[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
Were the Hutu’s and the Tutsi’s racist and in a racist conflict? Yes. Were they in fact exactly the same and equally human? Yes. Where did the diea of race come from? Belguim colonialists told them they were a different race and what race was.
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Is it any wonder that people think cultural Marxists are batshit? The Africans were living peaceful lives until the evil white colonialists came and taught them to hate each other based race? WTF?
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[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
The Israeli law of return unequivocally cements race at the center of the narrative.
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How so? The majority of Mizrahim are of Arab descent are they not?
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Nope. Mizrahim are not Arabs who have converted to Judaism, which they would have to be to prove the point you are trying to make.
Race isn’t simply about skin colour.
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Actually it’s more complex than that. I’d be interested in what Jewbacca or someone more knowledgeable than me has to say but my understanding is that Israelites and Arabs are very closely related. The biblical account is that they are both Shemites and both descended from Abraham. The DNA evidence confirms a very close relationship as well. Additionally, many Mizrahim are descendants of Arabs who converted to Judaism.[/quote]
Well yes, the only difference between Jews and Arabs in some Jewish religious texts is that one says Shibboleth and the other Sibboleth, which rather poignantly shows the utter banality and pointlessness of the current conflict, and how artificial the imposed differences are. [/quote]
And for the Israelis the conflict has nothing to do with race. Just as for the English(who are mostly of Anglo-Saxon(Germanic) ancestry) the Second World War had nothing to do with race.[/quote]
Well its a bit of a one sided analysis. The Second World War was a rejection of the German conception of race. It certainly wasn’t race neutral.
What actually makes someone a Jew is highly difficult to disentangle. Which is one of the things that makes debating Israel so difficult. [/quote]
Not really. What makes someone a Jew in the religious sense? Someone who is a descendent of the Israelites on the maternal line or a convert to Judaism. What makes someone Jewish in an ethnic sense? Someone who is descended from the Israelites.
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Ethnicity is essentially the same as race. You can have Israeli citizenship on the basis of being Israeli by ethnicity. Thus Israel does have a racial element!
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That’s because people have attempted to exterminate Jews based on race and Israel is a safe haven for people subject to such attempts.
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
You can have Israeli citizenship on the basis of being Israeli by ethnicity.
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Proof? You’ll have to show me some evidence of this, because if you are a Jew (having an orthodox conversion) you are granted citizenship. But, I don’t think they have any possibility of figuring out if you came from Israelite heritage.
?emails uncovered by the House Ways and Means Committee show that the IRS and State Department were conferring in 2009 about pro-Israel groups like Z Street and considering arguments to deny their tax-exempt applications.
President Barack Obama "yelled’’ at Benjamin Netanyahu during a tense phone conversation as he demanded that the Israeli prime minister agree to an unconditional, humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza, a former Israeli defense official told Newsmax TV on Tuesday.
Seventy-two percent of U.S. Muslims approved of the job President Barack Obama was doing as president during the first six months of 2014, higher than any other U.S. religious group Gallup tracks…
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Seventy-two percent of U.S. Muslims approved of the job President Barack Obama was doing as president during the first six months of 2014, higher than any other U.S. religious group Gallup tracks…[/quote]
Yep, but that was up to a point. Once Obama started being effective at knocking guys off it all changed.
Besides, this sort of conflict is one we need to understand from the civilians standpoint. If you happened to be born there, you wouldn’t be able to leave. If you were stuck in a situation where you were being bombed by your neighbor who also has you sanctioned and unable to leave, what are you sewing other than hatred? Seriously, what end is it bringing? What example does it set?
I’m not saying what Hamas does is right, they are just as guilty. But this isn’t progress. It’s just death and more hate for more generations on both sides.
People who understand it because they have lost skin and been in the grips of hate themselves recognize it… There’s no end.
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Yep, but that was up to a point. Once Obama started being effective at knocking guys off it all changed.
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That poll was taken two weeks ago.
Google Ramallah lynching. You can’t get any more hate filled than these animals.
The objective is to stop the rocket attacks. Not set examples. And any serious observer knows the IDF is the most humane military force in the world.
