He said it in this thread. You just ignored it.[/quote]
Let me make this clear…/I am sure bluecollar can respond to me without the peanut gallery.
How about you let that grown man speak for himself and respond to me?
You are not bluecollar.
I responded to bluecollar, NOT YOU.[/quote]
He already posted those things IN THIS THREAD.
Does he have to repeat himself every time you decide to ignore a quality argument counter to your own? Me quoting where he said it isn’t me speaking for him, it’s me accomodating your personal mental handicap.
So now we have gone from “no one says that” to “no one important says that” to “he didn’t really say that” to “he clearly said that but I’m not going to acknowledge that he said that unless he says it again.”
I wasn’t speaking to you - I was speaking to Marshal - so as you just told Strong, I’ll respond to him, not you. Let the grown man speak for himself, eh? [/quote]
? I am not speaking for him. I asked you a question that had nothing to do with him based ONLY on what YOU alone wrote.
Why run from it?
If none of them did start after the age of full maturation, that gets rid of your “70 years” by quite a bit.
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It’s a moot point because I do not agree with counting normal pubertal weight gain as part of the muscle mass gained purely from weight training.
This is a point we will never agree on, so no further constructive conversation is possible on the subject.
You believe there is no limit to muscle gains, I disagree. You’ve stated your opinion, I’ve stated mine, so I’ll just leave it at that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why are other people speaking for bluecollar in this thread?[/quote]
We are not speaking for him, we are quoting what he said.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]americaninsweden wrote:
I think a large part of the argument is based upon the starting point. If the starting point is skinny 15 year old lifting his first weight at 110 lbs then there is a decent chance the 50lb mark is pretty easily broken. If the starting point is a 18 year old who has physically developed and is up to 150, not so much. If it is 185, nah.
I like my chances to go to 50+lbs if I stick with it, but then again I am 6’5[/quote]
Again…that is why arguing about LBM gained is silly.
Is the lifter at/or about 3lbs per inch of height in lean(all abs in)condition? [/quote]
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
When you find natural lifters that are at/or very close to 3lbs per inch of height lean(all abs in), they are lifters that have ‘the look’ most of us are shooting for, regardless of the amount of LBM they may have added. [/quote]
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
…because I gained my 84 lbs… [/quote]
That is increadable.
Do you have some before and after pics? There is nothing in your HUB and you can’t really tell much by your avi. Post some pics…you must look awsome! [/quote]
no, i look like shit
84 lbs of fat…
all my lifts going up, it was all due to improved leverage and no muscle gain
and I never said I looked awesome, I think some people here are idiots and keep talking about 50 lb limits in every fucking thread and its annoying
I guess the people who choose to stay ~ 200 lbs are the ones who keep telling everyone how much muscle they can gain, without having one shred of evidence to back up their claim… and this forum has a lot of people who would have put on > 50 lbs of muscle since they started
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You’ve gained almost twice as much muscle as CT claims to have gained, yet you look like shit and CT looks awesome. Weird
I wasn’t speaking to you - I was speaking to Marshal - so as you just told Strong, I’ll respond to him, not you. Let the grown man speak for himself, eh? [/quote]
? I am not speaking for him. I asked you a question that had nothing to do with him based ONLY on what YOU alone wrote.
Why run from it?
If none of them did start after the age of full maturation, that gets rid of your “70 years” by quite a bit.
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It’s a moot point because I do not agree with counting normal pubertal weight gain as part of the muscle mass gained purely from weight training. [/quote]
How is is a moot point if you are using these guys to set a limit that ONLY applies to post-pubertal weight gain?
Further, many men grow after “puberty” ends.
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This is a point we will never agree on, so no further constructive conversation is possible on the subject. [/quote]
That makes little scientific sense to use these guys as a pool of data yet NOT worry if they ever started after the age of full maturation…and then demand that anyone who says they did reach that level show that they did start after full maturation.
That makes no sense. Can you explain?
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You believe there is no limit to muscle gains, I disagree. You’ve stated your opinion, I’ve stated mine, so I’ll just leave it at that. [/quote]
I never said there is no limit to muscle gains. Why say something that isn’t true and was never stated?
I guess the people who choose to stay ~ 200 lbs are the ones who keep telling everyone how much muscle they can gain, without having one shred of evidence to back up their claim…
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This 80 lb rule is beneficial for bbers imo. Is it worth it for a 5’8 natty to get delusional and bulk to 240 lbs 20+% bf? When virtually ZERO 5’8 nattys have competed at 200 lbs or even close? This person would likely have to lose 60-70 lbs to get into contest condition!
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
This 80 lb rule is beneficial for bbers imo. Is it worth it for a 5’8 natty to get delusional and bulk to 240 lbs 20+% bf? When virtually ZERO 5’8 nattys have competed at 200 lbs or even close? This person would likely have to lose 60-70 lbs to get into contest condition! [/quote]
But dude that natty would be limiting his gains he could get at a higher bodyweight!
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
This 80 lb rule is beneficial for bbers imo. Is it worth it for a 5’8 natty to get delusional and bulk to 240 lbs 20+% bf? When virtually ZERO 5’8 nattys have competed at 200 lbs or even close? This person would likely have to lose 60-70 lbs to get into contest condition! [/quote]
This forum has nothing to do with contest condition so this post is completely pointless.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
This 80 lb rule is beneficial for bbers imo. Is it worth it for a 5’8 natty to get delusional and bulk to 240 lbs 20+% bf? When virtually ZERO 5’8 nattys have competed at 200 lbs or even close? This person would likely have to lose 60-70 lbs to get into contest condition! [/quote]
This forum has nothing to do with contest condition so this post is completely pointless. [/quote]
But it also has to do with being leaner, you think 8-12% or Blue’s all abs is a reasonable goal for people in this forum?
