[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
If the U.S. did not help Israel, they would have been destroyed by every Arab country in the region and mass genocide would have ensued…
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that is my point , if Israel is acting bad , America is enabling it
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Wow, you missed the point. Nevermind, I am not even going to bother.
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Ruffian, you sound like this little boy on the phone lol
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away [/quote]
Except my peoples, you mean.
But regarding Israel, you’ve been given links on this very site to disprove your proposition that Israel stole land is complete bullshit. Israel did not steal land from anyone. The land was granted by the Ottoman Empire, England, blessed by the League of Nations, and then the UN. It was originally Jewish land of antiquity, continued to be occupied by Jews, and only in the mid-to-early 1900s (with German help) were the Jews driven from their land for a brief time. Private land at issue was bought-and-sold by willing seller to willing buyer at market rates.
And, yet you re-post the lie, over-and-over.
As you re-post every single talking point of the so-called Palestinians. Over-and-over.
Pittbull, just admit you hate Jews for whatever reason and want them to die.
It’s a more intellectually honest position that twisting and lying like you do.[/quote]
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Both Mr. Galloway and the hapless caller are anhistorical idiots.
History is not a popularity contest; there is no “binding vote” about the truth. The caller, however, however, is not bound by any particular ethical constraints.
Mr. Galloway, on the other hand, a man know to have more opinions that facts on hand, as a “radio personality,” does have a responsibility to be truthful. At least he could to a better job at disguising his rabid prejudices; at most, he is a clown.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
“Hamas had little to lose.”
Hamas Gambled on War as Its Woes Grew in Gaza - The New York Times [/quote]
The way I understand it , they are lined up to kick Israel’s ass and Ironically Humas is the best (Least Bad ) of the group[/quote]
I got to hand it to you pitt, your a one man wrecking crew.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
…at most, he is a clown.
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Indeed. I didn’t realise that was Galloway. I should’ve recognised the voice. Above is Galloway donating money to his “dear friend” Ismail Haniyeh.
“I, now, here, on behalf of myself, my sister Yvonne Ridley, and the two Respect councillors - Muhammad Ishtiaq and Naim Khan - are giving three cars and 25,000 pounds in cash to Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh. Here is the money. This is not charity. This is politics.”
Not charity - politics. A strong supporter of the Hamas. This is modern. Britain where you can give money to Hamas but if you’re a conservative talk show host(Michael Savage) you go on a terrorist watch list and are banned from entering the country.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
…You don’t get to define if they are victims. They themselves do that.
…[/quote]
Yes. Palestinians, and acutely, Gazans, are victims. But to correct their miserable state, one must ask, “Victims, yes…but of whom?”
*Why is it that, among all, yes all, the refugees of the 20th Century, only Palestinians are refugees are held as stateless, and imprisoned in refugee “camps,” in Arab countries? The law on refugees indicates that the the generation born in a country of refugee assumes the citizenship of that country (lex soli). It is by their Arab brothers that Palestinians were and are held stateless, by tacit agreements of the 1950s. The UN–and not the Arab host countries–foot the bill.
And the Palestinians are their victims.
*Why is it that the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank after 1948 did not lead to a separate or to an affiliated state? No one remember Black September, 1970?
And the Palestinians are their victims.
*Why is it that after the June 1967 war, as Golda Meir said, “We sat by the phone. But it never rang”? Dayan did not want the Old City–a “useless Vatican” is what he called it during war planning. Meir did not want to administer occupied territories. But her “Arab neighbors” did not want to negotiate from weakness, and they did not want an independent Palestinian entity. They wanted the next war to set matters straight–by eliminating the nation of Israel.
And the Palestinians are their victims.
*Others have commented on Israel’s unilateral evacuation of Gaza in 2005, hoping that its better infrastructure would freely become the nucleus of a Palestinian state. Events in 2007 and since dictated otherwise. Gaza has not been occupied territory since 2005; it has been a rocket base with population attached-- by the choice of their desperate masters, Hamas.
I do not blame the Palestinians for electing a Hamas Thug Regime–anyone from Chicago knows what is like to be held captive by a one-party state, although the Gazans have the added misery of patronage-at-the-point-of-a-Kalashnikov. But as recent events make clear–the rockets, the “human shields,” concrete for war tunnels and not for schools–it is the Hamas Thug Regime which has prevailed, without regard to civilians. Yes, Hamas has a “charity wing.”
But the Palestinians are their victims.
*Since the “Cold Peace” with Egypt and Jordan, it is in the charters and immutable ideologies of Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah, that the nation and–as understood by every Arab–the people of
Israel is to be eliminated by violence. What alternatives are left for Israel? It is those Arab parties, with transnational aspirations, which hold them hostage–Palestinians are their victims.
