I’m dealing with this supplement company Ergogen through a personal training club. They have a pharmaceuitical license manufacturing so they aren’t some BS company. Anywyay, I had this workshop today about their supplements. The guy who ran the thing was Jim Starr, if you remember American Gladiators he was Laser. He’s really a stand-up guy and real friendly too. He also knows his stuff about supplements. To get to the point though, their supps are a wee bit different than that of Biotest. Since I have fallen into the Biotest Blackhole (once you go Biotest you never go back) and believe that almost every company sucks I automatically think so does Ergogen. Well their supps include these that are listed below. Everyone please reply and tell me if you’ve used them, if you think they’re good and will work, if the ingredients are any good and how they stand up against Biotest.
Androplex Lozenges - 4-androstene-3, 17-diol = 125 mg, 4-androstene-3, 17-dione = 5 mg, 5-androstene-3, 17-diol = 5 mg, 5-androstene-3, 17-dione = 5 mg, 19-nor-4-androstene-3, 17-dione = 5 mg, 19-nor-4-androstene-3, 17-diol = 5 mg.
I told Jim about Biotest's (who he hasn't heard of) Androsol and the dermal delivery thing. He basically thought that it wouldn't work and the science guys that work for him proved in some study that it doesn't work as well as lozenges.
Chrysin - Chrysin Complex = 250 mg - derived from a customized lend of 98% pure 5.7 Dihydroxyflavone and natural powerded extract poplar bud (Populus candicans), Cruciferous vegetable concentrate (standardized to contain 10% Indole 3 carbinol) = 25mg.
So what is this stuff? He said it's an anti-aromatase that's similar to Nolvadex and I'd assume clomiphene citrate. He swore by it and said he would never take androplex without it.
Those are the two products that I have questions about. They also have Energen, Tribulus, DHEA, Muscle Cell Volumizer, and Thermogenic Optimizer. One thing he also said was that liquid delivery system of creatine wasn’t as effective as tablet form that Ergogen uses.
Ergogen is also coming out with Methoxy-Force which is similar to Biotests. However, theirs contains tribulus, avena sativa and some other stuff but none of the good cholesterol.
So those of you on the inside scoop to supplements give your $.02 here. Howerver, I feel that most of us have been sucked into the Biotest Blackhole and have become subjective to almost every supplement that isn’t theirs. Let’s get some feedback fellows.
