Escalation in Israel

jbpick86 · July 22, 2014, 1:30pm

You say this:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
If not for America’s influence, Israel would never be what it is today . It would at least get along with more people in the region or it would fail to exist .
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Then this:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Israel has few friends in the region , Allah is a uniting force
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So this makes me think you truly do understand the folly of your thinking. Either that or you are too dense to see how one statement makes the other ludicrous.

If Israel tried to play nice, they would cease to exist, with or without our help. They would be overrun quickly and decisively. They are basically surrounded by countries that believe with religious zeal that they should not exist and should be destroyed. As strongly as I believe that Jesus Christ is my savior, those countries believe that Israel and the Jews in it should all perish by their hand.

Do you truly not understand this or are you just being purposefully dense?

SexMachine · July 22, 2014, 1:34pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

pan out until you run out of Muslim Nations . West All of Africa, East to Thailand , North to Russia , South to Yeman.

And you think America will tolerate Israel nuking all that part of the world . Israel would be swallowed Whole [/quote]

The better question is do you think America would tolerate Israel’s enemies trying to nuke/attack them? No, we wouldn’t. And neither would the rest of the Western world. Sure, we as allies would be angry and horrified, but we would still defend Israel to the death.

Which is the greater sin, Israel striking first to keep from being annihilated, or the US standing idly by while the snakes slowly circle and strike, blowing out the lone bright light in the worst place on Earth??
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If not for America’s influence, Israel would never be what it is today . It would at least get along with more people in the region or it would fail to exist .

Israel is at this point every couple years , when are they going to change their policies , they are truly our DRAMATIC CHILD .

We would have to defend Israel , I can not speak for the CJS , I just wish they would change their policies , make an effort , treat Palistinians.

What ??? you say they treat Palestinians right ??? Youtube tells different tale SSSSSSS
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Youtube tells a different tale does it? I was under the impression that videos on youtube tell all kinds of different tales depending on who uploaded them. As to your other “source” - electronicintifada - it’s virulently anti-Semitic propaganda. Do you support an intifada against Israel? Let’s take a look at one of the opening incidents of the last intifada against Israel:

On October 12 2000, two Israeli Defense Force reservists entered Ramallah. Palestinian police officers then kidnapped them at gun point and took them to a police station. Word spread that two Jews were in police custody and a crowd of over 1000 Palestinians descended on the police station calling for their murder. The police and the Palestinian mob then stabbed them, gouged out their eyes and threw their bodies out the window into the street. The mob then disembowelled them and danced around holding their hearts and livers in their hands. The bodies were set on fire and dragged through the streets. All of it was photographed. Google “Ramallah lynching” and take a look at some of the photos. This event is often celebrated by Palestinians - you’ll also see photos of children with red paint on their hands imitating one of the murderers who waved to the crowd with bloody hands from the window of the police station.

pittbulll · July 22, 2014, 1:42pm

To address all the issues of a prison camp , water , electricity ,sewage and trash should be managed by Israel . Israel at present control everything going in and everything going out , it is a prison .

Palestinians are second rate to Israelis , fix that as well and I bet a lot of Israels problems go away.

I know it will cost money , I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away

jbpick86 · July 22, 2014, 1:50pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
To address all the issues of a prison camp , water , electricity ,sewage and trash should be managed by Israel . Israel at present control everything going in and everything going out , it is a prison .

Palestinians are second rate to Israelis , fix that as well and I bet a lot of Israels problems go away.

I know it will cost money , I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away [/quote]

You are aware that even if Israel signed over the Gaza strip and all the land up to Jerusalem that they would still be attacked by the Palestinians correct? By their doctrine they cannot allow Israel to exist because they consider all that land Palestine. And it is not a minority that believes this. That was proven evident when they elected Hamas (a terrorist organization) to be their leaders. Palestine doesn’t just want their own little slice of land, they want all the land and the heads of the Jews living in it.

But you just keep your head in the sand over that one crucial detail. At this rate the UN will be giving you a call to assist in global policy.

pittbulll · July 22, 2014, 2:01pm

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

If Israel tried to play nice,
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They tried to play nice with Humas while they beat up Palestinians , What is ludicrous about that statement

SexMachine · July 22, 2014, 2:07pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
To address all the issues of a prison camp , water , electricity ,sewage and trash should be managed by Israel . Israel at present control everything going in and everything going out , it is a prison .

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Take a look at these photos:

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2012/04/15/oh-boo-hoo-those-poor-starving-oppressed-no-longer-occupied-arabs-of-gaza/

How is that a “prison?”

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Palestinians are second rate to Israelis , fix that as well and I bet a lot of Israels problems go away.

I know it will cost money , I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away [/quote]

Neither did the Jews.

'When Israel was founded in 1948, its Declaration of Independence specifically called on its Arab inhabitants to “participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship…”

…recent Harvard study found that 77% of Arab Israelis would rather live in Israel than in any other country. Many Arabs have also stated that they would much rather live in Israel than under Palestinian rule.’

smh_23 · July 22, 2014, 2:08pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away [/quote]

No, but somebody did it for you:

jbpick86 · July 22, 2014, 2:09pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

If Israel tried to play nice,
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They tried to play nice with Humas while they beat up Palestinians , What is ludicrous about that statement [/quote]

You addressed five words, minute amount and the most irrelevant part of what I wrote with a statement that isn’t based on anything. Just out of curiosity, what did you mean by that, then once you get that drivel out of your system how about you address the rest of what I wrote regarding the lunacy in Israel “playing nice”?

pittbulll · July 22, 2014, 2:40pm

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
To address all the issues of a prison camp , water , electricity ,sewage and trash should be managed by Israel . Israel at present control everything going in and everything going out , it is a prison .

