Escalation in Israel

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Pitt, can you respond to a direct question please?

If Palestinians ELECTED a terrorist organization to represent them, How can you expect there to be peace if Israel “just leaves them alone”?

Israel has said over and over that they are willing to stop the escalation of force IF the Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel. THEY WON’T STOP FIRING ROCKETS…

What would YOU do if you had a next door neighbor who would randomly shoot your house with .22 caliber rifle. Ask him “nicely” to stop, or blow his ass away with a .44? I mean, there is no way to excuse the Palestinians’ behavior on this. They kidnapped three teenagers, one of whom is an American citizen, and KILLED them, and then started firing rockets into Israel when Israel retaliated…

Why are you taking the Palestinian side? Cuz you feel that Israel “took” their land? So what? We took land from Native Americans, you don’t see us giving it back, do you? What do you think would happen if Native Americans started shooting at towns from their Indian reservation? We would respond with superior firepower - exactly what Israel is doing.

So what about the Palestinian Cause do you identify with? You feel they are repressed? I’d repress someone who was trying to exterminate MY family… They are not “victims”, they are genocidal maniacs who teach their CHILDREN from a young age to kill the Jews… Why on earth would you take the side of fucking animals like that?

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[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:

Ruffian, you sound like this little boy on the phone lol

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I don’t have the ability to watch the video on my phone, but the facts are the facts, no land was stolen by the Israelis.

“Arab East Jerusalem” because “Arab” when the Arabs killed the local Jews in the early 1900s. This Arab aggression was repudiated by the Muslim Ottoman Empire (who actually owned the land), the English (who possessed the land by right of conquest of the Ottomans), the League of Nations, and the UN, and the land returned to the Jewish owners.

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I agree, but it’s a two way thing and therein lies the problem I guess.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:

Ruffian, you sound like this little boy on the phone lol

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away [/quote]

Except my peoples, you mean.

But regarding Israel, you’ve been given links on this very site to disprove your proposition that Israel stole land is complete bullshit. Israel did not steal land from anyone. The land was granted by the Ottoman Empire, England, blessed by the League of Nations, and then the UN. It was originally Jewish land of antiquity, continued to be occupied by Jews, and only in the mid-to-early 1900s (with German help) were the Jews driven from their land for a brief time. Private land at issue was bought-and-sold by willing seller to willing buyer at market rates.

And, yet you re-post the lie, over-and-over.

As you re-post every single talking point of the so-called Palestinians. Over-and-over.

Pittbull, just admit you hate Jews for whatever reason and want them to die.

It’s a more intellectually honest position that twisting and lying like you do.[/quote]
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The problem with that guys position is that the area in question has been conquered numerous times, most before the British, each time the conquering people have either run the Jews out or brought them back. So how far back do you want to go. That is the equivalent of saying “Well the French really didn’t have the right to sell us the Choctaw’s land so if they want it back then we should give it to them.” OR “We basically stole Texas (coincidentally stating or claim through illegally immigrating into the Mexican claimed area until we outnumbered them in that territory) so why not give it back to Mexico?”
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You are completely correct, Jews didn’t steal the land from the Palestinians. Someone else decided to give it to them lol

Arabs and Jews have lived side by side for a long time, it was a German who decided to exterminate them.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:

Ruffian, you sound like this little boy on the phone lol

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I don’t have the ability to watch the video on my phone, but the facts are the facts, no land was stolen by the Israelis.

“Arab East Jerusalem” because “Arab” when the Arabs killed the local Jews in the early 1900s. This Arab aggression was repudiated by the Muslim Ottoman Empire (who actually owned the land), the English (who possessed the land by right of conquest of the Ottomans), the League of Nations, and the UN, and the land returned to the Jewish owners.[/quote]

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

I don’t have the ability to watch the video on my phone, but the facts are the facts, no land was stolen by the Israelis.

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It’s a load of crap. The guy claims there was “not the slightest” amount of anti-Semitism in the ME before European Jews began migrating there. He also claims the British Mandate was a “country” that belonged exclusively to Palestinians and was “wiped off the map” by Zionists.

