Epitiostanol (Havoc) Cycle

Pharma
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Planning on doing a 5 week cycle of Havoc for two purposes 1. Some extra gains but mainly 2. to test its anti-gyno properties. Here is the what I was thinking it would look like.

Week 1 - Life Support/Liv 52
Week 2 - 10, 10, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20/Life Support/Liv 52
Week 3 - dose every day at 30/Life Support/Liv 52
Week 4 - dose every day at 40/Life Support/Liv 52
Week 5 - dose every day at 40/Life Support/Liv 52
Week 6 - 30, 30, 20, 20, 10, 10, 10/Life Support/Liv 52
Week 7-10 Life Support/Liv 52/Formadrol/(after 2 weeks) M-stak

So in a nut shell a 1 week pre-load of liver support(more like 4 days really, I have seen different things in regards to how necessary it is. Especially when all my blood work is completely normal to begin with.) Followed by a 5 week cycle of Havoc at listed dosages, I figured if it is worth slowly cycling on then it should be just as worth slowly cycling off. No sense running it up high and then off of a cliff, I feel it would be of added benefit to slowly tamper off.

Current stats:
Weight: 190lbs
BF%: 10-12%

Will add more soon, as well as daily to weekly updates on progress. The routine I was thinking of using was the Volume increasing part of the Tri-phase training program.

The goal of Phase 1 is to increase the volume (number of sets) each
week. In addition to adding sets each week you should always strive to lift a
greater load each workout.
â?¢ Week 1 = 2 sets per exercise
â?¢ Week 2 = 3 sets per exercise
â?¢ Week 3 = 4 sets per exercise
â?¢ Week 4 = 5 sets per exercise
Rest time = 90 seconds between sets.
Workout 1 Chest+Shoulders
Workout 2 Back+Traps
Workout 3 Legs
Workout 4 Arms

Chest+Shoulder
Bench Press 2-5 X 6-10
Incline DB Press 2-5 X 6-10
Dips 2-5 X 6-10
Military or DB Press 2-5 X 6-10
DB Side Lateral 2-5 X 6-10

Back+Traps
Rack Deadlift 2-5 X 6-10
Pull-Up 2-5 X 6-10
Bent Over Row 2-5 X 6-10
BB Shrug 2-5 X 6-10
DB Shrug 2-5 X 6-10

Legs
Squats 2-5 X 6-10
Stiff Leg Deadlift 2-5 X 6-10
Leg Extension 2-5 X 6-10
Leg Curl 2-5 X 6-10
Lunges 2-5 X 6-10
Calf press 3-6 30(10 in, 10 neutral, 10 out)

Arms+Calves
BB Curl 2-5 X 6-10
Close Grip Bench 2-5 X 6-10
Skull Crusher 2-5 X 6-10
DB Curl 2-5 X 6-10
Standing Calf Raise 2-5 X 6-10
Seated Calf Raise 2-5 X 6-10

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I disagree with the taper off but that’s just me. I had some fun with pro hormones before and epi was the most pleasant, although not necessarily produced the best gains. I wouldnt use it as your “main goal” of testing its anti-gyno properties but it will have a slight effect in that respect. Ironic thats your main concern given your PCT.

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Ha yes, I realize that it must look funny with that being my main concern and not having any Nolvadex in my PCT. My endocrinologist won’t give me a prescription for it though and I need this to stay legal. I don’t for see there being any chances of the gyno getting any worse as I have had gyno since 6th grade, so long before I started lifting. To this point I have never used anything hormonal in nature, it is by no means a new development nor has it gotten any worse in years. Just more prominent as I lost a lot of fat and gained a lot of lean mass.

I saw results from a study done in Japan at a breast cancer research center and they were able to almost eliminate all gyno in subjects by using a 20mg a day 8 week cycle of unmethylated Epi with no PCT. I’m just not crazy about the idea of running a methylated compound for 8 weeks. That and I’m kinda at the edge of being old enough to cycle this anyway. This will be my one cycle with a hormonal product for a good few years. I just can’t justify the price of surgery right now, and at the same time it has killed me in competitions…looks horrible and makes me look bloated in the chest…not to mention how many people love the nick name “bitch tits” -_-. This also is known to have less sides than the prescription anti-gyno medications and have better results.

