Roy, did you ACTUALLY DO EDT or are you just telling us how it will not work? I can give you some credit if it didn’t work for you, but I’m not going to believe for one second that you’re smarter than Charles Staley.
EDT was one of the best programs I’ve used. Roy: The volume is not supposed to keep increasing to infinity, its supposed to increase until your at 20% your original weight and then you increase the weight and start over with your original number of reps until you hit 20% of that weight. If its true that the body can’t re-adjust to a lower volume workout because we’ll become too accustomed to the high volume, than I guess everyone here must have fallen apart when they switched from a hypertrophy phase to a strength phase. Where is the evidence that a body cannot re-adjust to the level of volume it’s given.
I don’t think this training works for everyone. I like to use 5-6 rep sets all year round, and they give me the best gains. I have tried GVT and I lost a lot of muscle. I have tried HST (what a crock of shit) and I lost even more muscle. Generally everyone one says 8-10 reps for hypertrophy, but for me 8-10 reps equals ATROPHY, and although I will end up trying EDT it probably won’t work for me.
Roy, stay close-minded, stay small.
appollo thats rather foolish to do edt knowing its loadin protocols and your response to such parameters. stick with what works.
“…although I will end up trying EDT it probably won’t work for me.”
If this is your attitude, then no, it won't.
Charles would you recommend adopting EDT as a primary training program? (IE: 75-100% and or most of the training year?)
I am concerned about hitting all the muscle fibers, would you use a differnt set of exercises every week or would you stick with the same exercises for say 3-4 weeks to make sure you can monitor progress? Thanks!-FYI: these questions are for all of you who have tried EDT…My main concern with this program is you would have to limit exercises because if you do bench one week then incline DB bench the next week it is hard to gauge progress. Thus, you are not hitting the muscle from “every angle possible” or even close to it. I tend to like to switch things up almost weekly with your average heavy workouts. It looks worth a shot to me though. THANKS.
If you’ve already set yourself up for failure before you even start EDT, you’d probably be better off not even trying it. Keep a positive frame of mind about it, and you just may see the results you want.
Roy, simple question: Have you tried EDT yet? If not, people on this forum aren’t going to be very impressed with your “analysis”.
And Apollo: could you pull up the “HST Results” thread and add your stats to it? I’m trying to gather info from as many people as possible and would appreciate it. Thanks!
Apollo,
What is your training age? For some people after a certain training age you do only have to do like 6-8 reps for hypertrophy. Maybe try EDT with a weight you can only do like 6 or 8 times.
PS. I didn’t like the HST either.
Roy it is utter silliness. I cannot believe anyone would do it. I especially would not want you to do it as I would not want you to become big and dumb.
roy, just a little advice. stop reading muscle and fitness for you training knowledge.
Ehmm, I was closing in on 1200 reps per time segment. Are you guys telling me that it has all been for nothing ? ps: dont take this seriously Roy…
I agree with Apollo, EDT is not for everybody. I myself grow best on 4-6 reps, some bodyparts (eg chest) grow best on 1-3 reps and long rest intervals between sets. The only exception is my quads who like 8-10 reps best. I’ve tranined for 10 years and tried many systems from weider shitty principles to dinosaur training and hit before I finally found what works for me. I guess it is all determined by ones fiber make up.
To Char-D: I’ll post my results on the thread.
To Nick and Jaynick: I’ve been training off and on for about 12 years, so the less reps I do the better. I have also found I have to train every other day, 1 body part a week or I overtrain.
To the others: My attitude is fine. You’re assuming that because I am agreeing with Roy on one level, I fully endorse what he was saying. Wrong. Like a couple of others said, it will not work for everyone. I will try it for variety and bcause I do have an open mind, but based on empirical evidence it probably will not work. I’m 230 and under 10%, so I don’t need guys who weigh 180 or less giving me dogmatic sermons on attitude…
Can’t seem to find the HST thread dude! But basically, I started with 10s rather than 15s. Did 2 weeks of 10s, 2 weeks of 8s and got through 1 week of 5s. Stopped then because I didn’t have any decent gains (<2lb)and felt horribly overtrained. Didn’t take any sets to failure, only 3 sets for large muscle groups-1 exercise of 1 set, 1 ex. of 2 sets. Have been training for 12 years and was using 1g Test/week at the time.
Ooopps! Re above: should read LOST (less than) 2lb-also arms down <1/4 inch.
I tried pulling up the “HST Results” thread and couldn’t do it either. Then I tried a search just using “HST” and was told that there were 0 results! Sigh. It’d REALLY be nice to have that new search engine…
Man, your results are weird! On test and you felt overtrained with HST?!? That’s a new one… What sort of training were you doing before?
I think the program is quite good built into a periodized program. That being said…it doesn’t seem to follow the training rule of “two steps forward and one step back”. My only question is where/when do you implement a detraining phase? We all just can’t get better and better indefinatly…there will come a time when progress grinds to a halt, just ask Verkhoshansky.