Entitled to Beautiful Women?

[quote]Wector wrote:
Cueball,

What the hell are you posting?

Do you think you read and understand my statements correctly?

I dont think I am wrong. Because lots of people in this forum, usually successfull people, throw a shit to “ordinary” people that, “Sorry , I have great genetics, I rock, you suck”.

So what if they they have better genes? At the end of the day, still they going to be fuckin dead.

And I think genetic engineering will change nearly everything we know about human. I still persist on my view of future women. Nearly all of them would be engineered and they would be much more attractive than todays. [/quote]

Loled so hard at “I don’t think I am wrong”

[quote]Wector wrote:
Do you think you read and understand my statements correctly?
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For starters, if you want someone to understand you, don’t put them at a disadvantage by using shit grammar.

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Apologies if my language is offensive. It’s actually toned down in here vs me with the few ppl I am comfortable with. Anyways.

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It’s fine with me. You can say screw, f***, shag, nail, bang, all you want. :slight_smile:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Apologies if my language is offensive. It’s actually toned down in here vs me with the few ppl I am comfortable with. Anyways.

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It’s fine with me. You can say screw, f***, shag, nail, bang, all you want. :)[/quote]
I find “rail” to be the most crude for some reason.

So what if those genetically engineered fembots unify and create a monopoly on the awesome vajayjay, leaving humanity more stuck than ever with either substandard natural women or extraordinarily costly genetically elite women? It would essentially widen the gap between the haves and the have nots, exacerbating what some people already see as a problem.

[quote]Wector wrote:
Also I believe, with genetic engineering, everyone in the future will be handsome and beatifull.
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There’s a great line from The Incredibles, when the villain is talking about giving the world superpowers, “Everyone can be super! And when everyone’s super, no-one will be.”

Also, if you think genetic engineering will close the gap between the rich and the poor, the haves and the have nots, I would recommend reading Brave New World.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
So what if those genetically engineered fembots unify and create a monopoly on the awesome vajayjay, leaving humanity more stuck than ever with either substandard natural women or extraordinarily costly genetically elite women? It would essentially widen the gap between the haves and the have nots, exacerbating what some people already see as a problem.

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You lost me at fembots.

Gotta watch out for those fembots.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
leaving humanity more stuck than ever with either substandard natural women or extraordinarily costly genetically elite women?
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It’s already somewhat like that. Landing a ltr with a 9-10 without being very well off financially is almost impossible as is.

Ok I am sorry for my grammer. English is not my native language.

But I disagree about ineuqality.

For example Genetic Sequencing was very expensive at the beginning, now its much more cheap.

Yes, rich people may have advantages at the beginning, but overall, they dont have much.

Why do rich people are rich? Let me explain.

They are or their ancestors were clever , intelligent and they have contributed to society more than regular person, so they became rich. Capitalism , is based on Ego-Driven system. Which promotes succsessfull people and making them rich. If everyone would equal, than intelligent and talented people will have no value.

But this system is mainly based on human ego and competetiveness. Human competetion developed technology that much. Thats the greatest benefit of Capitalism in my opinion.

What if we delete Human from this equation ? What if, Artifical Intelligence would do our job ? There will be no need for human competetion.

Yes, we have social status in society. Some people have better homes, cars etc. And they are kind of status symbol. But not everything is distributed in that way.

Let me give an example. Besides Vertu, ( Which has no hardware capabilities but full of diamond ), best Phones in the market now are Samsung Galaxy S4 and Iphone 5S. Even if you are Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, the best Smartphone you can buy is Iphone 5s.

Iphone is affordable by lots of middle class families in developing countries. In my country for example, minimum wage is about $6.000 Annualy, and lots of Minimum Wage workers have Iphone .

Same goes for internet. You can buy $2.000 Computer and run EVERY game PERFECTLY, and you can also browse the web.

You can accsess to lots of information via internet. Even a Poor guy can obtain Pc and get into the internet, and reach MIT’s Lecture Materials.

So that is KNOWLEDGE EQUALİTY in my opinion. Today, even a poor people with computer, has much more research ability than 15 years ago US PRESIDENT.

Today, things are equal. Even the richest of rich can also use Wikipedia, Youtube etc. Poor people can also. Technology has decentrelizing effect.

So why to think pessimistic and say "Rich will always have advantage ". No they dont have in every aspect.

Yes, I agree, if everyone became rich, then the term “Rich” will be meaningless, because it will became average.

Rich Means Above Average income. But my point is, once you reach the ceiling, than it does not matter in my opinion.

What I mean by ceiling is, maximum amount of pleasure . For example, a guy with $500 Million had already reached this.

There is no class difference and life quality difference between $500 Million Net Worth individual and $50 Billion Net Worh Individual.

Same example as Smartphone. Even if you are Billionaire, you are stuck with Iphone 5 or Samsung Galaxy 4S.

Why there is not any status symbol in Smartphones ? Because they are cheap to produce.

If same thing could applied for Ferrari or Lamborgihni or Rolls-Royce, they would be also cheap .

But they are not. Due to their manufacturing costs, materials they use and Engineering.

