[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Who cares what others think or say? [/quote]
This is a discussion forum. If you don’t like people discussing things, why are you here?
Stop trying to tell me when to post.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Who cares what others think or say? [/quote]
This is an arguing forum. If you don’t like people arguing semantics as nauseum and ruining any actual helpful discussion, why are you here?
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This sounds about right.
I never attempted to tell you when to post.
If that is what you gathered from my entire post then you have obviously missed the point and just like to argue.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I consider anyone who can build arms over 18" to have above average genetics.
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OK, so you’re saying you have above average genetics. That’s fine. Why are you stating this? Regardless of genetics–average or above average–it takes adequate training and nutrition to get them. I answered your question. Not sure why you replied with this.
It has to do with the conversation because no one is those men’s size or squatting over 1000 without some considerable drug use. Talk to some powerlifters who’ve squatted 800 to 1000 if they’re open about their drug use. I have.
Yes, I know this. But no one is benching in the low 700’s or squatting 1,000 or more without an ungodly amount of muscle mass. I don’t know what their training style has to do with this because the main focus of my posts has been muscular size.
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But, that pic posted is of a NOT FAT 250LBS’ER…how is it you see otherwise?[/quote]
Your body composition is quite different than some of the not-fat people I’ve shown there. I didn’t compare your physical stats to these people til you and others started to do so.
Wait a minute, I’m confused now. X, didn’t you once say your genetics are average? Now you’re saying they’re above average.
Where have I gone wrong?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Wait a minute, I’m confused now. X, didn’t you once say your genetics are average? Now you’re saying they’re above average.
Where have I gone wrong? [/quote]
I never said I had average genetics. I have for ten whole years stated anyone who can build muscular arms over 18" probably has above average genetics. How is it you see things that have not been written?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Wait a minute, I’m confused now. X, didn’t you once say your genetics are average? Now you’re saying they’re above average.
Where have I gone wrong? [/quote]
I never said I had average genetics. I have for ten whole years stated anyone who can build muscular arms over 18" probably has above average genetics. How is it you see things that have not been written?[/quote]
Well like I said, I was confused and could’ve been wrong. You corrected me.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
It has to do with the conversation because no one is those men’s size or squatting over 1000 without some considerable drug use. Talk to some powerlifters who’ve squatted 800 to 1000 if they’re open about their drug use. I have.
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Who cares what they squat? I don’t powerlift. I never said I was as strong as them. We are talking about NOT FAT 250lb’ers.
Again, what does what they lift have to do with this?
If you think so, fine…but it would seem your opinion isn’t shared by all.
I consider that pic of me o be a “non fat” picture of someone. Are you saying you see otherwise?
You are saying I am too fat to be “non fat”?
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
I am not taking either side on this point but why does it matter what he thinks…do you need him to validate you or something?[/quote]
I surely don’t. I am here for the discussion of weightlifting and bodybuilding outside of “contest prep”. I am responding because I find his stance ridiculous and other people are saying the same thing.
I do believe I have the right to respond, no?[/quote]
Of course you do but it’s just spinning your wheels trying to persuade people what level you are at, some people will think you are the same size as the dude posted, maybe bigger whilst others may think you are a smaller.
Just post a pic, like you’ve done several times already, let them make their minds up and if they don’t agree so be it.[/quote]
Come on man this entire thread has been created to passively and not so passively say that X is not a muscular 250-300lbs as he is actually carrying a massive amount of fat. If he were to lose all of this fat he would weigh miles less. He also does not have 28-30" muscular thighs as they are also grossly fat.
I have said many times I like most of Brick’s posts but just read the OP and all of Brick’s posts in this thread. It is BLINDINGLY obvious it is about one person’s statements and one person’s physique.
If he is trolling for the LOLs then that is fine but really a MASSIVE amount of posts in this forum are only trolling these days and it is actually a shame.