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[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:

Arabs and Jews have lived side by side for a long time, it was a German who decided to exterminate them.

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Anti-Jewish pogroms:

Middle East and North Africa: Aleppo (1850, 1875), Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890), Beirut (1862, 1874), Dayr al-Qamar (1847), Jaffa (1876), Jerusalem (1847, 1870 and 1895), Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901â??02), Mansura (1877), Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901â??07), Port Said (1903, 1908), and Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891).

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Pitt, can you respond to a direct question please?

If Palestinians ELECTED a terrorist organization to represent them, How can you expect there to be peace if Israel “just leaves them alone”?

Israel has said over and over that they are willing to stop the escalation of force IF the Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel. THEY WON’T STOP FIRING ROCKETS…

What would YOU do if you had a next door neighbor who would randomly shoot your house with .22 caliber rifle. Ask him “nicely” to stop, or blow his ass away with a .44? I mean, there is no way to excuse the Palestinians’ behavior on this. They kidnapped three teenagers, one of whom is an American citizen, and KILLED them, and then started firing rockets into Israel when Israel retaliated…

Why are you taking the Palestinian side? Cuz you feel that Israel “took” their land? So what? We took land from Native Americans, you don’t see us giving it back, do you? What do you think would happen if Native Americans started shooting at towns from their Indian reservation? We would respond with superior firepower - exactly what Israel is doing.

So what about the Palestinian Cause do you identify with? You feel they are repressed? I’d repress someone who was trying to exterminate MY family… They are not “victims”, they are genocidal maniacs who teach their CHILDREN from a young age to kill the Jews… Why on earth would you take the side of fucking animals like that? [/quote]

You don’t get to define if they are victims. They themselves do that.

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Pitt, can you respond to a direct question please?

If Palestinians ELECTED a terrorist organization to represent them, How can you expect there to be peace if Israel “just leaves them alone”?

Israel has said over and over that they are willing to stop the escalation of force IF the Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel. THEY WON’T STOP FIRING ROCKETS…

What would YOU do if you had a next door neighbor who would randomly shoot your house with .22 caliber rifle. Ask him “nicely” to stop, or blow his ass away with a .44? I mean, there is no way to excuse the Palestinians’ behavior on this. They kidnapped three teenagers, one of whom is an American citizen, and KILLED them, and then started firing rockets into Israel when Israel retaliated…

Why are you taking the Palestinian side? Cuz you feel that Israel “took” their land? So what? We took land from Native Americans, you don’t see us giving it back, do you? What do you think would happen if Native Americans started shooting at towns from their Indian reservation? We would respond with superior firepower - exactly what Israel is doing.

So what about the Palestinian Cause do you identify with? You feel they are repressed? I’d repress someone who was trying to exterminate MY family… They are not “victims”, they are genocidal maniacs who teach their CHILDREN from a young age to kill the Jews… Why on earth would you take the side of fucking animals like that? [/quote]

You don’t get to define if they are victims. They themselves do that.

http://rabbibrant.com/2009/11/05/gaza-1956/[/quote]

Interesting quote in that article. 2.5 million in Gaza? Even the Gazans only claim to be 1.8 million. Brant Rosen is a radical Palestinian “rights” activist.

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Pitt, can you respond to a direct question please?

If Palestinians ELECTED a terrorist organization to represent them, How can you expect there to be peace if Israel “just leaves them alone”?

Israel has said over and over that they are willing to stop the escalation of force IF the Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel. THEY WON’T STOP FIRING ROCKETS…

What would YOU do if you had a next door neighbor who would randomly shoot your house with .22 caliber rifle. Ask him “nicely” to stop, or blow his ass away with a .44? I mean, there is no way to excuse the Palestinians’ behavior on this. They kidnapped three teenagers, one of whom is an American citizen, and KILLED them, and then started firing rockets into Israel when Israel retaliated…

Why are you taking the Palestinian side? Cuz you feel that Israel “took” their land? So what? We took land from Native Americans, you don’t see us giving it back, do you? What do you think would happen if Native Americans started shooting at towns from their Indian reservation? We would respond with superior firepower - exactly what Israel is doing.

