[quote]Jumanji wrote:
Not at all disenchanted with the S&C world, it is exactly what it claims to be: get strong, get in shape.
I like that it accurately sets expectations… but rarely does it address the gap between S&C and on field performance… that GAP for 99% of the athletes is vast.
Also, not on a high horse, just sick of those who are strong belittling guys who are ‘weak’.
I don’t sit here and call powerlifters fat (which most are), or uncoordinated (which from an overall athletics perspective most are), or really quite amusing when they jump (enough said), instead I view their posts as coming from the perspective of someone with amazing strengths in one arena, but also having stunning limitations in another area.
When I want advice on getting strong I go to the experts: Tate, Simmons, Wendler, etc.
But, if Big Dave was here asking about different ways to analyze movement patterns, I wouldn’t call him a lumbering jar necked oaf because he doesn’t move like Harrison Houston… not even close. He wants to get better, or become a better teacher.
But mocking is what is being done here on this thread.
And for those doing the mocking: from a performance coach’s perspective, many powerlifters have the dynamic mobility and agility of someone who needs to be removed from practice for fear of instantaneous injury. But if you were to inquire about an agility progression and how progress could be measured accurately, I wouldn’t ignore the question and call you a mongloid Ogre that is barely bipedal… would I? Nope, I hardly find it necessary.
That is the equivalent of calling someone who is ‘weak’ a pencil necked geek…
So you miss the point completely, and that probably is because I wasn’t succinct enough and through in many shortcoming I have noticed over time. I will try to keep it succinct:
When in doubt, educate. That is what T-Mag is all about, IMO. I can make fun of strength guys, and they can make fun of me… all we have to do is relate to each other in the arena we dominate… mine being speed and explosiveness in the team sport arena, theirs being strength.
I am a pencil necked geek who is good, no, very good at many sports… probably too multi-laterally developed for my own good. If you’d like to test your sport prowess, please meet me at any soccer field, or basketball court (or even football since it is the most strength dominant of all popular sports) and we can see who looks foolish. I remind you that at 34, totally out of shape for my own standards, I still run a sub 4.3 on the Pro agiltiy and can hang from the rim with ease…plus I have the experience of a cagy veteran who has coached three sports in college. So hit me, block my shot, whatever…if you can…
Then afterwards, we can go lift weights… (now a sport in itself), and you can crush me… I have no doubt that I am very weak by all strength athletes’ standards…
But not with a lack of power on the ballistics and of the force curve… just on the strenght side… and thank goodness for it.
To the guys who were posting here on topic: namely relative BW strength… If you are not Benching 1.5-2 times your weight, and squatting twice your weight, you don’t need to be discussing overtraining, or fancy nutrition, or anything else…
You are weak… for a girl.
No reason to analyze anything because getting to those markers is quite easy… if you aren’t there, then something is drastically wrong with what you are doing…
Period. No discussion necessary, just shut it.
Any program hitting the basics hard will bring up your deficits as long as you are eating hard, sleeping hard and lifting hard.
You don’t need Poliquin or any fancy supplements, you need to quite being a dorks… (even though both help, they aren’t necessary in the early stages)
If you are taking those steps, then I commend you, and will help in any way I can.
If not, then you need to go to Self magazine online, or Better Homes and Gardens, or HGTV, or whatever, and pursue those pursuits…
From that perspective, I do agree with the Strength guys here… totally.
One final question: what is more amusing to watch, a pencil necked geek who at 170 pounds only benches 215, or a powerlifter trying to play soccer?
Both IMO, but I would help either get better.
Hope this clears the air…
J
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I don’t quite understand what prompted your tirade?
Whereas I don’t necessarily disagree with some of the generalizations you make, I don’t understand their purpose either. I think that the S&C profession is spot on, it is the “personal training” profession that is off. Unfortunately the common mark is the personal trainer, not a strength and conditioning coach.
The other item that makes me curious is you seem to disregard strength athletics as a form of athletic sport at all. Why is this?
I’m just rather curious to the motivations of your posts moreso than anything else. Given that I was a decent soccer player, rugby player and track athlete, that now is old and broken so I just do some strength athletics for fun, I may have had a similar initial experience as you but I chose to keep training for strength goals once my careers in the other sports came to an end. So that is likely why I don’t quite see the motivation for your rant.
Regards,
Sensless
PS I’d be happy to meet you on a soccer pitch, bball court, or any other location to enjoy a non-lifting/strength sport. They are fun to me. I can’t play 'em for crap anymore because of numerous injuries that makes my agility lacking, but I won’t mind if you blame it on my focus on strength athletics.