If he isn’t trolling I don’t get his point - the OP says have natural’s built 80+lbs of LBM the answer is more or less yes they have - Det has been posted (but he wasn’t actually 125, he was 140 apparently) and X used a pro hormone for a few months a decade ago so he doesn’t count either it seems. KingBeef has also got near I am sure.
In which case hasn’t the question been answered? Yes naturals can built this huge amount of LBM as shown by members here. One has now posted a pic showing this level of development.
HONESTLY what is the point in continuing the thread - examples have been given and if they are “wrong” then fair enough i guess, but why continue with it?[/quote]
Best post.
I didn’t see a response to it. People did it. Brick sees anyone who has as “too fat” even if abs are coming in.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Who cares what they squat? I don’t powerlift. I never said I was as strong as them. We are talking about NOT FAT 250lb’ers.
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Apparently you didn’t comprehend or read what I wrote: regardless if YOU powerlift or not, it takes an ungodly mount of muscle mass to put up those numbers, muscle mass you’re saying you hold (eg, not fat 250 to 285 pounds at various points of your lifting career, if I have it right).
See post here:
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… your opinion isn’t shared by all. [/quote]
Exactly. There’s freedom of speech.
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I consider that pic of me o be a “non fat” picture of someone. Are you saying you see otherwise?
You are saying I am too fat to be “non fat”?[/quote]
There are varying degrees in body composition of course. And I think we can take like this: we see things differently. I don’t think you’re terribly fat, but you’re carrying a considerable amount of fat–AND MUSCLE.
We see photos of men here who are somewhat lean (12 weeks out or more and bulked up powerlifters) and no one here on this forum except perhaps Synergy looks like them at similar weights (including your various bodyweights through the years). What is wrong with this?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Apparently you didn’t comprehend or read what I wrote: regardless if YOU powerlift or not, it takes an ungodly mount of muscle mass to put up those numbers, muscle mass you’re saying you hold (eg, not fat 250 to 285 pounds at various points of your lifting career, if I have it right).
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I don’t powerlift. This statement makes little sense. You are relating muscle mass directly to strength. Why?
? So no one who has an “ungodly amount of muscle” can carry that withut also being able to squat thousands of pounds?
Dude, no offense, but you are losing credibility with this crap. You are either trolling now or I am guessing you really believe that strength alone now tells you how much muscle someone is carrying.
Once again, so someone has to be near contest shape for them to be “non fat”…ye that pic you posted before was NOT of someone near contest shape.
You were asked if I had muscle mass anywhere near that.
It would seem your opinion changes depending on if you can make sure they can do something I can’t do or don’t train for.
This thread is ridiculous.
YES, people have gained that much lean body mass. The only problem is, guys like you scream that they are all too fat or some other criteria you can make up.
It isn’t a good look.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Once again, so someone has to be near contest shape for them to be “non fat”…ye that pic you posted before was NOT of someone near contest shape.
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No, I posted some guys who were probably THREE OR MORE MONTHS OUT. How is this near contest shape?
I also posted a guy who is a CYCLIST. Did you get that–a cyclist, someone who doesn’t do “contests”?
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You were asked if I had muscle mass anywhere near that. [/quote]
That’s right. And I say you don’t have that, nor do you have the 28 inch somewhat lean thighs of the cyclist shown on page one.
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It would seem your opinion changes depending on if you can make sure they can do something I can’t do or don’t train for. [/quote]
No, the main theme is depiction of men who sport 80 pound muscle gains, are carrying a “bulked up” or “not fat” 250 to 300 pounds or 28-30 inch thighs.
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This thread is ridiculous. [/quote]
I don’t know how. It’s a thread showing hugely muscular men on a bodybuilding and fitness website in a section called Bigger, Stronger, Leaner.
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YES, people have gained that much lean body mass. [/quote]
Right, but not naturally.
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The only problem is, guys like you scream that they are all too fat or some other criteria you can make up. [/quote]
Not the case, considering I’m considering the guys I’ve shown to be NOT fat.
