Escalation in Israel

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Has anyone tested the soil over there?

My old poker game was about an equal mix of christian, muslim, jew, and unaffiliated, and we mostly liked each other even when one of us was a big loser. Nobody shot rockets at one another and narry a punch was thrown.

Maybe the soil is contaminated with something that makes people hate eat other in that part of the world. That’s all I can figure. If it were me, I’d move somewhere else. Life is too short to live like that forever, which it appears is how long it will take to resolve the conflict. [/quote]

The real problem is actually the Nazification of the Arabs. The Nazis capitalised on tensions in the region in the 30’s. The leader of the Arabs in the British mandate, al-Husseini was actually complicit in the holocaust and broadcast Nazi propaganda into the region from exile in Berlin. After the war many Arab nations harboured Nazi war criminals - especially Nasser’s Egypt. Al-Husseini was Arafat’s mentor and by some accounts his uncle. Arafat and Gaddafi along with many others were trained by Nazi war criminals. The pan-Arab nationalists are actually the modern incarnation of the Nazis.[/quote]

I never learned this tidbit in history and have never seen this perspective. Do you know of any reading material on this like links to articles or even books? [/quote]

Indiana Jones I & III[/quote]

I love those documentaries!

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

The real problem is actually the Nazification of the Arabs. The Nazis capitalised on tensions in the region in the 30’s. The leader of the Arabs in the British mandate, al-Husseini was actually complicit in the holocaust and broadcast Nazi propaganda into the region from exile in Berlin.[/quote]

Do you know of any reading material on this like links to articles or even books? [/quote]

Indiana Jones I & III[/quote]

I love those documentaries![/quote]

I am not sure if people are serious or not.

Do people not have Wikipedia? Google? The Muslim countries were so aligned with the Nazis that they were often called the “Fourth Axis Power.”

Persia changed its name from “Persia” to “Iran” – that is, “Aryan” in Farsi (the language of the area).

The long history psychopathic Jew-hatred of most middle eastern muslims is not exactly a secret, and only the very recent fake story of “stolen land” by Israel makes people forget.

The desire to kill all the Jews goes all the way back to Mohammed’s personal slaughter of 1,000s of Jews in Banu Qurayza in 627 AD. It’s just part of the deal.

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[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
I just wanted to point out that Israel has violated over 200 UN resolutions and still receives military aid from the US. Iraq violated three and we dismantled their government, military, and infrastructure. Not to mention we created an insurgency that never existed before the occupation. Overall it begs the question why did we invade Iraq but continue to provide aid to Israel? Well Murica [/quote]
I just wanted to point out that you’re a 19 year old kid whose ex-girlfriend left him, cheated on him, and got a restraining order against him then got pregnant from some other dude a month ago, had sex with you, and two days later told you the kid was yours. And you believe all of it.

So I don’t really know how much credence to give your geopolitical pontifications.[/quote]

I was asking a question.
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Here’s an answer to your question. Look way back on page 1 for my post on why the USA supports and aids Israel. It’s like the 4th post so easy to find and it’s a pretty straightforward explanation without any hyperbole. The relationship is also more mutually beneficial than a lot of people realize, it is not a one-way street.

As to why we invaded Iraq. That’s a good question. Part of the reason was that Bush and Cheney were way too confident in how they predicted the world was going to unfold. Check out this link:

Bush/Cheney believed that the USA’s top antagonists were going to easily fall after Iraq fell. It was part of a grand plan that never materialized and wasn’t thought out very well.

Also, Saddam Hussein’s Ba’athist regime can’t be compared to Israel’s government. He used chemical weapons on 100s of thousands of people throughout his reign among other atrocities. The chemical weapons use was not even in response to aggression, he was just evil and imperialistic. Not saying we should have invaded Iraq in the manner we did because clearly it was a failure, but your comparison needed to be called out.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

The real problem is actually the Nazification of the Arabs. The Nazis capitalised on tensions in the region in the 30’s. The leader of the Arabs in the British mandate, al-Husseini was actually complicit in the holocaust and broadcast Nazi propaganda into the region from exile in Berlin.[/quote]

Do you know of any reading material on this like links to articles or even books? [/quote]

Indiana Jones I & III[/quote]

I love those documentaries![/quote]

I am not sure if people are serious or not.

Do people not have Wikipedia? Google? The Muslim countries were so aligned with the Nazis that they were often called the “Fourth Axis Power.”

Persia changed its name from “Persia” to “Iran” – that is, “Aryan” in Farsi (the language of the area).

The long history psychopathic Jew-hatred of most middle eastern muslims is not exactly a secret, and only the very recent fake story of “stolen land” by Israel makes people forget.

The desire to kill all the Jews goes all the way back to Mohammed’s personal slaughter of 1,000s of Jews in Banu Qurayza in 627 AD. It’s just part of the deal.
[/quote]

I’ll give you my perspective, but I can’t speak for everybody.

This was never covered in my high school or college history courses. I also never hear anything about it in the news, any documentaries or shows on the history channel, and I never hear anyone talking about it.