*Last, I truly believe that Israel has lost “world opinion.” Witness events in Europe, where antisemitism isn’t even disguised any longer as “anti-Zionism” or criticism of Israel’s government. If “world opinion,” impotent as it is, is lost, then what more does Israel have to lose? Obama and Kerry’s moral support? A vacancy. Israel is now in the position of destroying a terrorist infrastructure, or enduring years of it–clearly Hamas’ preference.
And the Palestinian are its victims.
It is up to the victims to identify, not just themselves, but their victimizers. And until Palestinians do so, they are also their own victims.
But don’t make the mistake of thinking Galloway is an anti-Semite. Far from it. Why here he is with some of his Jewish friends. I think they’re called Neturei Karta or something like that.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The way I understand it , they are lined up to kick Israel’s ass [/quote]
I am curious as to why you desire Israel’s “ass kicked.”
The wishful thinking and desire to kill Jews just radiates from your posts.
Do you hate Jews?
Or do you hate the Evangelical Christians that support them (support, I must note, not particularly desired from religious Jews, at least)?
Or do you consider the Palestinians more “brown” and thus more admirable than the believe-to-be less brown Jews?
Seriously, you have no logic to your posts, so it has to be some sort of hatred.[/quote]
I think it’s just fashionable among knee-jerk liberals to bash Israel.[/quote]
I realize that I may have insulted American women when I said I thought pittbull was an American female.
I apologize for my generalized and misleading statement.
What I actually was picking up from his expressions was a weak, feeble minded, emotionally driven, wickedly twisted perceptions of reality, hatred just oozing out enough to be toxic at slow but effective doses - type arguments normally expressed by liberal females.
It is quite astonishing how it sucks in the vitality and the sanity of the average stable minded person.
I was happy lurking and I have to admit it sucked me in ( Also from a couple of other posters who display the same mental illness that is liberalism ).
The question is how is America going to protect itself from this insidious disease?
How to proceed, and how to fight, gentlemen, when the enemy is within?
Withdraw? Ignore? Expose it for what it is?
How does one silence madness?
8:30
I’m also not particularly a huge fan of him, I think he’s a good speaker though.
Also, that kid was a little out of his depths maybe.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Ruffian, you sound like this little boy on the phone lol
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I did not move into a land , take it over and claim God gave me the right to chase all others away [/quote]
Except my peoples, you mean.
But regarding Israel, you’ve been given links on this very site to disprove your proposition that Israel stole land is complete bullshit. Israel did not steal land from anyone. The land was granted by the Ottoman Empire, England, blessed by the League of Nations, and then the UN. It was originally Jewish land of antiquity, continued to be occupied by Jews, and only in the mid-to-early 1900s (with German help) were the Jews driven from their land for a brief time. Private land at issue was bought-and-sold by willing seller to willing buyer at market rates.
And, yet you re-post the lie, over-and-over.
As you re-post every single talking point of the so-called Palestinians. Over-and-over.
Pittbull, just admit you hate Jews for whatever reason and want them to die.
It’s a more intellectually honest position that twisting and lying like you do.[/quote]
[/quote]
Both Mr. Galloway and the hapless caller are anhistorical idiots.
History is not a popularity contest; there is no “binding vote” about the truth. The caller, however, however, is not bound by any particular ethical constraints.
Mr. Galloway, on the other hand, a man know to have more opinions that facts on hand, as a “radio personality,” does have a responsibility to be truthful. At least he could to a better job at disguising his rabid prejudices; at most, he is a clown.
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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
*Last, I truly believe that Israel has lost “world opinion.” Witness events in Europe, where antisemitism isn’t even disguised any longer as “anti-Zionism” or criticism of Israel’s government. If “world opinion,” impotent as it is, is lost, then what more does Israel have to lose? Obama and Kerry’s moral support? A vacancy. Israel is now in the position of destroying a terrorist infrastructure, or enduring years of it–clearly Hamas’ preference.
And the Palestinian are its victims.
It is up to the victims to identify, not just themselves, but their victimizers. And until Palestinians do so, they are also their own victims.[/quote]
Excellence, all of this post.
I would like to say, however that the “world opinion” and events in Europe calling for destruction of the Jews is due to Muslim migration and expansion. I believe it is the Muslims in Europe and I do not view any Muslim to be Palestinian American or Palestinian Australian or Palestinian British. I have in mind the Palestinian teenager who resides in Tampa, FL. Who took a vacation to go throw rocks at officers in another country and was portrayed as an “American citizen” victim of Israel’s police.
If an American teenager decided to resist arrest and thrust his hand with anything at a police officer here I think he would be perceived as a threat by the officer and possibly shot.
The events we witness is Europe are an example of this “Muslim Americanism” where Muslims switch and change their clothing from sheep to wolf’ from Muslim to European or Muslim to American as a tool of manipulation to achieve their goals.
