[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Why should Israel care about palestinian civilian deaths when Hamas don’t care?
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I don’t agree with that. Civilian casualties should be minimised as far as possible. Not to try to appease the international community or the Arab populace but because it’s the right thing to do. The moral high ground should not be sought for others’ sake but for your own. The only exception would be when it’s impossible to avoid - eg, under “total war” conditions such as those that existed during the Second World War.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I’m surprised that a thread about the latest developments/devolvements in Israel hasn’t popped up already. What do you guys think about what’s going on there?
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A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The frog asks, “How do I know you won’t sting me?” The scorpion says, “Because if I do, I will die too.”
The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream, the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown, but has just enough time to gasp “Why?”
Replies the scorpion: “It is my nature…”
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True story?
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Why should Israel care about palestinian civilian deaths when Hamas don’t care?
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I don’t agree with that. Civilian casualties should be minimised as far as possible. Not to try to appease the international community or the Arab populace but because it’s the right thing to do. The moral high ground should not be sought for others’ sake but for your own. The only exception would be when it’s impossible to avoid - eg, under “total war” conditions such as those that existed during the Second World War.[/quote]
I say if Hamas fires a random rocket into Israel, Israel randomly fires one back. Two can play at that game. Not that I disagree with ya, Sex Machine, I hear what you are saying, but Israel’s not winning any brownie points with the international community for targeted air strikes.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Why should Israel care about palestinian civilian deaths when Hamas don’t care?
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I don’t agree with that. Civilian casualties should be minimised as far as possible. Not to try to appease the international community or the Arab populace but because it’s the right thing to do. The moral high ground should not be sought for others’ sake but for your own. The only exception would be when it’s impossible to avoid - eg, under “total war” conditions such as those that existed during the Second World War.[/quote]
I say if Hamas fires a random rocket into Israel, Israel randomly fires one back. Two can play at that game. Not that I disagree with ya, Sex Machine, I hear what you are saying, but Israel’s not winning any brownie points with the international community for targeted air strikes.
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Actually, it is: Imagine the extent to which the press would shit itself on camera if Israel started bombing any old building it could find. But that isn’t the point either way. If you are nihilistic enough–or, alternatively, if you are such a moral relativist–that you don’t care about right and wrong with regard to civilian casualties, why do you care who wins what in Israel? How can an Israeli victory be “good” if you are so numb to “good” and “bad” that you can advocate for the indiscriminate bombing of civilians?
This is not to mention the fact that you are talking about erasing the one thing that unarguably makes Israel morally superior to its enemies.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
All I have to say is fuck you all If you can not have a discussion that disagrees with your point of view , you have a little penis , OH I mean mind
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We can absolutely do that, but in order to have a discussion with someone who disagrees with your point of view, that person has to actually have something of substance to discuss. You have nothing!
I mean it’s like talking about the moon landing with someone who says: “Nah, I don’t buy it.” Okay why not? “I mean, I don’t get how we would do that, pretty sure it didn’t happen.” Okay but do you actually have anything to support that stance? “Nah just reading between the lines. Doesn’t make sense to me, so I’m gonna go ahead and say it’s wrong.”
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO you have to read between the lines, All the time , in every country
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READ: No matter what you hear to the contrary, just make it fit your already preconceived ideas. [/quote]
No , explain to me what possible benefit Humas would have to blow up Palestine’s electrical grid ? That is an essential question
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Just because you can’t understand something doesn’t make it false. There is no evidence to the contrary. You’re just speculating off of nothing and making shit up. It’s idiotic.[/quote]
I can’t decide if his idiocy makes things more fun here, or is just a pain in the ass.[/quote]
All I have to say is fuck you all If you can not have a discussion that disagrees with your point of view , you have a little penis , OH I mean mind
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For the record, I like you Pitt, I may disagree with you on everything ever, but I still like you as a person…
All I have to say is fuck you all If you can not have a discussion that disagrees with your point of view , you have a little penis , OH I mean mind
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You are certainly entitled to your own point of view.
