Escalation in Israel

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The issue here is Humas has no dog in the fight and Israel is attacking a totally different dog [/quote]
This is completely wrong. Hamas is THE main aggressor. They are just throwing other dogs in the path of Israel.

Imagine if you had a fried who constantly instigated a fight with a much bigger person and then shoved you at him to take the beating. I wonder how long it will take for the person taking the beating (Palestinian citizens) to tell the aggressor (Hamas) to fuck off and stop antagonizing the bigger kid (Israel). It’s short sighted to simply blame the defender.[/quote]

I had a friend , when i was young that got in a fight on every social occasion . He took care of it himself . On 1 or 2 occasions we fought together. If I were involved I had the right to say if I fight or not.

Those occasions were a (AGE 13)stolen bicycle and stolen pot , (AGE 17)no cops involved . He’s in the big house now :slight_smile:

Israel is just not very good at this . they like to claim because they can blow up a tunnel that they are an awesome force . But IMO they lack big balls to ensure they hurt no one that is innocent

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The issue here is Humas has no dog in the fight [/quote]

This has to not be what you meant??

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The issue here is Humas has no dog in the fight [/quote]

This has to not be what you meant??[/quote]

no this is what I meant , Humas is firing rockets into Israel . when Israels comes , they pack up and leave , Israel attacks the wrong dog

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The issue here is Humas has no dog in the fight [/quote]

This has to not be what you meant??[/quote]

no this is what I meant , Humas is firing rockets into Israel . when Israels comes , they pack up and leave , Israel attacks the wrong dog
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The issue here is Humas has no dog in the fight [/quote]

This has to not be what you meant??[/quote]

no this is what I meant , Humas is firing rockets into Israel . when Israels comes , they pack up and leave , Israel attacks the wrong dog
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I feel like most will get what this means without having to add the words.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

The real problem is actually the Nazification of the Arabs. [/quote]

I never learned this tidbit in history and have never seen this perspective. Do you know of any reading material on this like links to articles or even books? [/quote]

This concept is ridiculous .

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History is “ridiculous”?

Seriously, Pittbull, it is undisputed that The Grand Mufti of Jersualem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini (pictured above with Hitler), was actively involved in encouraging Adolf Hitler in his project of annihilating the Jewish people back in the 1930s, long before the creation of the modern Jewish state.

During the 1930’s, the Mufti was an actively collaborator with the Nazis and began to assemble a large Waffen SS division.

In the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Husseini submitted to the Nazi German Government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing this clause:

"Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy."

The proposal was accepted by the Axis.

Husseini was often seen as an architect of the Holocaust. Documents, such as the testimony of Fritz Grobba confirm that an associate of al-Husseini’s visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp as part of a German secret police “training course” in July 1942. The Mufti then visited other concentration camps, and also the death camps of Auschwitz, Majdanek, Treblinka and Mauthausen, including the gas-chambers at Auschwitz.

The Mufti declared in November, 1943:

“It is the duty of Muhammadans in general and Arabs in particular to â?¦ drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countriesâ?¦.Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a final solution for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world.”

At the Nuremberg trials, one of Adolf Eichmann’s deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, stated that al-Husseini had actively encouraged the extermination of European Jews, and that he had had an elaborate meeting with Eichmann at his office, during which Eichmann gave him an intensive look at the current state of the “Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe.”

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The arab allegiance to the Nazis is not controversial.

Hamas leaders openly talk of how the now-called Palestinians supported Hitler and wanted to help murder the Jews during the 1930s – long before the supposed theft of land in 1948 or 1967 or the formation of the Jewish state:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175316[/quote]

Interesting tidbit from the Peel Commission:

SIR L. HAMMOND: His Eminence gave us a picture of the Arabs being evicted from their land and villages being wiped out. What I want to know is, did the Government of Palestine, the Administration, acquire the land and then hand it over to the Jews?

MUFTI: In most cases the lands were acquired.

SIR L. HAMMOND: I mean forcibly acquired-compulsory acquisition as land would be acquired for public purposes?

MUFTI: No, it wasnâ??t.

SIR L. HAMMOND: Not taken by compulsory acquisition?

MUFTI: No.

SIR L. HAMMOND: But these lands amounting to some 700,000 dunams were actually sold?

MUFTI: Yes, they were sold, but the country was placed in such conditions as would facilitate such purchases.

SIR I HAMMOND: I donâ??t quite understand what you mean by that. They were sold. Who sold them?

MUFTI: Land owners.

SIR I HAMMOND: Arabs?

MUFTI: In most cases they were Arabs.

SIR L. HAMMOND: Was any compulsion put on them to sell? If so, by whom?

MUFTI: As in other countries, there are people who by force of circumstances, economic forces, sell their land.


Al-Husseini was a powerful landowner himself who ran an extortion racket whereby he would force Arabs who owned small plots of land to sell their land to him upon threat of death at extremely low prices. He would then jack up the price and sell them on to Jews making enormous profits. It was al-Husseini and other wealthy Arabs in the region who were “stealing Palestinian land” so to speak.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

you know if I thought Puss’s gold bars were cleaver , I would award them to you

…Humas…

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If you’re trying to improve your writing skills then why are you continuing to misspell words even after you’ve been told the correct spelling?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The issue here is Humas has no dog in the fight [/quote]

This has to not be what you meant??[/quote]

no this is what I meant , Humas is firing rockets into Israel . when Israels comes , they pack up and leave , Israel attacks the wrong dog
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No Dude. Hamas are firing rockets into Israel, then they are telling the people who elected them that they need them to do their part and face the evil by sacrificing their own lives by staying and dying from the retaliation. Some of these people are doing just that.