Quite honestly, the thought never even occurred to me to look something up like this. If you google WWII, a piece of history like this is buried underneath a mountain of other information.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Gerrard08 wrote:

…Israel is the one who is dropping bombs on Gaza & the blood of the innocents is on their hands, to blame the victim is cowardly and injust- they would never drop bombs on mixed Jewish/muslim areas because Israel places a greater value on the lives of Jewish people than Muslim- it is a racist & murderous country at heart, regardless of what you may think, actions speak louder than words.[/quote]

The level of stupidity on this thread by Geraldo here (and of course, Pittheifer) is stupendous. It boggles ye mind.[/quote]

Only to be out done by Puss , I see your 2 qand raise you 2

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I read the not so great DR’s paper and the Prudish one’s also . My conclusion is and the evidence being this thread .

Any one that criticizes Israel is against Israel

And that is not the case

Israel is being attacked by Humas:) Not the City of Gaza , Not Palestinians , By Humas Humas

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

I’ll give you my perspective, but I can’t speak for everybody.

This was never covered in my high school or college history courses. I also never hear anything about it in the news, any documentaries or shows on the history channel, and I never hear anyone talking about it.

Quite honestly, the thought never even occurred to me to look something up like this. If you google WWII, a piece of history like this is buried underneath a mountain of other information. [/quote]

I don’t doubt (or blame) you for a moment.

Missing about 1/4 of such a massive war (and a significant part, given the strategic value of the oil), however, must make you question what you’ve been taught, and why they neglected to teach it. It certainly did to me.

You will eventually realize that institutional powers of the media, government, and education (primarily so-called “liberals” – although they are into anything but personal liberty) have shaped and warped your world view to make you easy prey to make themselves rich and powerful.

I mean, seriously, they omitted an entire front of a world war from your education – and “poof” it vanished, changing your world view of the middle east.

That’s like something out of Orwell’s 1984.

It’s not remotely accidental.

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The main problem is Israel’s offensive is killing and maiming more women and children than men and we have not even tried any of these people

Israel needs to grow some balls , put boots on the ground , kick in doors and separate the wheat from the chaff

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Israel is being attacked by Humas … , Not Palestinians
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The Hamas are Palestinians though. You know that right? There was a good post earlier using an analogy for you. You don’t say “Iraq is being attacked by Republicans. Not Americans, Republicans.” That’s not how it works.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

I’ll give you my perspective, but I can’t speak for everybody.

This was never covered in my high school or college history courses. I also never hear anything about it in the news, any documentaries or shows on the history channel, and I never hear anyone talking about it.

Quite honestly, the thought never even occurred to me to look something up like this. If you google WWII, a piece of history like this is buried underneath a mountain of other information. [/quote]

I don’t doubt (or blame) you for a moment.

Missing about 1/4 of such a massive war (and a significant part, given the strategic value of the oil), however, must make you question what you’ve been taught, and why they neglected to teach it. It certainly did to me.

You will eventually realize that institutional powers of the media, government, and education (primarily so-called “liberals” – although they are into anything but personal liberty) have shaped and warped your world view to make you easy prey to make themselves rich and powerful.

I mean, seriously, they omitted an entire front of a world war from your education – and “poof” it vanished, changing your world view of the middle east.

That’s like something out of Orwell’s 1984.

It’s not remotely accidental.[/quote]

I’ve gotta say, I do feel pretty let down by such a huge omission of events in my history courses. I learned a lot on the European, North African, and Pacific fronts, but what happened in the Middle East was nothing but a footnote. Pretty much just, “Oh yeah, the results of WWII in the ME was Israel”.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Israel needs to grow some balls , put boots on the ground , kick in doors and separate the wheat from the chaff [/quote]
Why? Why is it their responsibility to protect the terrorists loved ones for them? Hamas wants to put their women and children in the line of fire. Maybe if the “chaff” weren’t so fucking stupid, they would get tired of being collateral damage and help get rid of the “wheat” themselves.

All you’re saying is that Israelis should sacrifice their own lives to protect the lives of those Hamas wants to sacrifice. Why should they? Those “boots on the ground” have wives and children and parents back home too.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Israel is being attacked by Humas
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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Israel needs to grow some balls , put boots on the ground , kick in doors and separate the wheat from the chaff [/quote]
Why? Why is it their responsibility to protect the terrorists loved ones for them? Hamas wants to put their women and children in the line of fire. Maybe if the “chaff” weren’t so fucking stupid, they would get tired of being collateral damage and help get rid of the “wheat” themselves.

All you’re saying is that Israelis should sacrifice their own lives to protect the lives of those Hamas wants to sacrifice. Why should they? Those “boots on the ground” have wives and children and parents back home too.[/quote]

you know if I thought Puss’s gold bars were cleaver , I would award them to you

This is a stupid post , It is a crime to hurt and kill innocent people and that is what Israel is doing

I do not know about the men they have killed , what percentage in Humas:)

I do know the majority of women and I children are not Humas:) and that is what they are killing .