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It isn’t a good look.[/quote]
Alright.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
No, I posted some guys who were probably THREE OR MORE MONTHS OUT. How is this near contest shape?
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I’m sorry, but this guy is NOT that damned lean yet YOU posted his pic as an example of someone leaner than me. I seriously doubt people would see this pic in general and say this guy is that much leaner than me to even have a debate about this.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry, but this guy is NOT that damned lean yet YOU posted his pic as an example of someone leaner than me. [/quote]
Exactly. He’s not that damn lean, but he’s carrying a shit ton of muscle mass, probably a smoothed out weight in the upper 200’s. He’s tall and has a lot of leg and back mass as well.
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I seriously doubt people would see this pic in general and say this guy is that much leaner than me to even have a debate about this.[/quote]
I can’t relate to this constant reference to “other people” because I don’t come to opinions, conclusions, or preferences based on theirs. It seems to me you do.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry, but this guy is NOT that damned lean yet YOU posted his pic as an example of someone leaner than me. [/quote]
Exactly.
Did this even answer anything?
You posted a pic of a guy who is supposed to represent "not fat and “250lbs”. It seems I am NOT much fatter than this guy…so what is your point again?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Exactly. He’s not that damn lean, but he’s carrying a shit ton of muscle mass, probably a smoothed out weight in the upper 200’s. He’s tall and has a lot of leg and back mass as well.
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I see you added this late.
I am leaner than this now, but this back looks small to you?
[photo]38624[/photo]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Exactly. He’s not that damn lean, but he’s carrying a shit ton of muscle mass, probably a smoothed out weight in the upper 200’s. He’s tall and has a lot of leg and back mass as well.
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I see you added this late.
I am leaner than this now, but this back looks small to you?
[photo]38624[/photo][/quote]
Have I ever said you’re small? No. But people like that guy are sporting more whole body mass than you.
What are you trying to prove?
X, how do you manage to keep progressing every single year when even some of the best natties hit a halt in gains or gains become progressively smaller and smaller after over 15 years of lifting.
You’re the only man I’ve come across in a constant state of progress. What do you attribute this to?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Have I ever said you’re small? No. But people like that guy are sporting more whole body mass than you.
What are you trying to prove? [/quote]
That he probably isn’t.
You made the claim that someone my size is “average”. I think you are seeing things because I do NOT see many people at all , and damn sure not on this board, who have backs or anything else as big as mine to claim it is “average”.
I am simply responding to the incredibly ridiculous things you have written here lately.
Apparently, you think it is AVERAGE for someone to have a back that size?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X, how do you manage to keep progressing every single year when even some of the best natties hit a halt in gains or gains become progressively smaller and smaller after over 15 years of lifting.
You’re the only man I’ve come across in a constant state of progress. What do you attribute this to?[/quote]
First, I am not making constant progress since I just spent the last whole year or more rehabbing a motorcycle accident injury that would have kept most people out of the gym completely.
Ignoring that I pulled that off without losing any muscle should be what you focus on…and I did that by doing exactly what I write here.
Maybe you should try listening to it once or twice.
I am a little confused why you would ask that question…yet act like the way I did it is wrong.
How strange.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That he probably isn’t. [/quote]
I think this is laughable.
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You made the claim that someone my size is “average”. I think you are seeing things because I do NOT see many people at all , and damn sure not on this board, who have backs or anything else as big as mine to claim it is “average”. [/quote]
I thought I said your genetics are average and that someone might be able to get to your size with adequate nutrition and training and average genetics.
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I am simply responding to the incredibly ridiculous things you have written here lately.
Apparently, you think it is AVERAGE for someone to have a back that size?[/quote]
See above.
By the way, I’ll be at at an NPC event tonight. I wonder how many behemoths there will be demanding or attempting to force me to grab their jocks and repeatedly affirming how big they are.