May be you should have just posted the link rather than wasting your breath with the commentary . I will see if I can find a LINK that I can open with my software [/quote]
I am breathing just fine. Don’t worry about me. I won’t worry about you.
May be you should have just posted the link rather than wasting your breath with the commentary . I will see if I can find a LINK that I can open with my software [/quote]
I am breathing just fine. Don’t worry about me. I won’t worry about you.
May be you should have just posted the link rather than wasting your breath with the commentary . I will see if I can find a LINK that I can open with my software [/quote]
I am breathing just fine. Don’t worry about me. I won’t worry about you.
my new computer will not open a PDF yet . I am not going to shop to veiw a file that is all about Jesus
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Another assumption made on no information whatsoever. Classic, pitt, classic.
Hint: export or copy page. Open in Adobe Reader (free.) Read.
Do you not find it somewhat intellectually confining to limit your research to youtube cartoons and High Times?[/quote]
I only have so much time ,
My new computer Lenovo has many issues , I am considering bringing in some one to trouble shoot all the bugs . I have (MOST) of the pop ups ups under control but every time I try to down load some thing I get high jacked . Sorry I am not a nerd
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
At the great Doctor , I can not access your file , from what I can tell the organization is a Christian Org. that promotes for Israel ???
They Claim Israel has ordination from the ALMIGHTY ?? Is that the post you want me to see . If you don’t answer the post I will know you are a very busy person and it was not worth the time [/quote]
An “academic review of land ownership and purchases” - sounds decidedly like some crackpot Jesus tract for sure.
The story begins somewhere between 1880 and 1890, I think. [/quote]
what specifically happened between those dates Jewish History 1880 - 1889 I could not pull anything that would seem to matter in that time frame
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It’s the beginning of Zionism in Vienna. After that Jews started moving to Palestine to fulfill a dream. Arabs moved to Palestine to find work that the influx of Jews from Europe created. A big boomtown basically.
The story begins somewhere between 1880 and 1890, I think. [/quote]
what specifically happened between those dates Jewish History 1880 - 1889 I could not pull anything that would seem to matter in that time frame
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It’s the beginning of Zionism in Vienna. After that Jews started moving to Palestine to fulfill a dream. Arabs moved to Palestine to find work that the influx of Jews from Europe created. A big boomtown basically.
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Herzl was a late-comer; an emancipated Jew who only late in his life saw the impossibility of European Emancipation.
The “proto-Zionists” were busy long before Herzl’s success as a promoter, organizer, journalist, minor novelist. For example:
Please see my reference to land purchases after 1880, rebutted to pittbull’s 6 minute cartoon view of this world.
For the secondary history, documents and sources of the “boomtown” during Mandatory Palestine, see the ambivalent history by Martin Gilbert, “Churchill and the Jews.” Some reading reflects Churchill’s biases, most are from his notes when he was in Government, or as a critical back-bencher in the late '30s.
The story begins somewhere between 1880 and 1890, I think. [/quote]
what specifically happened between those dates Jewish History 1880 - 1889 I could not pull anything that would seem to matter in that time frame
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It’s the beginning of Zionism in Vienna. After that Jews started moving to Palestine to fulfill a dream. Arabs moved to Palestine to find work that the influx of Jews from Europe created. A big boomtown basically.
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Herzl was a late-comer; an emancipated Jew who only late in his life saw the impossibility of European Emancipation.
The “proto-Zionists” were busy long before Herzl’s success as a promoter, organizer, journalist, minor novelist. For example:
Please see my reference to land purchases after 1880, rebutted to pittbull’s 6 minute cartoon view of this world.
For the secondary history, documents and sources of the “boomtown” during Mandatory Palestine, see the ambivalent history by Martin Gilbert, “Churchill and the Jews.” Some reading reflects Churchill’s biases, most are from his notes when he was in Government, or as a critical back-bencher in the late '30s.
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I’ve wanted to read that book for a while. I’ve read most of Gilbert’s biography of Churchill which covers some of it. The first two volumes were by Churchill’s son Randolph who died shortly before volume two’s publication.
The story begins somewhere between 1880 and 1890, I think. [/quote]
what specifically happened between those dates Jewish History 1880 - 1889 I could not pull anything that would seem to matter in that time frame
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It’s the beginning of Zionism in Vienna. After that Jews started moving to Palestine to fulfill a dream. Arabs moved to Palestine to find work that the influx of Jews from Europe created. A big boomtown basically.
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Herzl was a late-comer; an emancipated Jew who only late in his life saw the impossibility of European Emancipation.
The “proto-Zionists” were busy long before Herzl’s success as a promoter, organizer, journalist, minor novelist. For example:
Please see my reference to land purchases after 1880, rebutted to pittbull’s 6 minute cartoon view of this world.
For the secondary history, documents and sources of the “boomtown” during Mandatory Palestine, see the ambivalent history by Martin Gilbert, “Churchill and the Jews.” Some reading reflects Churchill’s biases, most are from his notes when he was in Government, or as a critical back-bencher in the late '30s.
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How much can you say in 3 sentences? Herzl was not the first sign of Zionism, Darwin wasn’t the first sign of the idea of evolution.
