Elite Athletes vs Nutrition

A topic that has been on my mind.

I’d like everyones opinion (even some Prime Time big shots) on Elite Athletes and Nutrition. Specifically…

How much of an Elite Athlete is made up of Nutrition?

As a college student in the Sports Med as well as a fellow athlete, I notice that a lot of top-end athletes (college / pro) have extremely poor nutrition. This even holds true in some of the top stars.

This is beyond just sub-par, some of the top athletes I’ve seen have Wendy’s for atleast two of their meals each day.

Which makes me wonder…

If nutrition can refine / fine tune an elite athlete (ie Lance Armstrong)

Can nutrition make an elite athlete?

Is there a point where perfect nutrition doesn’t matter?

[quote]TriGWU wrote:

This is beyond just sub-par, some of the top athletes I’ve seen have Wendy’s for atleast two of their meals each day.[/quote]

I know this is crazy i just saw some thing on T.V. and Chad Johnson a pro bowl wide reciever for the bengals said he eats Mcdonalds 3 times a day everyday!!!

I guess these guys are just genetic freaks.

I don’t think top notch nutrition is necessary to be an elite athlete, although it certainly helps and can greatly improve athletic performance greatly. I DO think that excellent nutrition is important for longevity. I’m thinking of some of the top distance runners and their reported nutrition habits. I think there are some young athletes there with sub-optimal nutrition. I think you would be harder pressed to find elite older and Masters runners with sub-optimal nutrition.

I think genetics play a larger factor in whether or not someone is an elite athlete, but certainly diet and training are a critical component. Using your Lance Armstrong example, the man has a much higher lung capacity and a 33% larger heart than the average man his size. That’s a tremendous genetic advantage. But without his mental toughness, physical training and proper nutrition, he probably woudln’t have dominated his sport like he has.

I’d say a lot of it depends on the energy and body comp requirements of each sport. The lower intensity aerobic sports (tri, marathon, XC, etc…) requires better nutrition, particularly on race day, than the higher intensity/short duration sports like football, BMX and explosive track & field events.

[quote]Deinabolic wrote:
I’d say a lot of it depends on the energy and body comp requirements of each sport. The lower intensity aerobic sports (tri, marathon, XC, etc…) requires better nutrition, particularly on race day, than the higher intensity/short duration sports like football, BMX and explosive track & field events. [/quote]

Agreed.

[quote]Deinabolic wrote:
I’d say a lot of it depends on the energy and body comp requirements of each sport. The lower intensity aerobic sports (tri, marathon, XC, etc…) requires better nutrition, particularly on race day, than the higher intensity/short duration sports like football, BMX and explosive track & field events. [/quote]

I agree with this.

Unfortunately the start-up athletes in the said lower intensity sports are often those with the worst nutrition habits. This is especially true for XC and even more-so Womens XC.

Many people pick up these sports for the sake of losing weight through massive exercise and poor nutrition.

Really? I know dozens and dozens of XCers who eat fairly well - maybe more carbs and less protein than optimal by our standards but by no means the three daily Mickey D’s paradigm either. I can’t think of a single MTber I know who eats like crap.

The second corollary to all this is that the older the athlete, the more nutrition matters - I bet the eating habits of say, 30-plus pro ballers are much better than their younger and collegiate counterparts.

[quote]Deinabolic wrote:
Really? I know dozens and dozens of XCers who eat fairly well - maybe more carbs and less protein than optimal by our standards but by no means the three daily Mickey D’s paradigm either. I can’t think of a single MTber I know who eats like crap.

The second corollary to all this is that the older the athlete, the more nutrition matters - I bet the eating habits of say, 30-plus pro ballers are much better than their younger and collegiate counterparts.[/quote]

Agreed. More so the Start-up guys are more likely to have poor nutrition habits.

Still, on a whole there are much more athletes on poor diets than one would expect given the impact that good nutrition has been shown to have.

Thats where the question lies…

Can nutrition make you an elite? or only more elite?