So what about the Palestinian Cause do you identify with? You feel they are repressed? I’d repress someone who was trying to exterminate MY family… They are not “victims”, they are genocidal maniacs who teach their CHILDREN from a young age to kill the Jews… Why on earth would you take the side of fucking animals like that? [/quote]

You don’t get to define if they are victims. They themselves do that.

http://rabbibrant.com/2009/11/05/gaza-1956/[/quote]

You don’t “get” to tell me what the fuck I can or cannot define. I define them as crazy towel heads who won’t quit crying because they didn’t have the stuff to defend their turf and it got taken away from them. How or why is immaterial. It was either legally sold because they were too stupid to hold the title to it, or they were kicked off by Jews who had bigger guns. It doesn’t matter. THEY LOST.

Instead of shutting the fuck up and taking the loss like MEN, building themselves up and taking advantage of another opportunity, they act like fucking ANIMALS and kidnap teenagers and kill them. They blow up buses full of women and children. They shoot rockets - Not from military bases - but from SCHOOLS or HOSPITALS where they use innocent people as human shields… These animals are just a bunch of fucking cowards - NOT VICTIMS. They had their chance to be victims decades ago. Now they are just terrorists. Terrorists who should be exterminated like the fucking rabid dogs that they are. THEN there might be peace.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Pitt, can you respond to a direct question please?

If Palestinians ELECTED a terrorist organization to represent them, How can you expect there to be peace if Israel “just leaves them alone”?

Israel has said over and over that they are willing to stop the escalation of force IF the Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel. THEY WON’T STOP FIRING ROCKETS…

What would YOU do if you had a next door neighbor who would randomly shoot your house with .22 caliber rifle. Ask him “nicely” to stop, or blow his ass away with a .44? I mean, there is no way to excuse the Palestinians’ behavior on this. They kidnapped three teenagers, one of whom is an American citizen, and KILLED them, and then started firing rockets into Israel when Israel retaliated…

Why are you taking the Palestinian side? Cuz you feel that Israel “took” their land? So what? We took land from Native Americans, you don’t see us giving it back, do you? What do you think would happen if Native Americans started shooting at towns from their Indian reservation? We would respond with superior firepower - exactly what Israel is doing.

So what about the Palestinian Cause do you identify with? You feel they are repressed? I’d repress someone who was trying to exterminate MY family… They are not “victims”, they are genocidal maniacs who teach their CHILDREN from a young age to kill the Jews… Why on earth would you take the side of fucking animals like that? [/quote]

You don’t get to define if they are victims. They themselves do that.

http://rabbibrant.com/2009/11/05/gaza-1956/[/quote]

Interesting quote in that article. 2.5 million in Gaza? Even the Gazans only claim to be 1.8 million. Brant Rosen is a radical Palestinian “rights” activist.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brant_Rosen[/quote]

I don’t care, I was after that Moshe Dayan quote.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

You don’t “get” to tell me what the fuck I can or cannot define. I define them as crazy towel heads who won’t quit crying because they didn’t have the stuff to defend their turf and it got taken away from them. How or why is immaterial. It was either legally sold because they were too stupid to hold the title to it, or they were kicked off by Jews who had bigger guns. It doesn’t matter. THEY LOST.

Instead of shutting the fuck up and taking the loss like MEN, building themselves up and taking advantage of another opportunity, they act like fucking ANIMALS and kidnap teenagers and kill them. They blow up buses full of women and children. They shoot rockets - Not from military bases - but from SCHOOLS or HOSPITALS where they use innocent people as human shields… These animals are just a bunch of fucking cowards - NOT VICTIMS. They had their chance to be victims decades ago. Now they are just terrorists. Terrorists who should be exterminated like the fucking rabid dogs that they are. THEN there might be peace.
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If you feel like a victim you act like a victim and you define your rules from that point of view. Your thoughts what a man is made of is irrelevant. Same goes for me. Why should it matter?