I do not view Muslims in Europe as Europeans.
I have also yet to see a true Mexican American.
Muslims are infiltrating and gradually dominating the world ( slowly but effectively like the quiet but intense toxic hatred from liberalism ) and they are forcing themselves and their world opinion onto the world.
The Muslim world/perception of reality is not my world. It is not my reality.
By force one man or nation or ideology ( Liberalism, Islam currently ) can violate another man and enslave him physically but it/they cannot violate a man’s spirit.
It is up to us individually and collectively as the parallel world to the Muslim world, not to become their victims.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
8:30[/quote]
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
I’m also not particularly a huge fan of him, I think he’s a good speaker though.
…
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No. THIS is a good speaker.
What Galloway is something else entirely, a factless, bombastic bully and an inveterate bigot.
Clear now?
Lol can’t argue with those speakers.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
I’m also not particularly a huge fan of him, I think he’s a good speaker though.
…
[/quote]
No. THIS is a good speaker.
What Galloway is something else entirely, a factless, bombastic bully and an inveterate bigot.
Clear now?[/quote]
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
…You don’t get to define if they are victims. They themselves do that.
…[/quote]
Yes. Palestinians, and acutely, Gazans, are victims. But to correct their miserable state, one must ask, “Victims, yes…but of whom?”
*Why is it that, among all, yes all, the refugees of the 20th Century, only Palestinians are refugees are held as stateless, and imprisoned in refugee “camps,” in Arab countries? The law on refugees indicates that the the generation born in a country of refugee assumes the citizenship of that country (lex soli). It is by their Arab brothers that Palestinians were and are held stateless, by tacit agreements of the 1950s. The UN–and not the Arab host countries–foot the bill.
And the Palestinians are their victims.
*Why is it that the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank after 1948 did not lead to a separate or to an affiliated state? No one remember Black September, 1970?
And the Palestinians are their victims.
*Why is it that after the June 1967 war, as Golda Meir said, “We sat by the phone. But it never rang”? Dayan did not want the Old City–a “useless Vatican” is what he called it during war planning. Meir did not want to administer occupied territories. But her “Arab neighbors” did not want to negotiate from weakness, and they did not want an independent Palestinian entity. They wanted the next war to set matters straight–by eliminating the nation of Israel.
And the Palestinians are their victims.
*Others have commented on Israel’s unilateral evacuation of Gaza in 2005, hoping that its better infrastructure would freely become the nucleus of a Palestinian state. Events in 2007 and since dictated otherwise. Gaza has not been occupied territory since 2005; it has been a rocket base with population attached-- by the choice of their desperate masters, Hamas.
I do not blame the Palestinians for electing a Hamas Thug Regime–anyone from Chicago knows what is like to be held captive by a one-party state, although the Gazans have the added misery of patronage-at-the-point-of-a-Kalashnikov. But as recent events make clear–the rockets, the “human shields,” concrete for war tunnels and not for schools–it is the Hamas Thug Regime which has prevailed, without regard to civilians. Yes, Hamas has a “charity wing.”
But the Palestinians are their victims.
*Since the “Cold Peace” with Egypt and Jordan, it is in the charters and immutable ideologies of Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah, that the nation and–as understood by every Arab–the people of
Israel is to be eliminated by violence. What alternatives are left for Israel? It is those Arab parties, with transnational aspirations, which hold them hostage–Palestinians are their victims.
*Last, I truly believe that Israel has lost “world opinion.” Witness events in Europe, where antisemitism isn’t even disguised any longer as “anti-Zionism” or criticism of Israel’s government. If “world opinion,” impotent as it is, is lost, then what more does Israel have to lose? Obama and Kerry’s moral support? A vacancy. Israel is now in the position of destroying a terrorist infrastructure, or enduring years of it–clearly Hamas’ preference.
And the Palestinian are its victims.
It is up to the victims to identify, not just themselves, but their victimizers. And until Palestinians do so, they are also their own victims.[/quote]
Well said, being a victim is a state of mind with practically only negative qualities. A victim is also in the end always an individual. Those young people who are victimized now will not care about what happened in the past.
As I see it, Netanyahu wasn’t too keen to start this ground offensive and the stated goal is only to destroy the tunnels. We’ll see what happens.
There was an upbeat article in Jerusalem Post today about the statement by EU that condemned Hamas and demanded that excessive violence must be avoided. The writer was happy that the statement didn’t accuse Israel of excessive violence. Which is apparently of importance and a deliberate act in diplomatic parlance. An upbeat article in Jerusalem Post, hmm, it happens, but not that often.