Palestinians are second rate to Israelis , fix that as well and I bet a lot of Israels problems go away.

I know it will cost money , I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away [/quote]

You are aware that even if Israel signed over the Gaza strip and all the land up to Jerusalem that they would still be attacked by the Palestinians correct? By their doctrine they cannot allow Israel to exist because they consider all that land Palestine. And it is not a minority that believes this. That was proven evident when they elected Hamas (a terrorist organization) to be their leaders. Palestine doesn’t just want their own little slice of land, they want all the land and the heads of the Jews living in it.

But you just keep your head in the sand over that one crucial detail. At this rate the UN will be giving you a call to assist in global policy.
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At present I agree with the rest , At present Israel’s policies are terribly ineffective . Every few years , go in cut the grass.

How about a fundamental policy change , Cultivate a relationship with Palestine show them that a democratic society is far superior to their society. Marshall candidates in their election

The only disadvantage would be the results could not be NOW , it would take time

SexMachine · July 22, 2014, 2:45pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

How about a fundamental policy change , Cultivate a relationship with Palestine show them that a democratic society is far superior to their society. Marshall candidates in their election
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system · July 22, 2014, 2:45pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
To address all the issues of a prison camp , water , electricity ,sewage and trash should be managed by Israel . Israel at present control everything going in and everything going out , it is a prison .

Palestinians are second rate to Israelis , fix that as well and I bet a lot of Israels problems go away.

I know it will cost money , I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away [/quote]

You are aware that even if Israel signed over the Gaza strip and all the land up to Jerusalem that they would still be attacked by the Palestinians correct? By their doctrine they cannot allow Israel to exist because they consider all that land Palestine. And it is not a minority that believes this. That was proven evident when they elected Hamas (a terrorist organization) to be their leaders. Palestine doesn’t just want their own little slice of land, they want all the land and the heads of the Jews living in it.

But you just keep your head in the sand over that one crucial detail. At this rate the UN will be giving you a call to assist in global policy.
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At present I agree with the rest , At present Israel’s policies are terribly ineffective . Every few years , go in cut the grass.

How about a fundamental policy change , Cultivate a relationship with Palestine show them that a democratic society is far superior to their society. Marshall candidates in their election

The only disadvantage would be the results could not be NOW , it would take time
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Little late to the game. Israel has tried that for 50 years, give or take, as did the UN and League of Nations before them.

jbpick86 · July 22, 2014, 2:51pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
How about a fundamental policy change , Cultivate a relationship with Palestine show them that a democratic society is far superior to their society. Marshall candidates in their election
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You didn’t read what I wrote did you? Palestine doesn’t want peace with Israel, no matter how big the olive branch they extend. They want to destroy them. Sharia law and a society where Jews and Muslims live in peaceful bliss do not coincide. Do you not see that?

system · July 22, 2014, 2:52pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away [/quote]

Except my peoples, you mean.

But regarding Israel, you’ve been given links on this very site to disprove your proposition that Israel stole land is complete bullshit. Israel did not steal land from anyone. The land was granted by the Ottoman Empire, England, blessed by the League of Nations, and then the UN. It was originally Jewish land of antiquity, continued to be occupied by Jews, and only in the mid-to-early 1900s (with German help) were the Jews driven from their land for a brief time. Private land at issue was bought-and-sold by willing seller to willing buyer at market rates.

And, yet you re-post the lie, over-and-over.

As you re-post every single talking point of the so-called Palestinians. Over-and-over.

Pittbull, just admit you hate Jews for whatever reason and want them to die.

It’s a more intellectually honest position that twisting and lying like you do.

kaaleppi · July 22, 2014, 3:35pm

One of the problems is that there is only victims in the area, no perpetrators ever to be found. Two narratives that never align. Victims are always waiting, if not for revenge, at least rich compensation. Natural human behavior, but there will never be any peace. Dead babies wont cause any problems in the future, but those that survive will. A new batch of victims.

The reasons and causes are long ago gone. It’s idle arguing by outsiders. Solutions? Some here are for a lot of bodies, preferably Palestinian bodies. That’s the traditional way to settle these kind of things. We’ll see. I don’t think it is an option for Israel.

shorty_blitz · July 22, 2014, 3:41pm

Ruffian, you sound like this little boy on the phone lol

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away [/quote]

Except my peoples, you mean.

But regarding Israel, you’ve been given links on this very site to disprove your proposition that Israel stole land is complete bullshit. Israel did not steal land from anyone. The land was granted by the Ottoman Empire, England, blessed by the League of Nations, and then the UN. It was originally Jewish land of antiquity, continued to be occupied by Jews, and only in the mid-to-early 1900s (with German help) were the Jews driven from their land for a brief time. Private land at issue was bought-and-sold by willing seller to willing buyer at market rates.

And, yet you re-post the lie, over-and-over.

As you re-post every single talking point of the so-called Palestinians. Over-and-over.

Pittbull, just admit you hate Jews for whatever reason and want them to die.

It’s a more intellectually honest position that twisting and lying like you do.[/quote]

pat · July 22, 2014, 3:43pm