But in the future, we will produce by addictive manufacturing. Addictive Manufacturing already exists in nature. Cells, Ribosomes are great example for this. Thats why “You dont” have to produce a tree, or a flower, or a baby. A ribosome can convert foods into a human being , a ribosome is actually a natural nano assembler.

Now imagine that we apply this nano replicator to non-organic compounds. You could easily grow a "Ferrari ". You wouldnt need crude manufactring lines, labours etc. Todays technology allows us only to produce Ferrari in substractive methods. ( Which is traditional method for %99.9 products right now we see in the market ). Thats why its too costly.

Why we perceive as Mansion or Ferrari as status symbol ? Its basic instinct. A person who possess rare materials are advanced, and their survival rate is higher than average person Because they have more sources. ( Of course, A Mansion and a Ferrari does not mean shit in the nature, but I am talking about Sources ).

But this view of thinking is related to scarcity, and called Scarcity Mentality.

Why we are thinking in this way? “If person X has A, I cant have A”. Why its not “Win-Win” game ?

Same mentality occurs at Alien debates or even Artifical Intelligence.

Lots of people think that, “Omg, Aliens will come and conquer us”. Why should they need to conquer us?

As I know , we already observed thousand light years away planets, and we could not find any civilization.

So it means, an Alien civilization would be AT LEAST Thousand Years Light Away.

Consider this, if Ailen civilization could have the technique to build a space ship that can last 1.000 years, and they can travel the speed of life, would they need our sources ? I think that kind of civilization would be so advanced in nanotechnology that they could create anything. They would not have energy scarcity due to colonization of Massive stars. So why should they conquer us and kill us ? Same mentality goes for Artificial Intelligence.

I am not blaming people for thinking like that. Its our nature. Our brain has evolved in a scarcity environment, thats why Charles Darwin called Nature as Battlefield. Our mentality of “Have” or “Have Not” is instinclty based on that.

So thats why we tend to think we “should” have some superior people, or inferior people. Our crude brain tells us that, “You have to possess as much as sources in order to survive”.

But if we achieve a post scarcity society, why would we need class difference? Why would we need Economics ? Why would we need Battles?

All Battles are related to scarcity. Nearly all of our suffering is related to scarcity. Our culture is shaped by scarcity.

Religions has been born due to Scarcity. They offer weak people “Yes, you are poor, but if you pray your god and do your best, you will be rewarded at afterlife.”

In a post scarcity and immortal society, Religions would be vanish.

Maybe I am too optimistic, but looking at Industrial Revolution, a great accomplisment by human kind, I have hope!

I also think, with the advancement of nanotechnology, we should edit our brains and kill the sections that are responsible for Jealousy, Anger etc.

These things were quite beneficial in the past, in the wild nature, but in the future environment, we would not need it.

[quote]Wector wrote:
Ok I am sorry…

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Wector.

I think you are wasting your time with manifestos. It is time to go all in and start a cult. Don’t live the rest of your life in regret, thinking about what might have been.

Underage wives, fortified compounds, vast stockpiles of weaponry and food stores, and, perhaps most importantly, GREATNESS awaits you if you are willing to seize it.

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]Wector wrote:
Ok I am sorry…

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Wector.

I think you are wasting your time with manifestos. It is time to go all in and start a cult. Don’t live the rest of your life in regret, thinking about what might have been.

Underage wives, fortified compounds, vast stockpiles of weaponry and food stores, and, perhaps most importantly, GREATNESS awaits you if you are willing to seize it.[/quote]

You know, I never thought about it as a career, but something about the way you describe it…

Though underage would not work for me, age of consent is 14 here, lets not go overboard…

[quote]Wector wrote:
Cueball,

What the hell are you posting?

Do you think you read and understand my statements correctly?

I dont think I am wrong. Because lots of people in this forum, usually successfull people, throw a shit to “ordinary” people that, “Sorry , I have great genetics, I rock, you suck”.

So what if they they have better genes? At the end of the day, still they going to be fuckin dead.

And I think genetic engineering will change nearly everything we know about human. I still persist on my view of future women. Nearly all of them would be engineered and they would be much more attractive than todays. [/quote]
English is not your first language is it?

And no I do not want to transfer money from your bank account due to fact you are a prince from Nigeria

[quote]Wector wrote:
Why do rich people are rich? Let me explain.
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[quote]Wector wrote:
Ok I am sorry for my grammer. English is not my native language.
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Yeah I already knew that. I commend you for learning as much as you have so far, but don’t be surprised when people misinterpret what you are attempting to communicate. I encourage you to continue to improve.

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
leaving humanity more stuck than ever with either substandard natural women or extraordinarily costly genetically elite women?
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It’s already somewhat like that. Landing a ltr with a 9-10 without being very well off financially is almost impossible as is. [/quote]

Imagine it like a thousand times worse. Like Mad Max except instead of fucked up vehicles with crazy warlords riding them its women. Big crazy ones with smoke belching tail pipes and spinny blade like apparatuses sticking out of their shoes.

Or, for the price of a small country you could have a genetically modified cyborg with nano assemblers to fix it every time you tear that shit up.

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Apologies if my language is offensive. It’s actually toned down in here vs me with the few ppl I am comfortable with. Anyways.