Israel is sending notification that they are going to blow up some shit and the civilians should leave. They are staying so they can say “Look Israel is killing civilians.”

This tells me that they agree with their leaders (Hamas) and are doing their duty by staying and dying for the Hamas agenda.


Well, we’ve got Wonder Woman on our side. Her comment:

“I am sending my love and prayers to my fellow Israeli citizens. Especially to all the boys and girls who are risking their lives protecting my country against the horrific acts conducted by Hamas, who are hiding like cowards behind women and children…We shall overcome!!! Shabbat Shalom!”

(Gal Gadot is Israeli, Jewish, and a veteran of the IDF. She’s seen here with her pretty little girl, Alma, welcoming the Sabbath.)

I just thought this was effective.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

If you’re trying to improve your writing skills then why are you continuing to misspell words even after you’ve been told the correct spelling?[/quote]

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I just thought this was effective.[/quote]

The Queen’s uncle was assassinated by the IRA. Senior political figures were killed and many more were disabled in the Brighton Hotel bombing. Mny innocent civillians were killed. No one knew where the next bomb was going to go off, or when the next violence would start.

What did the British do? Negotiated a peaceful political settlement with respect to the other sides view. Has it been better for both sides since peace? Definitely. British people know that killing civilians is wrong.

Almost every person in Britain who saw that imagine immediately thought of the Brighton Hotel bombed and an Israeli flag flying over it, then Belfast flattened to the ground with 1000s of innocents dead, and then realized how mad the Israeli assault on Gaza is.

In France one thinks of the propaganda put out by the French colonial government in Algeria and the massacres by the foreign legion there in the name of self defense.

The bizarre IDF propaganda shows that Israel seems to have a great sense of >2000 years ago, but absolutely zero sense of what has happened in the mean time.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175316[/quote]

So what? Pretty much every country in the British and other colonial Empires had talks with the Nazis, because they wanted to throw off the colonial powers that had been oppressing them for years. They were living in a context where ethnic cleansing and racism were entirely the norm, whether by famine caused by poor colonial administration or by literally hunting people like animals. They could see, even in the ‘land of the free’, how black people were constantly marginalized and oppressed. Indeed, many Zionists were happy to say to Britain and the UN, ‘we deserve to be given this land as a result of our 2000 year old connection to it, even though we live in America’ - essentially keenly adopting the belief that it is right to take someone elses land because you are better or greater than them.

The Palestinians were not Nazified. They lived in a world where expansionist, invented nationalism was enforced at the barrel of a gun at their expense.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Well, we’ve got Wonder Woman on our side. Her comment:

“I am sending my love and prayers to my fellow Israeli citizens. Especially to all the boys and girls who are risking their lives protecting my country against the horrific acts conducted by Hamas, who are hiding like cowards behind women and children…We shall overcome!!! Shabbat Shalom!”

(Gal Gadot is Israeli, Jewish, and a veteran of the IDF. She’s seen here with her pretty little girl, Alma, welcoming the Sabbath.)[/quote]

The problem is that when people see images like that, juxtaposed with images of dead women and children who were killed by Israeli bombs simply because they were not Jewish, they don’t tend to see Israeli actions very favorably.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

The Palestinians were not Nazified. They lived in a world where expansionist, invented nationalism was enforced at the barrel of a gun at their expense.

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lmao…

This thread just doesn’t stop delivering.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
juxtaposed with images of dead women and children who were killed by Israeli bombs simply because they were not Jewish [/quote]

lmao again!

Please, keep going I’m at work for a while longer

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I just thought this was effective.[/quote]

The Queen’s uncle was assassinated by the IRA. Senior political figures were killed and many more were disabled in the Brighton Hotel bombing. Mny innocent civillians were killed. No one knew where the next bomb was going to go off, or when the next violence would start.

What did the British do? Negotiated a peaceful political settlement with respect to the other sides view. Has it been better for both sides since peace? Definitely. British people know that killing civilians is wrong.

Almost every person in Britain who saw that imagine immediately thought of the Brighton Hotel bombed and an Israeli flag flying over it, then Belfast flattened to the ground with 1000s of innocents dead, and then realized how mad the Israeli assault on Gaza is…

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Not even close to being comparable. Not even remotely close.

You oughta be ashamed. That was so very, very weak. Try deadlifting.
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The writer must resort to historical analogy, however inapposite, because he has no other thought. Just outrage.

So, by arguing by analogy, are we to believe:
–Israel should choose to negotiate with the IRA in 1978?
–Britain was posed with an existential threat of missiles sent from Derry? And then conceded–what?–its entire landmass?
–Hamas should substitute rockets for bombing bars in Liverpool, because that is so much more ethical?

No. The writer believes that 2/3 of Israel should be subject to random bombing, that Hamas should terrorize its own population* and hold them hostage, until…what? Why, until the Jews are expunged, because that is the reason for Hamas.

*Note please: there are now reports of Hamas executing Gazan who have protested against them, for “supporting the enemy.” This is entirely plausible, given what was done to Fatah supporters in 2006-2007.
And I don’t need to analogize to the IRA.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

The problem is that when people see images like that, juxtaposed with images of dead women and children who were killed by Hamas terror simply because they were not Arab, they don’t tend to see Hamas actions very favorably. [/quote]

My example of moral equivalency. Enjoy.

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
What did the British do?

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Sold 30,000 Irish children as slaves to Jamaica and America? Had Robert Emmett hung, drawn and quartered then displayed on a gibbet? Shot the 1916 leaders? Sent Black and Tans out to murder civilians? Had paratroopers shoot dozens of civilians then pick off people going to the aid of the wounded then whitewash the investigation into it?