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
This 80 lb rule is beneficial for bbers imo. Is it worth it for a 5’8 natty to get delusional and bulk to 240 lbs 20+% bf? When virtually ZERO 5’8 nattys have competed at 200 lbs or even close? This person would likely have to lose 60-70 lbs to get into contest condition! [/quote]
This forum has nothing to do with contest condition so this post is completely pointless. [/quote]
But it also has to do with being leaner, you think 8-12% or Blue’s all abs is a reasonable goal for people in this forum?[/quote]
12% may not be “all abs in” for all people.
10% may not be all abs in for all people.
All abs in depends highly on where and how you store body fat…which is GENETIC. I would not use that alone as a standard for all people.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
This 80 lb rule is beneficial for bbers imo. Is it worth it for a 5’8 natty to get delusional and bulk to 240 lbs 20+% bf? When virtually ZERO 5’8 nattys have competed at 200 lbs or even close? This person would likely have to lose 60-70 lbs to get into contest condition! [/quote]
This forum has nothing to do with contest condition so this post is completely pointless. [/quote]
Well thank you for the clarification mr yolo. Please allow me to explain why this is not a pointless post, if you don’t mind?
People are here saying this 80 lb rule is POINTLESS and can only LIMIT people. My previous post is an attempt to show that this rule can also help keep someone that is natty of average height that has a goal of being big AND lean (Bigger, stronger, leaner. This works right?) from geeting delusional and adding excess fat when it is unrealistic and unnecessary.
I sincerely hope this post passes your strict guidelines for this forum mr yolo. I apologize in advance if it does not.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Dan Green is one of those guys who is actually a 242 year round and cuts to the 220’s. On a related note I saw him at the Arnold and the poor bastard looked really haggard. You can tell he is straining his body’s limits.[/quote]
I think most people know that he cuts quite a bit to make weight.
As for the Arnold, I worked at a similar Expo up in New England, those things are draining, I’m not surprised that he looked worn out, he probably was just actually tired.
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I just didn’t know if that’s something you ever wanted to do. Cut down from 240 to the 220’s or from around where you are now to the 198’s right before a meet.[/quote]
A lot of guys lifting in the 220 class will cut quite a bit of weight. One of the funniest things ever is standing in line at early weigh in with a bunch of other guys who cut hard to make weight. All you talk about is what you are going to eat teh second you make weight.[/quote]
Usually I go straight to the near IHOP and get one of everything off the breakfast menu like so:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
This 80 lb rule is beneficial for bbers imo. Is it worth it for a 5’8 natty to get delusional and bulk to 240 lbs 20+% bf? When virtually ZERO 5’8 nattys have competed at 200 lbs or even close? This person would likely have to lose 60-70 lbs to get into contest condition! [/quote]
This forum has nothing to do with contest condition so this post is completely pointless. [/quote]
Well thank you for the clarification mr yolo. Please allow me to explain why this is not a pointless post, if you don’t mind?
People are here saying this 80 lb rule is POINTLESS and can only LIMIT people. My previous post is an attempt to show that this rule can also help keep someone that is natty of average height that has a goal of being big AND lean (Bigger, stronger, leaner. This works right?) from geeting delusional and adding excess fat when it is unrealistic and unnecessary.
I sincerely hope this post passes your strict guidelines for this forum mr yolo. I apologize in advance if it does not.
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But…the rule is based on people who did NOT wait until after full maturity to start training…so how is it even relevant or scientifically accurate?
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
This 80 lb rule is beneficial for bbers imo. Is it worth it for a 5’8 natty to get delusional and bulk to 240 lbs 20+% bf? When virtually ZERO 5’8 nattys have competed at 200 lbs or even close? This person would likely have to lose 60-70 lbs to get into contest condition! [/quote]
This forum has nothing to do with contest condition so this post is completely pointless. [/quote]
But it also has to do with being leaner, you think 8-12% or Blue’s all abs is a reasonable goal for people in this forum?[/quote]
i am not “anti-lean” at all
but talk of “natty BBers” and “nattys who have competed” and “contest condition” are literally irrelevant for these “discussions”
it perpetuates alot of the nonsense from the BB forum which resulted in this forum being created in the first place
talk of losing “60-70lbs” to compete in a BB contest means nothing, there is a separate forum if you want to talk about comps
people can and do have abs while being miles away from “contest shape”
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
This 80 lb rule is beneficial for bbers imo. Is it worth it for a 5’8 natty to get delusional and bulk to 240 lbs 20+% bf? When virtually ZERO 5’8 nattys have competed at 200 lbs or even close? This person would likely have to lose 60-70 lbs to get into contest condition! [/quote]
This forum has nothing to do with contest condition so this post is completely pointless. [/quote]
Well thank you for the clarification mr yolo. Please allow me to explain why this is not a pointless post, if you don’t mind?
People are here saying this 80 lb rule is POINTLESS and can only LIMIT people. My previous post is an attempt to show that this rule can also help keep someone that is natty of average height that has a goal of being big AND lean (Bigger, stronger, leaner. This works right?) from geeting delusional and adding excess fat when it is unrealistic and unnecessary.
I sincerely hope this post passes your strict guidelines for this forum mr yolo. I apologize in advance if it does not.