Boomtown as a word may have negative connotations that I’m not even aware of, but I thought of it in the sense that it captures the spirit of rapid growth and high hopes.
I remember reading that among the first to move to Palestine in the 19th century were Russian Jews. They purportedly had a more traditional colonialist view, in contrast to the idealism of Zionism. Also purportedly they didn’t get along too well. Alas, I can’t remember what the source was. Academic literature, anyhow. Some years ago I felt the need to make a foray in the subject.
I really should write down the name of every book i read, since they get chewed and spit out and I totally forget titles and authors.
E: About Herzl as novelist. Stefan Zweig did like and appreciate Herzl but didn’t think much about his novels.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
At the great Doctor , I can not access your file , from what I can tell the organization is a Christian Org. that promotes for Israel ???
They Claim Israel has ordination from the ALMIGHTY ?? Is that the post you want me to see . If you don’t answer the post I will know you are a very busy person and it was not worth the time [/quote]
An “academic review of land ownership and purchases” - sounds decidedly like some crackpot Jesus tract for sure.
I saw that and I agree . He also said that Israel should not be above criticism .
Maher’s views are his opinion and I respect them but there are others , mine included I understand Israels motivations as well as Humas’s . I am not sure the way Israel is approaching the Gazan issue is the best .
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
A guide for the perplexed:
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IMO I understood what Humas wants , also I feel I understand what Israel wants . I am not sure Israel is choosing the best way to reach their goal .
I think Israel has what ever disease that America has and it is a lack of empathy . We and they can not do what ever we and they want with out paying the consequences
Does Israel field candidates in Gazan elections ?
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No. Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews. Jews aren’t allowed to live in Gaza. And if an Arab sells land to a Jew in West Bank the Arab is likely to get executed by his fellow Arabs.
But of course it’s the Israelis who “lack empathy” isn’t it?
Does Israel field candidates in Gazan elections ?
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No. Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews. Jews aren’t allowed to live in Gaza. And if an Arab sells land to a Jew in West Bank the Arab is likely to get executed by his fellow Arabs.
But of course it’s the Israelis who “lack empathy” isn’t it?[/quote]
I know it is hard for you to understand , but this is how people learn . I will say if you were to occupy me , it would be hard for me to give you a place in my Government . I know Humas is bad , I also know there are many worse out there waiting to fill Humas’s shoes
Does Israel field candidates in Gazan elections ?
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No. Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews. Jews aren’t allowed to live in Gaza. And if an Arab sells land to a Jew in West Bank the Arab is likely to get executed by his fellow Arabs.
But of course it’s the Israelis who “lack empathy” isn’t it?[/quote]
Does Israel field candidates in Gazan elections ?
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No. Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews. Jews aren’t allowed to live in Gaza. And if an Arab sells land to a Jew in West Bank the Arab is likely to get executed by his fellow Arabs.
But of course it’s the Israelis who “lack empathy” isn’t it?[/quote]
So a Palestinian could buy Israeli land ?
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Does Israel field candidates in Gazan elections ?
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No. Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews. Jews aren’t allowed to live in Gaza. And if an Arab sells land to a Jew in West Bank the Arab is likely to get executed by his fellow Arabs.
But of course it’s the Israelis who “lack empathy” isn’t it?[/quote]
So a Palestinian could buy Israeli land ?
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A Palestinian living in Israel can of course.[/quote]
Does Israel field candidates in Gazan elections ?
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No. Gaza was ethnically cleansed of Jews. Jews aren’t allowed to live in Gaza. And if an Arab sells land to a Jew in West Bank the Arab is likely to get executed by his fellow Arabs.
But of course it’s the Israelis who “lack empathy” isn’t it?[/quote]
So a Palestinian could buy Israeli land ?
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A Palestinian living in Israel can of course.[/quote]
with all the same rights and privilege ?
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No. The Arabs get more privileges.
“…when it comes to residential land, the ILA sometimes offers Israeli Arabs more favorable terms from than it does to Israeli Jews. Thus, the ILA charged the equivalent of $24,000 for a capital lease on a quarter of an acre in new Jewish communities near Beersheva while Bedouin families in the nearby community of Rahat paid only $150 for the same amount of land.16 In a different case, when a Jewish policeman from Beersheva, Eleizer Avitan, applied to the ILA to lease land in a Bedouin community under the same highly subsidized terms available to the Bedouins, the ILA refused to lease him land there under any terms, so he sued. Israel’s Supreme Court ruled in favor of the ILA, saying that what might be viewed as ILA discrimination against the Jewish citizen Avitan was justified as affirmative action for Bedouin citizens.” - Alexander Safian
“There are no restrictions on the purchase of private land in Israel. Israeli Arabs or non-citizens, including Arab foreigners, may freely purchase it. The Israeli authorities have placed no obstacles in the way of such purchases…”
And by contrast:
“The Palestinian Authority’s justice minister, Freih Abu Meddein, announced in early May 1997 that Palestinians who sell land to Jews will face the death penalty and over the next few weeks, at least four Palestinians said to have been involved in such sales were in fact murdered. In addition, Israeli forces rescued a fifth land dealer as he was being spirited from his home near Jerusalem to Ramallah…”