It seem to be a popular idea here that they should all be killed. Okay. Then you really have to kill them all, haven’t you. Otherwise it wont work. And it wont probably suffice with only Gaza.

Let’s say that Israels drives on and manages to kill all the important persons of Hamas and I don’t know, let say 100 000 civilians also. Maybe much less. It leaves us with at least 1,7 million inhabitants in the ruins of Gaza. What then? International aid and rebuilding and they will start living like normal people?

Why haven’t Israel done this already? Because of pressure from the international community or because the problem would just shift locus and take new, unpredictable forms?

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I just don’t think kill them all is a viable option. Mostly because a majority of Palestinians, my guess is that it is a large majority, are at the very least Hamas sympathizers, even if they aren’t directly linked to the organization.

Not to mention, if Israel takes the lets wipe them out policy, recruitment to the more radical Islamic side will skyrocket in Gaza. It will essentially turn a “the more we kill, the more there are” situation like a Palestinian Hydra. Honestly, I don’t know what the solution is.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

You are aware that even if Israel signed over the Gaza strip and all the land up to Jerusalem that they would still be attacked by the Palestinians correct?
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Much the same way Israel pulled out of Lebanon because Hezbollah promised no more attacks once they left, and yet continue to rain rockets down upon Israel.

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[quote]pat wrote:

If the U.S. did not help Israel, they would have been destroyed by every Arab country in the region and mass genocide would have ensued…
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that is my point , if Israel is acting bad , America is enabling it

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
“Hamas had little to lose.”

Hamas Gambled on War as Its Woes Grew in Gaza - The New York Times [/quote]

The way I understand it , they are lined up to kick Israel’s ass and Ironically Humas is the best (Least Bad ) of the group

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
To address all the issues of a prison camp , water , electricity ,sewage and trash should be managed by Israel . Israel at present control everything going in and everything going out , it is a prison .

Palestinians are second rate to Israelis , fix that as well and I bet a lot of Israels problems go away.

I know it will cost money , I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away [/quote]

You are aware that even if Israel signed over the Gaza strip and all the land up to Jerusalem that they would still be attacked by the Palestinians correct? By their doctrine they cannot allow Israel to exist because they consider all that land Palestine. And it is not a minority that believes this. That was proven evident when they elected Hamas (a terrorist organization) to be their leaders. Palestine doesn’t just want their own little slice of land, they want all the land and the heads of the Jews living in it.

But you just keep your head in the sand over that one crucial detail. At this rate the UN will be giving you a call to assist in global policy.
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At present I agree with the rest , At present Israel’s policies are terribly ineffective . Every few years , go in cut the grass.

How about a fundamental policy change , Cultivate a relationship with Palestine show them that a democratic society is far superior to their society. Marshall candidates in their election

The only disadvantage would be the results could not be NOW , it would take time
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Little late to the game. Israel has tried that for 50 years, give or take, as did the UN and League of Nations before them.
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ey surely HAVE NOT tried in the last 15 years , they have" Mowed the grass" like 4 times since 2000

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

The way I understand it , they are lined up to kick Israel’s ass [/quote]

I am curious as to why you desire Israel’s “ass kicked.”

The wishful thinking and desire to kill Jews just radiates from your posts.

Do you hate Jews?

Or do you hate the Evangelical Christians that support them (support, I must note, not particularly desired from religious Jews, at least)?

Or do you consider the Palestinians more “brown” and thus more admirable than the believe-to-be less brown Jews?

Seriously, you have no logic to your posts, so it has to be some sort of hatred.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
“Hamas had little to lose.”

Hamas Gambled on War as Its Woes Grew in Gaza - The New York Times [/quote]

The way I understand it , they are lined up to kick Israel’s ass and Ironically Humas is the best (Least Bad ) of the group[/quote]

Oh.
Which cartoon did you get that from?

Please cite.