You cannot have your own facts, however. Facts are facts.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Posted this in the wrong thread. This is about an 11 minute primer on the situation. Watch it and amaze your friends
Okay, this is definately worth watching, if not for the content, the whiteboard artistry is impressive…
It’s a good historical overview. I do not understand why or how the many, many offers for Palestinian statehood has been ignored as if it never happened by so many. They’ve had many generous offers with the bonus of promises by many nations to help fast track the Palestinian economy by infusing it with money business and trade. All rejected.
It’s partially why I support Israel. The Palestinians had many chances at getting what they profess they wanted, only to respond with more violence.
This leads me to believe that their only motivation is the death of Jews and destruction of Israel. They are uninterested in peace and prosperity as they claim. They hate jews and want to kill them.
My Israeli solution is for Israel to do one of 2 things. Either fully annex and take over the occupied territories as their own. Remove, arrest, or kill Hamas and any terrorist organization, and provide a bus ticket to anywhere in the Middle East to anybody who does not want to peaceably live in Israel as a resident alien, with a path toward citizenship. No more occupied territories, it’s just all Israel.
Solution 2 is to drop the territories like a hot potato. Pull out, seal the borders and wish them luck.
Either would be better than the current situation. I prefer number one. Israel won that land fair and square.
I say if Hamas fires a random rocket into Israel, Israel randomly fires one back. Two can play at that game.
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If that was militarily effective I’d agree. But it’s not. So what’s the point? Revenge? That would only lower yourself.[/quote]
And be less effective since you’re effectively missing the exact assholes you want to kill.
Believe me, if the Israelis miss a target, the dead palestinian baby will be on every news channel as the top story at Israel cruelty. [/quote]
The Palestinians and Hamas can create enough recruitment material and propaganda off of made up facts. They don’t need Israel spoon feeding it to them by indiscriminately bombing civilians. Plus that would probably be the quickest way to evoke a reaction from some of their arab neighbors that would be a lot more trouble to deal with than a group of insurgents.
The biggest point I got out of the article is how much Palestine owes Israel to furnish electricity to their confinement
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How much electricity does Egypt supply?
Or do you have a different standard for them?[/quote]
What is your point , you have to supply your prisoner with life and you think you are doing them a favor ???
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They are not prisoners. They can come and go as they please. Does Israel maintain its own border? Yes. Does Egypt maintain its border? Yes.
Is there a blockade against weapons by both Israel and Egypt? Yes.
They were given their own power plants. You (or more accurately, people gainfully employed in the USA) paid for them. They destroyed their own plants by mismanagement and theft.
I say if Hamas fires a random rocket into Israel, Israel randomly fires one back. Two can play at that game.
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If that was militarily effective I’d agree. But it’s not. So what’s the point? Revenge? That would only lower yourself.[/quote]
I hear ya, you too smh. But ironic: The news report I saw said Israel is being condemned for hitting civilians while using a targeted bombing campaign aimed at Hamas and those firing rockets.
So even in trying to avoid civilian casualties, even going to the extent of phoning places a head of time and warning inhabitance to flee the premises, they are still under attack from the international community…and the report didn’t mention Hamas’ relentless rocket attacks at all.
Because the international community -as exemplified by various Socialist, Islamist and Eurabia allied govts - doesn’t want Israel to exist as a Jewish state either.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO you have to read between the lines, All the time , in every country
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READ: No matter what you hear to the contrary, just make it fit your already preconceived ideas. [/quote]
No , explain to me what possible benefit Humas would have to blow up Palestine’s electrical grid ? That is an essential question
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Just because you can’t understand something doesn’t make it false. There is no evidence to the contrary. You’re just speculating off of nothing and making shit up. It’s idiotic.[/quote]
I can’t decide if his idiocy makes things more fun here, or is just a pain in the ass.[/quote]
All I have to say is fuck you all If you can not have a discussion that disagrees with your point of view , you have a little penis , OH I mean mind
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For the record, I like you Pitt, I may disagree with you on everything ever, but I still like you as a person…[/quote]
for the record , I like you too but to tell you the truth I do not come here to be liked or dis:) I come here to kill a little time and try and better my writing skills and derive a little enjoyment .
If you can not have a discussion that disagrees with your point of view , you have a little penis , OH I mean mind