Makkun,
I’m hoping that Tony Blair wins a third consecutive term as P.M.
It will make you angry.
That will please me.
Good luck!!!
JeffR
ZEB, your last reply exemplifies the problem with arguing with you. I took the time to address you point by point, and:
- you side step every direct question I put to you
- you ignored every honest point I made
- you picked up on points you think you can exploit
- and you attempt to demean me while criticizing me for “belittling” other posters
Also,
- Why couldn’t you directly address --WITHOUT MISSTATING WHAT I SAID (the quote feature is very simple, or you could cut and paste so that you get my words right) – what I said in what I labeled #1? Was it over your head or did it make to much sense to have to acknowledge?
I can’t see how anyone would think this bet of yours is worth anything, and it’s becoming increasingly clear that assessing your “challenge” honestly is merely a futile effort.
Hypothetically, however, what spread would you offer in your little challenge? For, the size of the spread you offer must be – in ZEB’s logic – a measure of your confidence in GWB AND in yourself as a man (make sense? didn’t think so).
This challenge doesn’t make any sense. RSU clearly doesn’t think that Kerry will win, and thus for him to take the bet would be stupid. Thinking he WILL win has nothing to do with WANTING him to win.
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JMB
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Makkun,
I’m hoping that Tony Blair wins a third consecutive term as P.M.
It will make you angry.
That will please me.
Good luck!!!
JeffR[/quote]
JeffR,
besides from being a bit off topic, I have to critique your poetic style:
Haikus are in 5/7/5 syllable lines.
So it would be:
It will make you an…
…gry - that will please me.
Good Luck [Grasshopper]!!!
That’s better, it even contains the required reference to nature now.
But I’m honoured that I even got one of your famous exclamation marks.
Makkun
RSU:
Once again you flatter yourself! What on earth would make you think that I would think enough of your posts to actually take the time to refute you line by line? Is that something that you expect from your little debating partners on campus? Ha, ha, funny stuff. Besides, the way you babble on and repeat yourself, I think that I summed your last post up nicely, and in quick fashion.
However, I’m glad you are now considering the challenge and actually walking up to the plate like a big boy: “what spread would you offer in your little challenge.” I see you want an advantage, you don’t have the faith that Kerry will win. What would all of your liberals Profs say? “RSU…you have shamed us…hand in your list of left wing hate words…oh and your beanie too.”
Okay, kid it’s like this, no spread! It’s a straight up bet. You and many others on this thread (including myself) have talked about how close this election will be. Most political pundits worth anything also think that. You don’t give spreads under those conditions. When you get a little older you will realize the foolishness of your request. For now you will have to take my word for it.
Are you ready to take me up on the challenge now, or do you just want to continue this meaningless (but fun) dialogue?
If Kerry wins you are going to kick yourself…Could have had me off this fourm for three months!
Come on…take the challenge!
[quote]JMB wrote:
This challenge doesn’t make any sense. RSU clearly doesn’t think that Kerry will win, and thus for him to take the bet would be stupid. Thinking he WILL win has nothing to do with WANTING him to win.
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JMB[/quote]
Thanks for understanding JMB. Apparently, you must be a rocket scientist to have seen through this “challenge.”
That said, I wouldn’t say that I don’t think Kerry will win.
I don’t know – and this is what is most crucial.
I don’t know who the majority of people who vote on Nov 2 will choose – and that’s essentially what ZEB’s asking me to predict, which bears no reflection on anyone’s merit.
[quote]makkun wrote:
JeffR,
besides from being a bit off topic, I have to critique your poetic style:
Haikus are in 5/7/5 syllable lines.
So it would be:
It will make you an…
…gry - that will please me.
Good Luck [Grasshopper]!!!
That’s better, it even contains the required reference to nature now.
But I’m honoured that I even got one of your famous exclamation marks.
Makkun[/quote]
LOL…excellent.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
RSU:
Once again you flatter yourself! What on earth would make you think that I would think enough of your posts to actually take the time to refute you line by line? [/quote]
I do it to yours not because I enjoy reading your nonsense, but so that I am thorough and address everything. Try it instead of skipping around and missing the purpose all of the time, preferring to dance around screaming “baby!” “chicken!”
I don’t have debate partners, I have FRIENDS who like to TALK about THINGS. We don’t always agree, yet we remain friends. Funny, huh? Step out of your 1 employee business for long enough to talk to someone.
I only repeat myself when you let direct questions and important comments drop, which you’ve been doing non-stop since you’ve gotten hung up on your bet.
[quote]
However, I’m glad you are now considering the challenge and actually walking up to the plate like a big boy:[/quote]
I’m not considering shit. I said hypothetically, to prove a point that you, surprisingly, didn’t get
What does faith have to do with it? What does knowledge or value of opinion have to do with it? ZEB, I’m afraid I’m going to have to say it – if you can’t see the irrelevancy of your challenge, you’re stupid! I’ve explained it to you before, and you have offered to better response.
[quote]
Okay, kid it’s like this, no spread! It’s a straight up bet. You and many others on this thread (including myself) have talked about how close this election will be. Most political pundits worth anything also think that.[/quote]Isn’t it you who quotes consistently quotes polls bragging about BUSH being up by double digits?
Here’s the logic behind my last point in which I requested the spread: step by step – futile, I know, because you’ll ignore it!
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You claim that I think Kerry will win. This is FALSE, I only claim that I want Kerry to win. (Already, the premise of your bet has been destroyed…but further…)
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If my willingness to bet on Kerry is a testament to my “faith” in him (which I have never attested to), then your willingness to provide a spread is a testament to your “faith” in Bush (which, I believe, you HAVE attested to). You see, the degree of your confidence can be easily measured by the number of percentage points you would provide in a spread.