Antisemitism, it is obviously on the rise, especially in countries that have a lot of Muslim immigrants - literally. Ahasverus may not be wandering any more, but that seems to be of no importance. This is weird, but even weirder is that this hate is often expressed by people who don’t have any kind of contact with Jews in their lives. Not a single Jew has ever had a chance to personally offend them. Some kind of projection, I guess. I think it goes in families, at least when we are talking about European antisemitism. Which is happily joining forces with Muslim antisemitism because it hates Jews even more than Muslims.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Antisemitism, it is obviously on the rise, especially in countries that have a lot of Muslim immigrants - literally. Ahasverus may not be wandering any more, but that seems to be of no importance. This is weird, but even weirder is that this hate is often expressed by people who don’t have any kind of contact with Jews in their lives. Not a single Jew has ever had a chance to personally offend them. Some kind of projection, I guess. I think it goes in families, at least when we are talking about European antisemitism. Which is happily joining forces with Muslim antisemitism because it hates Jews even more than Muslims.
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Some of us, like me, see a biblical basis for this perpetual hatred of Jews in terms of an explanation of “Why?”[/quote]
The history of Christianity has to do with the origins of antisemitism, no doubt. Same as the history of Islam. Two roads to some kind of patricide.
That’s probably not exactly what you meant, though. You are talking about Bible interpretation, I guess.
E: I must add that I think antisemitism is also partly ignorance when it comes to young people. Who doesn’t want to hate evil usurpers and fight for the good. But that excuse doesn’t exist for grown-ups.
[quote]P7M8 wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
*Last, I truly believe that Israel has lost “world opinion.” Witness events in Europe, where antisemitism isn’t even disguised any longer as “anti-Zionism” or criticism of Israel’s government. If “world opinion,” impotent as it is, is lost, then what more does Israel have to lose? Obama and Kerry’s moral support? A vacancy. Israel is now in the position of destroying a terrorist infrastructure, or enduring years of it–clearly Hamas’ preference.
And the Palestinian are its victims.
It is up to the victims to identify, not just themselves, but their victimizers. And until Palestinians do so, they are also their own victims.[/quote]
Excellence, all of this post.
I would like to say, however that the “world opinion” and events in Europe calling for destruction of the Jews is due to Muslim migration and expansion. I believe it is the Muslims in Europe and I do not view any Muslim to be Palestinian American or Palestinian Australian or Palestinian British. I have in mind the Palestinian teenager who resides in Tampa, FL. Who took a vacation to go throw rocks at officers in another country and was portrayed as an “American citizen” victim of Israel’s police.
If an American teenager decided to resist arrest and thrust his hand with anything at a police officer here I think he would be perceived as a threat by the officer and possibly shot.
The events we witness is Europe are an example of this “Muslim Americanism” where Muslims switch and change their clothing from sheep to wolf’ from Muslim to European or Muslim to American as a tool of manipulation to achieve their goals.
I do not view Muslims in Europe as Europeans.
I have also yet to see a true Mexican American.
Muslims are infiltrating and gradually dominating the world ( slowly but effectively like the quiet but intense toxic hatred from liberalism ) and they are forcing themselves and their world opinion onto the world.
The Muslim world/perception of reality is not my world. It is not my reality.
By force one man or nation or ideology ( Liberalism, Islam currently ) can violate another man and enslave him physically but it/they cannot violate a man’s spirit.
It is up to us individually and collectively as the parallel world to the Muslim world, not to become their victims.
[/quote]
What a ridiculous and uninformed post. Very incoherent and stupid. You also need to work on your English writing because even for an online forum you write like shit (as in you’re unintelligible, I’m not commenting on grammar).
You’ve yet to see a true Mexican American?? Not only irrelevant but also incredibly offensive. I don’t know what your definition of American is, but there are countless people of Mexican heritage who are legal citizens of the USA, speak fluent English, pay taxes, support a family, watch the NFL, and go to church. Is that not American enough for you?
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Anti-Israel and antisemitic sentiment in Europe is a real thing and it’s not confined to Muslim immigrants. It’s a huge problem that’s actually getting worse. Jewish organizations and leaders from around the world have certainly taken notice. To think European natives couldn’t possible harbor antisemitic views is just plain dumb and shows how ignorant you are to reality and history.
The rest of your post is drivel and I’m not going to dissect it to illustrate how uninformed you are. I just wanted to point out a widely held misconception that it’s only Muslims who are antisemitic which is an absurd notion and also dangerous, particularly for Jews.
Even though I shouldn’t have to do this, and have already posted a lot of my thoughts in this thread, I’ll reiterate that I support Israel’s right to exist and defend herself. And I am neither a Muslim nor a Mexican.
I’ll leave you with a tip, when you’re obviously not well-read on a topic it makes you look like a super dipshit when you come as so sure of yourself, especially when making sweeping judgments of entire groups of people.