So the IDF and Hamas are equally guilty?
No, it’s a military operation.
You can’t unilaterally end a war. That’s something you, Obama and many other people just can’t seem to grasp.
Moral relativism and defeatism. Why not surprise me and try something else?
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The real problem is actually the Nazification of the Arabs. [/quote]
I never learned this tidbit in history and have never seen this perspective. Do you know of any reading material on this like links to articles or even books? [/quote]
This concept is ridiculous .
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History is “ridiculous”?
Seriously, Pittbull, it is undisputed that The Grand Mufti of Jersualem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini (pictured above with Hitler), was actively involved in encouraging Adolf Hitler in his project of annihilating the Jewish people back in the 1930s, long before the creation of the modern Jewish state.
During the 1930’s, the Mufti was an actively collaborator with the Nazis and began to assemble a large Waffen SS division.
In the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Husseini submitted to the Nazi German Government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing this clause:
"Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy."
The proposal was accepted by the Axis.
Husseini was often seen as an architect of the Holocaust. Documents, such as the testimony of Fritz Grobba confirm that an associate of al-Husseini’s visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp as part of a German secret police “training course” in July 1942. The Mufti then visited other concentration camps, and also the death camps of Auschwitz, Majdanek, Treblinka and Mauthausen, including the gas-chambers at Auschwitz.
The Mufti declared in November, 1943:
“It is the duty of Muhammadans in general and Arabs in particular to Ã?¢?Ã?¦ drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countriesÃ?¢?Ã?¦.Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a final solution for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world.”
At the Nuremberg trials, one of Adolf Eichmann’s deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, stated that al-Husseini had actively encouraged the extermination of European Jews, and that he had had an elaborate meeting with Eichmann at his office, during which Eichmann gave him an intensive look at the current state of the “Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe.”
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The arab allegiance to the Nazis is not controversial.
Hamas leaders openly talk of how the now-called Palestinians supported Hitler and wanted to help murder the Jews during the 1930s – long before the supposed theft of land in 1948 or 1967 or the formation of the Jewish state:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175316[/quote]
Interesting tidbit from the Peel Commission:
SIR L. HAMMOND: His Eminence gave us a picture of the Arabs being evicted from their land and villages being wiped out. What I want to know is, did the Government of Palestine, the Administration, acquire the land and then hand it over to the Jews?
MUFTI: In most cases the lands were acquired.
SIR L. HAMMOND: I mean forcibly acquired-compulsory acquisition as land would be acquired for public purposes?
MUFTI: No, it wasnâ??t.
SIR L. HAMMOND: Not taken by compulsory acquisition?
MUFTI: No.
SIR L. HAMMOND: But these lands amounting to some 700,000 dunams were actually sold?
MUFTI: Yes, they were sold, but the country was placed in such conditions as would facilitate such purchases.
SIR I HAMMOND: I donâ??t quite understand what you mean by that. They were sold. Who sold them?
MUFTI: Land owners.
SIR I HAMMOND: Arabs?
MUFTI: In most cases they were Arabs.
SIR L. HAMMOND: Was any compulsion put on them to sell? If so, by whom?
MUFTI: As in other countries, there are people who by force of circumstances, economic forces, sell their land.
Al-Husseini was a powerful landowner himself who ran an extortion racket whereby he would force Arabs who owned small plots of land to sell their land to him upon threat of death at extremely low prices. He would then jack up the price and sell them on to Jews making enormous profits. It was al-Husseini and other wealthy Arabs in the region who were “stealing Palestinian land” so to speak.[/quote]
so you ant me to judge a whole race on 1 guy ?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
The real problem is actually the Nazification of the Arabs. [/quote]
I never learned this tidbit in history and have never seen this perspective. Do you know of any reading material on this like links to articles or even books? [/quote]
This concept is ridiculous .
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History is “ridiculous”?
Seriously, Pittbull, it is undisputed that The Grand Mufti of Jersualem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini (pictured above with Hitler), was actively involved in encouraging Adolf Hitler in his project of annihilating the Jewish people back in the 1930s, long before the creation of the modern Jewish state.