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It seems reasonable to conclude that since you’ll give no spread, you see the election as a complete toss up.
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Thus, “confidence” in our candidates is totally irrelevant since either can win as easily as the other?
I have shown your bet to be ridiculous and irrelevant in multiple ways now, and your only response continues to be along the lines of “just do it.”
[quote]
Are you ready to take me up on the challenge now, or do you just want to continue this meaningless (but fun) dialogue?[/quote]
It’s not a dialogue – it’s a monologue, for I am the only one making points!
Like I said the first time you posed this challenge to me, you have every right to be here as I do, and seeing you gone matters little to me.
(Note to T-Men: If you don’t have the time to read the entire post skip down to my Top 10
RSU:
The point of the challenge was to see if you were willing to back up your constant claims of Kerry supremacy. As I have repeated over and over again (and you still don’t get it): It’s your attitude, your approach, your demeanor, your…oh so young and foolish self which shows with every single post!
As I have also stated repeatedly and you simply ignore. It’s far easier to attack the President and his supporters than it is to step up to the plate and take a position that has consequences. Kids don’t like consequences. When push comes to shove they would just as soon back down and give excuses. You are not the exception to this rule! As you stated in another post, “I just want Zeb to stop this foolish challenge.” You could have just as easily stated: “Make it all go away Mommy.”
The more you bang away at your keyboard posting your feeble volleys the more you look like a scared kid who is cornered and now claims that Kerry was not all that great to begin with: “If my willingness to bet on Kerry is a testament to my faith, which I have never attested to…”
You mean all of your strong posts stating that Kerry would be a better President than Bush mean nothing? Remember, he is smarter and better qualified and Bush is evil and oh so stupid. You never wrote words to that effect? Is there another RightSideUp on this forum? (If so someone point me in that direction, there is more fun to be had).
My analogy of the Gym rat bragging about a Bench Press that he knows he could never perform seems once again very applicable. When called to back it up there are always a laundry list of reasons why he just can’t do it. No problem, go on being a kid, because after all, that’s all you can be!
RSU’S TOP 10 REASONS WHY HE JUST CAN’T BET ON KERRY:
10-“Hey, I’m no fool typing hateful words on message boards has no consequences. This bet thing could hurt.”
9- Actually, I was for Kerry before I was against him." Right now I am against him winning. That is, I never said he would win…In fact, he won’t. Right?"
8-“What the heck am I supposed to do for three months when Kerry loses? This is the only entertainment I can afford.”
7-“Kerry? Why the heck would I bet on that loser?”
6-“Look, I’ll spread hate and disinformation, but as far as taking a stand…NO WAY MAN!”
5-“I wanted Dean all along! Kerry is a 6’ 3” string bean…See I don’t even like him."
4-“Look we all know a liberal Senator from Mass is not going to topple a sitting President during war time…I’m just talking smack.”
3-“Sheesh you say a few nasty things on a message board and some guy wants to call you on it.”
2-“No, no, no, you have it all wrong! I never said I wanted ‘Kerry.’ It was ‘Terry’ whom I wanted to be President…yea that’s it.”
And the number one reason why RSU just cannot bet on John Kerry to win:
1-“Hey when all is said and done I’m just a poor college kid trying to be a smart ass on a message board. Let it go man…come on I’ll buy you a beer.”
One of RSU and ZEB is acting like a kid, alright, but it isn’t RSU.
Honestly, I don’t give a shit about the whole debate. I’m Canadian, so I can’t vote, and I honestly think both candidates are/will be mediocre presidents. For the most part, I find both of your posts can raise valid issues, though you both are completely uni-dimensional and partisan, and both of you often come off as holier-than-thou.
That said, the ‘challenge’ IS stupid (for the reason JMB stated, among others), and ZEB you’re acting like an elementary school bully. RSU declined your challenge. It has nothing to do with being a ‘kid’ or being ‘chicken’, it has to do with being rational. He’s offered enough valid reasons not to accept, so drop it. And even if he hadn’t, he is not required to accept the challenge, it’s entirely optional and not a reflection of merit.
ZEB, being older does not guarantee you wisdom, and every post you make ‘challenging’ RSU just makes you look silly.
Just my two cents. I imagine you’ll want to respond, so feel free to take whatever shots you feel are warranted, it makes little difference to me.
flee:
Unlike RSU I respect differing opinions! While I naturally disagree with you, I have no desire to attack you for your honest opinion.
In fact, I thank you for using your 35th post on ole’ Zeb!
Take Care.
I’m finished with the challenge argument ZEB.
I respectfully decline your offer for the reasons I have tried to articulate on this thread and every other thread you’ve “challenged” me on.
RSU:
Did you happen to read my top ten reasons RSU will not accept the challenge? Which one really best suits you? Be honest.
Okay RSU I accept your refusal. Furthermore, I will not mention it again under the following conditions:
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You show some respect for your fellow posters (as they should for you). You know who I’m talking about. not just me but Vegita, hedo, Jeff, BB, rain and all the others who disagree with you on a regular basis. You know what I’m talking about. The snide nasty little comments that only degrade your posts.
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Stop the direct personal attacks. I think it behooves all of us to debate the topic and leave the individual out of it. We can disagree without being disagreeable.
You don’t know everything, and neither do I (although we may both act as if we do on occasion). Perhaps we can learn a little something from each other as we move along. When we attack each other personally all we do is build walls and close minds. We have both proven that over the past week or so. Sure it was fun…but actually counter productive to the betterment of the board.
Take care,
Zeb
I got in trouble once for saying ‘behooves’. That and ‘ambivalence’.
Last I checked, sarcasm was still legal.
Legal, but gauche.