[quote]Deinabolic wrote:
Really? I know dozens and dozens of XCers who eat fairly well - maybe more carbs and less protein than optimal by our standards but by no means the three daily Mickey D’s paradigm either. I can’t think of a single MTber I know who eats like crap.

The second corollary to all this is that the older the athlete, the more nutrition matters - I bet the eating habits of say, 30-plus pro ballers are much better than their younger and collegiate counterparts.[/quote]

True. I feel that way about older athletes also. A lot of XC runners do eat pretty well. But there’s also a lot of high-level XC women who, unfortunately, starve themselves.

My views on this topic are, for what they are worth, the following:

As some have noted above, the relative importance of nutrition varies greatly according to the nature of the sport and, albeit somewhat less so, according to the age of the athlete.

I would add that nutrition potentially plays a far greater role in weight-based sports, especially ones like wrestling where the season is long, matches are many, conditioning is critical throughout the season, and where the practice cutting of weight to make oneself more competitive is widespread.

That being said, my answer to the question of whether nutrition can make an elite athlete is no. From my observations of and dealings with top level. i.e. world class, Russian and Turkish weightlifters my conclusion was that as long as the athlete is getting the minimum, nutrition plays a neglible role. I would like to think the opposite is true, but I can’t.

Genetic ability, hard work, discipline, mental toughness and expectations are far, far more important. The latter two are especially important. On other threads people have noted the importance of the last, expectations, on strength sports. Being next to someone in training or competition who makes a tremendous lift can revolutionize one’s expectations for one’s own performance and in itself can spur tremendous improvement. As they say, if you want to get stronger, find people stronger than you and train with them.

My mind is still open on the topic of the importance of nutrition for competitive sports, but in the majority of cases I think if nurtitional minimums are in place the influence of superior nutrition effect is small at best in most sports and for most athletes. Weight-based sports and older athletes being, potentially, exceptions.

Great post.

It’s hard for us to all admit that too.

Makes you wonder if nutrition matters more in getting you to the top or once you’re at the top.

Good nutrition can be HUGE a advantage.

One reason some people may underestimate it effects on performance is that the many genetically gifted athletes,(who make up most of the pool of elite athletes) have had things handed to them their whole life. As bad as losing feels, not making the team feels a whole lot worse to me. Most of them, have never had to deal with this their whole lives. Hell many of rarely had to deal with losing until they’re in college. Take basketball for example most of the top players go to a school like Oak Hill Academy, where virtually every starter goes D1 or pro, and of course play on the best AAU teams.

I see the influence of nutrition not as important as training, but important nonetheless. Just because the genetically gifted succeed in spite of poor nutrition doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter. Think of how many succeed in spite of poor training! For example I saw what the University of Illinois basketball team does in the weight room. I don’t think it’s explosive leg extensions are what makes Dee Brown the one-man fast break!

Also it’s just basic probability. What percent of people have the potential to play pro sport? What percent of people have the discipline or even knowledge to follow a proper nutrition program? The second is almost as rare as the first in my opinion! Obviously that would make an athlete focused on nutrition hard to come by.

Once at the pro level most athletes seemingly go to one side of the spectrum or the other. You have someone like David Boston on one end (dedication to the extreme, too far IMHO) or you have McDonald’s 3x a day like Chad Johnson. It’s easy to understand this when you consider the type of personalities pro athletes have. Some are driven to do every last thing they can to get just the leat bit better, some think it doesn’t get any better than them and eat like shit just because they can. It’s like Chad Johnson was proud of the fact that he eats McDonald’s 3 times a day. People like that want other people to say “you’re so good now, think of how great you’d be if you…” This is a cop-out, maybe he could be a great receiver one day, but the Mickey Dee’s certainly aren’t going to help him get there.

[quote]elars21 wrote:
Good nutrition can be HUGE a advantage.