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I read the not so great DR’s paper and the Prudish one’s also . My conclusion is and the evidence being this thread .

Any one that criticizes Israel is against Israel

And that is not the case

Israel is being attacked by Humas:) Not the City of Gaza , Not Palestinians , By Humas Humas

[/quote]

Israel is being attacked by the elected government of Palestine. That is Hamas.

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[quote]pittbulll should have wrote:
The main problem is Hamas’s defense is killing and maiming more women and children than men.

Hamas needs to grow some balls , stop using women and children as shields , fight a war like men and not try to use their own civilian deaths that they cause to win a war through public opinion. [/quote]

FIFY

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

I’ll give you my perspective, but I can’t speak for everybody.

This was never covered in my high school or college history courses. I also never hear anything about it in the news, any documentaries or shows on the history channel, and I never hear anyone talking about it.

Quite honestly, the thought never even occurred to me to look something up like this. If you google WWII, a piece of history like this is buried underneath a mountain of other information. [/quote]

I don’t doubt (or blame) you for a moment.

Missing about 1/4 of such a massive war (and a significant part, given the strategic value of the oil), however, must make you question what you’ve been taught, and why they neglected to teach it. It certainly did to me.

You will eventually realize that institutional powers of the media, government, and education (primarily so-called “liberals” – although they are into anything but personal liberty) have shaped and warped your world view to make you easy prey to make themselves rich and powerful.

I mean, seriously, they omitted an entire front of a world war from your education – and “poof” it vanished, changing your world view of the middle east.

That’s like something out of Orwell’s 1984.

It’s not remotely accidental.[/quote]

I’ve gotta say, I do feel pretty let down by such a huge omission of events in my history courses. [/quote]

Tell me about it. Learned a lot about history in both High School and college, thought I knew a lot, till a friend said “Ever hear of the Mongol Empire?” I researched it and found out I didn’t know about 3/4s of the “real” history of the world. There’s a lot more to history than what happened and how it effects America and Europe.

In any event, here’s an article I found on Yahoo detailing Hamas’ demands for ceasefire:

http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-demands-cease-fire-israels-concerns-154704634.html

Interesting.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

I’ll give you my perspective, but I can’t speak for everybody.

This was never covered in my high school or college history courses. I also never hear anything about it in the news, any documentaries or shows on the history channel, and I never hear anyone talking about it.

Quite honestly, the thought never even occurred to me to look something up like this. If you google WWII, a piece of history like this is buried underneath a mountain of other information. [/quote]

I don’t doubt (or blame) you for a moment.

Missing about 1/4 of such a massive war (and a significant part, given the strategic value of the oil), however, must make you question what you’ve been taught, and why they neglected to teach it. It certainly did to me.

You will eventually realize that institutional powers of the media, government, and education (primarily so-called “liberals” – although they are into anything but personal liberty) have shaped and warped your world view to make you easy prey to make themselves rich and powerful.

I mean, seriously, they omitted an entire front of a world war from your education – and “poof” it vanished, changing your world view of the middle east.

That’s like something out of Orwell’s 1984.

It’s not remotely accidental.[/quote]

I’ve gotta say, I do feel pretty let down by such a huge omission of events in my history courses. [/quote]

Tell me about it. Learned a lot about history in both High School and college, thought I knew a lot, till a friend said “Ever hear of the Mongol Empire?” I researched it and found out I didn’t know about 3/4s of the “real” history of the world. There’s a lot more to history than what happened and how it effects America and Europe.

In any event, here’s an article I found on Yahoo detailing Hamas’ demands for ceasefire:

http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-demands-cease-fire-israels-concerns-154704634.html

Interesting.[/quote]

Honestly, I didn’t know any of this (and being from Mississippi we are supposed to have the more conservative “Texas” textbook adoption) until my freshman year of college and only learned about it then because I wrote my honors world civ exit paper on the Munich games incident. To fill out the paper required a lot of back story on the PLO and I kept coming up with all the Nazi tie-ins and was like holy shit, how have I never heard that before.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll should have wrote:
The main problem is Hamas’s defense is killing and maiming more women and children than men.

Hamas needs to grow some balls , stop using women and children as shields , fight a war like men and not try to use their own civilian deaths that they cause to win a war through public opinion. [/quote]

FIFY[/quote]

While I agree with you , that does not excuse Israel

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The issue here is Humas has no dog in the fight and Israel is attacking a totally different dog

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The issue here is Humas has no dog in the fight and Israel is attacking a totally different dog [/quote]
This is completely wrong. Hamas is THE main aggressor. They are just throwing other dogs in the path of Israel.

Imagine if you had a fried who constantly instigated a fight with a much bigger person and then shoved you at him to take the beating. I wonder how long it will take for the person taking the beating (Palestinian citizens) to tell the aggressor (Hamas) to fuck off and stop antagonizing the bigger kid (Israel). It’s short sighted to simply blame the defender.