Which would be considered to be better for Strength? I plan on running a strength cycle which I would also like to add a reasonable anount of mass in the near future and I am a bit curious about which of these would be a better addition to my cycle (Test+Dbol so far).
From what I can tell EQ would give me better gains on cycle but the Primo would allow me to keep a lot more of my gains when I come off. What does the collective knowledge of T-Nation think?
I have not juiced for quite sometime, but in my experience neither Eq or Primo gave me any significant strength gains. The Primo helped me keep the mass I had put on really well. I would do Deca with that Dbol though, those two together are far more than the sum of their parts.
tren?
Just as a little help the dosages I would be taking these are: Primo-420mg EW EQ- 560mg EW.
Tren is very difficult to attain in Australia which puts it out the window very quickly (costs are insane as well).
I am a bit of a pussy when it comes to Decca. A person I met a year or so ago put me off it very much as he blamed his loss of natural testosterone on Decca.
I think I am going to go with EQ. Really just because I can get more of it for less money + its dosed at 200mg/ml instead of 100mg/ml.
I’m of the understanding that EQ is second rate compared to test, so I would just up the test and possibly the dbol, according to your personal tolerance. But thats just me. I do hear EQ increases appetite, plus if cost is an issue then incorporating the EQ may be a viable option under these circumstances. Primo is mild and expensive, and gives more of a hardening effect than strength, so IMO its really down to dosing the test EQ and dbol after you’ve bought what you can afford.
A successful PCT is a successful PCT regardless of steroids used, id you restart your HPTA properly and maintain the calories you’ll keep the max amount of gains IMO.
Do you have a SERM on hand for PCT?
I am planning on using a variation on the standard Nolva 40/40/20/20 PCT, because of the longer esters I plan on taking one week off everything then going 20/40/40/20/20.
Just so you know what I plan on doing now it would be test e 700mg EW w1-10, EQ 560mg EW w1-10, Dbol 30mg ED w 1-3, Dbol 20mg Pre-workout w4-12.
Start your pct 2 weeks after the last test-e injection.
A standard PCT is 40/40/20/20 I am doing 20/40/40/20/20, it would be the same as a standard PCT just I am overlapping it with 20mg a week after taking a week off.
I dont think I need help on PCT, but thanks.
Just saying that with test-e you should begin the pct after two weeks of last injection because you have pretty much of it still in you after only a week.
[quote]razii wrote:
Just saying that test-e will stay in your system for around two weeks so you dont want to try to start recovering before that… This is basic stuff. [/quote]
Its better to introduce a SERM too soon rather than too late. Its not like the body is going to freak out if you try to stimulate some LH production via SERM while T is still at a suppressive level.
But I would recommend starting with the higher SERM dose and tapering down. Pretty much the same idea as a frontload. I do 60mg/d of nolva for 3-5 days then go right into 20mg/d for the remainder.
I was just saying what is recommended 