. They sheltered the killers. In short, it was not a "fringe’ part of the arabs. It was mainstream.
The murder of the arab boy, in contrast, was condemned for what it was — murder — by the Israeli government, religious leaders, media, and people. The Israeli police arrested the alleged murderers and they are sure to face justice.
The arabs don’t care, however.
In fact, one of the mothers of 3 Yeshiva boys tried to come by with flowers for the mother of the arab boy; she was turned away by rock throwers. The arab boy’s mother was on the BBC yesterday saying she “didn’t want flowers; she wanted dead Jews.”
So, yes, there is no moral equivalency here.
++++++++++
Regarding the lie that Israel does not want peace or a PA state. Well, a PA state has been offered hundreds of times. In fact, it started out that way — a PA state and a Jewish state.
The arabs flatly refused to permit a Jewish state to exist and continue to refuse today.
That is the sole serious issue; the rest could be handled by a couple of surveyors, some emails, a couple of real estate appraisals, and a little cash going both ways to private landowners. Texas and Oklahoma have more complicated land owning issues along the Red River.
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Your refusal to capitalize Arabs or Muslims tells me all I need to know about your stance.[/quote]
Would you show respect to a group of people who murdered your family? Moron.
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No, that’s why I never capitalize “asian,” because my uncle was killed in vietnam (also not capitalized).
More importantly, if one is describing the murder of a kid, and, in an attempt at belittlement, one intentionally refuses to capitalize a proper-noun descriptor of the victim’s ethnicity while at the same time capitalizing other proper nouns correctly, one is a legitimate target of criticism.
Moron.
[I say this while agreeing with the pro-Israel position in this thread.]
Edited to temper undue harshness[/quote]
You believe there is a moral equivalency between blowing up civilians on a bus and killing an enemy soldier on a battlefield? Really?
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No, I believe that it is stupid to hold races and groups responsible for the things some of their members do. Really.
Again, If one is describing the murder of a kid, and, in an attempt at belittlement, one intentionally refuses to capitalize a proper-noun descriptor of the victim’s ethnicity while at the same time capitalizing other proper nouns correctly, one is a legitimate target of criticism.
You disagree?[/quote]
I do disagree. It’s not just some arab Palestinians who participate and support in the murder of Israeli citizens. Polls show upwards of 80% of Palestinians support Hamas whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. When a vast majority of a people support violence, it is more than fair to hold the entire group in contempt.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You’re quickly becoming my favorite poster in here. [/quote]
That’s mighty kind of you sir. I always knew, deep down, that you’d made jump.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
I do disagree. It’s not just some arab Palestinians who participate and support in the murder of Israeli citizens. Polls show upwards of 80% of Palestinians support Hamas whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. When a vast majority of a people support violence, it is more than fair to hold the entire group in contempt.
[/quote]
Nope. Not to the 20 percent it isn’t. And not when you’re talking about a dead kid.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You know what doesn’t happen all the time on here? Someone admitting a mistake, followed by a civil acknowledgement of said admission rather than using an isolated incident to invalidate everything from the mistaken poster for the rest of his existence. [/quote]
I find it interesting that in your hypothetical scenario you use the masculine pronoun “his.” This is evidence of your passive aggressive response to the increasing fluidity of gender roles and the diminution of patriarchal systems of oppression by cisgender supremacists.