I would like to receive any competent recommendations for my upcoming bulking cycle and the post PCT.
Well, to get the idea, few words about me. I am 34 years old guy, not a beginner really. I used to go to the gym for periods, starting about when I was 19 years old. Back then I got from 60 kg to 90kg weight in a year and a half, used methandrostenolone, deca, sustanon 250, but I don’t remember dosages. The thing is I did not get much of side effects then.
About 10 years later when I got back to the gym and started quite a mild cycle of testosterone enanthate 500mg/week + turinabol 40mg/daily after about 2,5 weeks I noticed some gyno side effects which were hard to fight. I remember me to be barely able to control gyno with about 2mg Arimidex and 50mg Tamoxifen per day. So I had to quit the testosterone after 5 weeks although I was willing to make it 12.
Now once again after a while I am back to gym and considering some AAS to kickstart the whole thing. Also my doctor says I have lately slightly screwed my livers so I am looking for less aromatizing and less liver toxic mild cycle while still being able to bulk up some mass.
What do you think of Equipose as an option? Also as I understand, as EQ is going to shut down my natural testosterone release, I should consider stacking it with at least TRT dosage of some kind of testosterone. So what is the minimum dosage of test here to make any sense when stacked with EQ for, say 13 weeks? Right now I have on my hands test E 2000mg, so I am thinking whether taking, lets say 13 weeks of EQ 400mg weekly and 150mg of test E weekly will make any sense here…
Any suggestions and PCT recommendations will be appreciated
Test 200/EQ 400 for 12 weeks is pretty mild. Bulking will largely be determined by your diet, so if you eat and lift accordingly then that cycle will do wonders, despite being mild.
PCT should be a simple SERM like Nolva 40/40/20/20 or longer at 40/40/20/20/10/10 perhaps. Option one is more standard, option two is starting to gain popularity. Both will work.
Thanks, iron_yuppie for the opinion! Basically I don’t normally have any issues with my diet, especially while on a cycle will definitely do my best. Well, I have made slight chances in dosages and length for that upcoming cycle - basically just to be able to use that 2000mg of testosterone enanthate and AIs and SERMs what I have already so that nothing will be left. Can you please look at my cycle and tell whether anything should be changed around. The only thing what I am not very sure is basically would 150mg of testosterone enanthate weekly do the job here. Well, with test I am willing to just stay on TRT levels also because I it still want very mild in terms of aromatasing.
Man, I have hade my offs and ons from gym. Ten years ago was when I had my first cycle (not that 10 years from now was the last time I hit the gym). Right now I have about couple of months working pretty hard and have gained about 8 kg. The muscle memory and discipline still works quite good but I know where I used to be and want to get there quicker.
There are a few things you need to consider here. Unfortunately none of them are going to be concrete. I’ll explain.
So EQ allegedly aromatises at 20% the rate of testosterone. I say allegedly because we don’t have much actual data on this; it’s kind of just a guess based on studies from long ago and there are basically no human trial results from the last 30 years. Here’s the wrinkle: lots and lots of blood work results show that EQ has the opposite effect. Guys get crashed e2 from using too much EQ when there is t enough testosterone in the cycle. The theory is that a downstream metabolite of EQ acts as an AI. My own guess is that it becomes a version of the otc drug arimistane, but I don’t have the science to back this up (and likely never will because I do money stuff for a living and not medical research). So your cycle is fine and perhaps even prudent, unless of course the EQ and exemestane absolutely crush your e2 to oblivion. How will you know if you’re going to respond to the EQ in this way? You don’t! That’s the fun part! So you may very well need either A.) a lot more testosterone, or B.) no exemestane. But what if you skip the exemestane and then get gyno? Well shit, that’s what you’re trying to avoid. So I think you need to be taking the Nolva in low doses (10mg) perhaps twice a week as a prophylactic treatment for the gyno and keep the AI out of the cycle unless you start to notice that it’s needed.
This is really tricky because I want to give you good advice, but I also don’t want to be the one who ends up giving you gyno. That would be unpleasant for both of us. I’m on here to help people and if someone ends up getting hurt because of something I said I would feel quite lousy about it. Your case is a tough one. I’m tempted to tell you to scrap the whole thing and take an entirely different approach.
Out of all the steroids out there EQ has the widest range of results. Guys swear by it at doses in the 400-600 range and others take over a gram and get almost nothing. You never hear that about nandrolone, testosterone, tren, or even mast. EQ is the Rorschach test of steroids. The Roidschach test, if you will.
Much appreciated, thank you for an advice! I guess this is very individually based, so I have to check how my body works… And also the length of cycle…
Well, another thing I guess I am going to have my bloodwork done and estrogen levels tested once in a while and I guess I will also donate the blood in order for it not to get too thick.
For how long did you ran that cycle? I have heard that EQ really kicks in starting week 6 to 8 so any shorter cycle would not make much sense as far as I understand.
I ran it 14 weeks for the reasons you mentioned. So that was my last for the year… I only blast or cycle once to twice per year in pretty avg doses. Early next year I’m trying short esters with Test/Mast/NPP. I grow like a weed on Nandolone but it gives me ED issues. Hoping NPP is more for giving and I like the idea of being on AAS for shorter periods. I’m a middle aged dad… I know I’m risk taking but trying not To run any heavy cycles.
@dextermorgan thanks man. I got colitis 3 weeks ago and dropped a bunch of weight due to it. I was feeling pretty down about it but hopped out of the shower this morn thought “damn I look pretty decent” so alas a new avatar for now.
Nah… I would never run EQ again. @iron_yuppie nailed it. I’ve heard guys rave about it and others not so much. For me I still got increased anxiety and the scale didn’t move hardly at all.
Well guys, and what do you think about the need of frontloading EQ? So if there is a scenario of taking different dosages, should one start with the bigger dosage or end with the bigger one? So as for frontloading and also for the long halflife of it at the end of a day I guess it should be taken in lower dosage towards the end of cycle, right? Speaking of PCT, shouldn’t I take two weeks off after the last injection instead of one?
I did run EQ and indeed did frontload. I frontloaded 1400mg in the first week and then continued at 600mg a week.
Results wise, I ran it with Primo so I’m not sure if I can attribute my 10lb weight gain to just the EQ, I did experience some endurance gain and appetite increase. No anxiety, and im heavily anxiety prone.
All I will say is that Primo and EQ cycle was the only cycle I kept all my weight gain from. It sort set my body a new “level” of mass and it does not decrease from that weight.
I guess I will be opting for just single testosterone at TRT dosage shots one or two weeks after the last EQ injection at the end of the cycle. And then one week skipped after the last testosterone shot comes the PCT.
Also while on PCT I am thinking of 4 weeks peptides cycle in order to not loose the gains. Most probably it might be smth like MK677 or CJC1295 with DAC in combination with GHRP-6. Right now I am trying this combo out, not a mass builder really but still seems fair enough (at least I have not lost any weight during my last week off the gym due to the cold I have got). I think PCT and peptides they do not contradict each other, right?