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It’s fine with me. You can say screw, f***, shag, nail, bang, all you want. :)[/quote]

Lol

Never been my thing. One woman at a time normally the goal is for a long time.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

The over-emphasis on physical beauty (and to some degree money) seems foolish and … immature? I’m not sure what word to use here.
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Over emphasis? Sure.

However, I’m not going to fault a newly divorced woman or man whom has an established career making $6X and accustomed to a certain life style for refusing to turn around and start dating someone who is 30+ and works at Wendy’s with no expectation or ambition for improvement over that.

Finances are an important factor in a long term relationship, and if someone doesn’t want to “support” the other I don’t see that as an unreasonable reason to avoid dating them. [/quote]

I guess I was focusing in more on physical appearance. Why would someone with an established career ever even consider someone working at Wendy’s if not for their looks? It would seem there is little compatible there.

If you are talking about guys who “get down” or “get low” and date woman they should never have considered dating if it weren’t for the recent divorce (and subsequent emotional issues). I’m right with you. I guess maybe I’m thinking of a friend of mine who is a doctor. He just went through a divorce and was telling me about the woman he was going after… It took me 2 minutes of questions over a beer to realize she was horrible for him and by minute 3 he admitted that he knew she was using him… Divorce can really fuck with a person’s head.

Money is important… but I think it’s the things that surround money that are more important (her personality, drive, motivation, discipline, etc). I’ve known some wealthy women whom I would NEVER consider dating because they were so childish (family money…not earned).

I’m not sure if this post is any clearer.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
WHAT?![/quote]

Ah, the good old transhumanism post-singularity line of thought. Stross, Stephenson, Vinge, Banks.

However, it is true that the average Russian girl is more attractive than the average American girl. There are several countries like that, where women don’t actually feel like “being sexy” is catering to some feminist view of a patriarchal society. Slowly I’m seeing more of that in the US too… where women don’t feel shame for wanting to be sexually attractive and be treated well by a guy.

I dated a girl once who struggled a lot with getting “I want to be treated equal” and “I really like when a guy opens the door for me”… thinking that somehow allowing a guy to buy her dinner, dressing up, wearing makeup, was somehow making her “less equal”. Some girls even have this weird feeling of shame, that they’re letting women down (as a whole) by acting that way. Doesn’t sound too empowering to me.

However… the majority of that post, lol.[/quote]

It’s funny, the different things that we believe must be in order for things to be, “equal.”

What does she think equal means, vs. What does he think equal means.

I brought up stability a while ago. A lot of guys are willing to put up with an unstable woman. It just doesn’t make sense for a good woman to put up with an unstable possibly unsafe man/ man she doesn’t feel safe around.

You bring up equality in terms of things like paying for things, getting ones own doors etc. It’s a sort of keeping score sort of thing that I see some people on these forums do and think is healthy.

The thing I tend to recognize in equality is the level of effort and attention people put into one another… It’s basic reciprocation, there is give and take but if you keep score it tends to feel forced/contrived/fake rather than something very natural.

If a guy wants to get the door he may be trying to score points (contrived), but then there’s the guy who gets the door because that’s the sort he is and expects nothing in return. It’s so rare that women notice the difference or even care that there is one.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that with all the standards, traditions and conventions about dating, dating and even approaching women can feel mechanical and contrived because people get wrapped up in standards and conventions which may not feel natural to them. They are so worried about their approach or something clever to say next to get her laughing, to get close and touch her, to escalate sexual tension, that he never acts like himself. And women, look for the same fucking cues because they like to feel desired, chased and sexy. What’s sad is you will probably be friend zoned if you get along with a woman and choose to not escalate even if you know you can, as a convention women especially western types have made it pretty difficult to escalate once a friendship is established. It’s like if you go from love interest to friend, your status is kinda rock bottom. Well unless you can actually talk with a lady about the topic of friendzoning and sexual escalation. I guess that’s what comes naturally with competition? It really highlights that we really are just a bunch of smart apes. We aren’t as smart as we think we are. We talk about having lovers and friends, what’s funny is that the order is kinda backwards. We don’t REALLY get to know one another before we sleep with one another, and by that time it’s too late to decide whether that person is friend worthy or not. And then women complain about players, the guys who understand all of this and take advantage. What’s interesting is the players get better and better at being fake, while the genuine beta’s, who are usually good guys get passed bye. The whole thing seems pathetic when you try to look at it from an outsider perspective. I try to just look at action and ignore what’s said. Go out and people watch, tell me I’m wrong.

When I look around at people a lot of folks can be sort of categorized as well. It’s sort of funny for me at least to imagine how silly some of us American’s seem to foreigners. It’s like we all claim individuality yet so many of us are the, “typical” or neatly fit into some stereotype others gave whatever type we fit into. And I wish it were just me and the way I see the world. But people are some fucking lemmings. It’s not that people are afraid to be different, it’s that people aren’t really allowed to just be themselves.

You get what you earn. You are not “entitled” to anything.

[quote]Manbearpig wrote:
You get what you earn. You are not “entitled” to anything.[/quote]
So a woman is something you earn?