One reason some people may underestimate it effects on performance is that the many genetically gifted athletes,(who make up most of the pool of elite athletes) have had things handed to them their whole life. As bad as losing feels, not making the team feels a whole lot worse to me. Most of them, have never had to deal with this their whole lives. Hell many of rarely had to deal with losing until they’re in college. Take basketball for example most of the top players go to a school like Oak Hill Academy, where virtually every starter goes D1 or pro, and of course play on the best AAU teams.

I see the influence of nutrition not as important as training, but important nonetheless. Just because the genetically gifted succeed in spite of poor nutrition doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter. Think of how many succeed in spite of poor training! For example I saw what the University of Illinois basketball team does in the weight room. I don’t think it’s explosive leg extensions are what makes Dee Brown the one-man fast break!

Also it’s just basic probability. What percent of people have the potential to play pro sport? What percent of people have the discipline or even knowledge to follow a proper nutrition program? The second is almost as rare as the first in my opinion! Obviously that would make an athlete focused on nutrition hard to come by.

Once at the pro level most athletes seemingly go to one side of the spectrum or the other. You have someone like David Boston on one end (dedication to the extreme, too far IMHO) or you have McDonald’s 3x a day like Chad Johnson. It’s easy to understand this when you consider the type of personalities pro athletes have. Some are driven to do every last thing they can to get just the leat bit better, some think it doesn’t get any better than them and eat like shit just because they can. It’s like Chad Johnson was proud of the fact that he eats McDonald’s 3 times a day. People like that want other people to say “you’re so good now, think of how great you’d be if you…” This is a cop-out, maybe he could be a great receiver one day, but the Mickey Dee’s certainly aren’t going to help him get there.[/quote]

As jsbrook mentioned before w/ longevity and nutrition, that McD’s will probably prematurely end Johnson’s career down the road.

[quote]TriGWU wrote:Thats where the question lies…

Can nutrition make you an elite? or only more elite?[/quote]

No, nutrition alone cannot make you an elite athlete. Athletes in professional sports rarely have good diets during the season, it’s too hard with all the travel. They don’t have time to eat 4-6 meals a day and make sure all their meals are “clean.”

I do think it can make you more elite though. If nothing else, it would allow you to feel better and have more energy. I also agree that the older the athlete the more important good nutrition is.

[quote]SprinterOne wrote:
TriGWU wrote:Thats where the question lies…

Can nutrition make you an elite? or only more elite?

No, nutrition alone cannot make you an elite athlete. Athletes in professional sports rarely have good diets during the season, it’s too hard with all the travel. They don’t have time to eat 4-6 meals a day and make sure all their meals are “clean.”

I do think it can make you more elite though. If nothing else, it would allow you to feel better and have more energy. I also agree that the older the athlete the more important good nutrition is.
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Bottom line, genetics plays THE most critical role in determining whether someone is an elite athlete or not. Diet, training, etc are tools to maximize that God-given athletic potential and maintain it at that level for a long period of time.

I personally believe that superior nutrition will provide a much needed edge in many cases. You wouldn’t put regular gasoline into a jet engine, would you? Please say “no”. As far as competitive sports goes, if I can an edge for my athletes, then by all means, I will utilize it. Proper nutrition included.

That being said, I have come to realize WHEN you eat is as important as WHAT you eat on game day. For that matter, if you want a kickin’ workout, better nutrition leads to better workouts.

Tyler

[quote]Panther1015 wrote:
SprinterOne wrote:
TriGWU wrote:Thats where the question lies…

Can nutrition make you an elite? or only more elite?

No, nutrition alone cannot make you an elite athlete. Athletes in professional sports rarely have good diets during the season, it’s too hard with all the travel. They don’t have time to eat 4-6 meals a day and make sure all their meals are “clean.”

I do think it can make you more elite though. If nothing else, it would allow you to feel better and have more energy. I also agree that the older the athlete the more important good nutrition is.

Bottom line, genetics plays THE most critical role in determining whether someone is an elite athlete or not. Diet, training, etc are tools to maximize that God-given athletic potential and maintain it at that level for a long period of time.[/quote]
Hit the nail on the head panther. Tiger Woods is a prime example of this.