During the 1930’s, the Mufti was an actively collaborator with the Nazis and began to assemble a large Waffen SS division.
In the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Husseini submitted to the Nazi German Government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing this clause:
"Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy."
The proposal was accepted by the Axis.
Husseini was often seen as an architect of the Holocaust. Documents, such as the testimony of Fritz Grobba confirm that an associate of al-Husseini’s visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp as part of a German secret police “training course” in July 1942. The Mufti then visited other concentration camps, and also the death camps of Auschwitz, Majdanek, Treblinka and Mauthausen, including the gas-chambers at Auschwitz.
The Mufti declared in November, 1943:
“It is the duty of Muhammadans in general and Arabs in particular to Ã??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¦ drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countriesÃ??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¦.Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a final solution for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world.”
At the Nuremberg trials, one of Adolf Eichmann’s deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, stated that al-Husseini had actively encouraged the extermination of European Jews, and that he had had an elaborate meeting with Eichmann at his office, during which Eichmann gave him an intensive look at the current state of the “Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe.”
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The arab allegiance to the Nazis is not controversial.
Hamas leaders openly talk of how the now-called Palestinians supported Hitler and wanted to help murder the Jews during the 1930s – long before the supposed theft of land in 1948 or 1967 or the formation of the Jewish state:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175316[/quote]
Interesting tidbit from the Peel Commission:
SIR L. HAMMOND: His Eminence gave us a picture of the Arabs being evicted from their land and villages being wiped out. What I want to know is, did the Government of Palestine, the Administration, acquire the land and then hand it over to the Jews?
MUFTI: In most cases the lands were acquired.
SIR L. HAMMOND: I mean forcibly acquired-compulsory acquisition as land would be acquired for public purposes?
MUFTI: No, it wasn�¢??t.
SIR L. HAMMOND: Not taken by compulsory acquisition?
MUFTI: No.
SIR L. HAMMOND: But these lands amounting to some 700,000 dunams were actually sold?
MUFTI: Yes, they were sold, but the country was placed in such conditions as would facilitate such purchases.
SIR I HAMMOND: I don�¢??t quite understand what you mean by that. They were sold. Who sold them?
MUFTI: Land owners.
SIR I HAMMOND: Arabs?
MUFTI: In most cases they were Arabs.
SIR L. HAMMOND: Was any compulsion put on them to sell? If so, by whom?
MUFTI: As in other countries, there are people who by force of circumstances, economic forces, sell their land.
Al-Husseini was a powerful landowner himself who ran an extortion racket whereby he would force Arabs who owned small plots of land to sell their land to him upon threat of death at extremely low prices. He would then jack up the price and sell them on to Jews making enormous profits. It was al-Husseini and other wealthy Arabs in the region who were “stealing Palestinian land” so to speak.[/quote]
so you ant me to judge a whole race on 1 guy ?
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What are you talking about? Judging a race? I provided the above as evidence that the Jews didn’t steal the Arabs’ land.
Put the bong down and take an adult literacy course or something.
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The issue here is Humas has no dog in the fight [/quote]
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no this is what I meant , Humas is firing rockets into Israel . when Israels comes , they pack up and leave , Israel attacks the wrong dog
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No Dude. Hamas are firing rockets into Israel, then they are telling the people who elected them that they need them to do their part and face the evil by sacrificing their own lives by staying and dying from the retaliation. Some of these people are doing just that.
Israel is sending notification that they are going to blow up some shit and the civilians should leave. They are staying so they can say “Look Israel is killing civilians.”
This tells me that they agree with their leaders (Hamas) and are doing their duty by staying and dying for the Hamas agenda.
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You actually believe Israel is going to tell a moving target they are going to bomb???
Maybe tunnels and less possibly weapon caches
this guy did (NOT) vote for Humas 
but he probably will vote for the next most radical option ,
That is called political persuasion and Israel is starting young
There are too many children hurt and killed add in the women and they exceed the men and how many of those men are guilty ?
You are missing the point , in 20 years when this little boy grows a big set of testicles , Israel will say “OH WHY DO THEY PERSECUTE US”