What are your thoughts on pre-load of cycle support supps(liv52/life support/etc)?

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You can get nolvadex legally from research chemical companies. A simple google search will yield great results. Better yet, you can get letrozole as well, which is far more potent, almost to a fault. Be warned, letrozole is powerful and can squander estrogen levels. It’s definitely something to look into for treating gyno though.

I like the use of liver support. Epi isn’t too toxic so I’m not sure how imperative it is to “pre-load” but it can’t hurt. I would just skip the preload and use it during cycle and through pct (mostly because I’m too impatient).

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I think I’ll just shorten it to 4 days, which would mean starting my cycle tomorrow. Then stay on it throughout the entire time. I am honestly more concerned with the methylated compounds than I am with Epi lol. My only concern with Epi was effect on the endocrine system seeing that it is still developing…However from what I have seen I do not think a single cycle will lead to any damage. Especially since this isn’t “gear”. It’s not like I am running this plus an additional 600mg of test a week or anything like that.

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I believe Havoc is methylated and a designer steroid. Even though it is not as potent as test or some other AAS, it is still a hormonal product and should not be underestimated.

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Havoc is methylated and a DS, it was methylated to make it “legal” as substance ban in this case goes by chemical name

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How old are you?

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Also I didn’t mention it but I also have DAA, and DHEA for the PCT. During the cycle I would be taking all the Epi with a triple omega oil softgel and fishoil. Animal Pak before training, and the usually joint support and mega men vitamin(or rather BJs exact copy of it for less than half the price).

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Have my replies never go through…-_- here it is for like the fifth time.

Actually I stand corrected(by various internet sources) Epi is not a DS but rather a designed substance originating in the 60s as a breast cancer drug due to its ability to limit and reduce breast tissue.

I am 19. I have been training since the summer before freshman year of high school. Currently I sit at around 190 and 8-10% bodyfat started at around 160 and near 20%(weight problems in 6th-8th grade, which also led to the development of my gyno). From what I have seen people tend to draw a magic line at 21, however I have more lifting experience than most 21 year olds and have been pushing my body as hard as I can since I started. 225 flat bench, 255 squat, and 365 deadlift(dead max was calculated, I never felt secure going over 315) as a freshman in high school. Sadly my deads have stayed rather stagnate due to a nerve issue in my lumbar spine…(no not related to my deadlift form XD, just related to disk compression)

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Actually I have been thinking and I think my plan is to slowly work up to 20mg a day, and never go above this. This will put less stress on the endocrine system than a full 40mg dose and this is the same dosage used in the studies. Also, it took a 5 week wait…fucking privatized health care, but I am seeing my endocrinologist this next Wednesday.

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Why don’t you just ask your endocrinologist about the gyno instead of taking a hormonal product on your own? You are too young to be messing with AAS- doesn’t matter how long you’ve been lifting for.

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Seeing the gyno specifically for the Epi…My general doctor won’t help me out with the gyno because it’s “nature and cosmetic in nature” complete ignoring the larger psychological part of the equation. I talked on the phone with the endo and he sounds like he will be even less helpful -_-. The only other place I have to turn is surgery…but at over 5k it’s a little out of my reach thanks to insurance not covering it.

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Not to argue though…you really are right…this was just more like a last ditch attempt that I saw some hope in. The more I think about it the more the shit scares me. Following all the guide lines (namely the ones in the Epi bible put together by tunedsports) I tried 10mg today before my leg day. I am looking for growth as much as the next guy, but I don’t have any business with anything that adds 100lbs instantaneously to lifts.

I seriously doubt 10mg once will have any lasting effect as that is a relatively small and a short fluctuation; returning to homeostasis should be rather easy for the system. Either way I’ll just hop on the m-stak, DAA, and DHEA.

I have to say though, kinda glad I tried it once. It’s very potent, and not really a practical solution to my problem. With that established it’s easy to take off your mind as an option.