^^I just flat out don’t beleive that.
Quality foods/calories (MDD style) will do more for your physique than processed fast foods. That’s not even debatable IMO
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I just flat out don’t beleive that.
Quality foods/calories (MDD style) will do more for your physique than processed fast foods. That’s not even debatable IMO[/quote]
Yeah in terms of looking better yes but in terms of muscle gain i dont care how good those foods are they will not allow you to put on more muscle then is physiologically possible, and as long as your macros and calories are in order mcdonolads and wendys burgers wont slow down your gains youl gain the same amount of muscle tissue either way.
And before when i said bad food i meant like sweets and stuff that would have no positive effect on the body, where the macronutrients are dominantly carbs sugar and fat with nothing usefull. a quater pounder with cheese on the other hand has a very decent macronutrient breakdown with a good amount of protein along with the carbs and fats
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]JLone wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
so if I eat Mc Donalds Double cheese burgers and fries all day long for 6 months while lifting hard/consistently I’ll gain the same amount of muscle mass that I would if I had eaten free range chicken/eggs, grass feed beef, wild caught salmon and sweet potatoes as long as the macros were the same?
You’re saying I would gain the exact same amount of muscle but that I would more than likely just gain more fat with the Whack Arnolds diet? All other outside factors remaining the same.[/quote]
Without using the minds-eye to put a picture of grass fed beef vs. chicken nuggets into our minds. The question is would a diet consisting of the same organic macros vs inorganic macros produce the same result.
The answer is yes. [/quote]
so me eating 2lbs worth of double cheeseburger patties from Mc Donalds every day for a year will have the same effect on my body that eating 2lbs worth of Grass Fed Free Range Beef?[/quote]
I just answered this question…
If all the macros are the same; ie protein, carbs, all fats(mono, poly, etc) are the same it will have the same result on the human body. Since this is only conjecture and neither you or I have the science to back this up we can argue all day.
You keep using McDonolds as a villain but if the amount of chemicals in a McDonolds beef patty pushes your body out of homeostasis then you were in bad shape to begin with. Did you know you take in chemicals drinking tap water and taking a daily shower?
Chemicals such as Chlorine and Fluoride are commonly used in municipal tap water and our poisons. Perhaps we could start another useless thread to argue weather tap water vs filtered water would lead to better lean body mass gains.
^^I only drink filtered water. My shower water is filtered too
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I just flat out don’t beleive that.
Quality foods/calories (MDD style) will do more for your physique than processed fast foods. That’s not even debatable IMO[/quote]
Do more like what? What is “grass fed beef” doing for my muscle gains specifically that regular beef ins’t?
It seems like all the information we need in terms of building muscle with respect to nutrition is contained in this thread. Let’s sticky it and move on.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I just flat out don’t beleive that.
Quality foods/calories (MDD style) will do more for your physique than processed fast foods. That’s not even debatable IMO[/quote]
Do more like what? What is “grass fed beef” doing for my muscle gains specifically that regular beef ins’t?[/quote]
This is just from my personal experience… Since changing up my food choices I have seen great results. I’ve upped my carbs/fats, lowered my protein slightly, cals are roughly the same and I have gotten more muscular, stronger and leaner while keeping my training the same. I feel better too. I used to have stomach issues and bad gas, that is all gone as well.
I don’t expect people to believe me because I say so. I was skeptical at first too but after actually trying it out I’ve seen the results and I’m a believer.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I just flat out don’t beleive that.
Quality foods/calories (MDD style) will do more for your physique than processed fast foods. That’s not even debatable IMO[/quote]
Do more like what? What is “grass fed beef” doing for my muscle gains specifically that regular beef ins’t?[/quote]
This is just from my personal experience… Since changing up my food choices I have seen great results. I’ve upped my carbs/fats, lowered my protein slightly, cals are roughly the same and I have gotten more muscular, stronger and leaner while keeping my training the same. I feel better too. I used to have stomach issues and bad gas, that is all gone as well.
I don’t expect people to believe me because I say so. I was skeptical at first too but after actually trying it out I’ve seen the results and I’m a believer.[/quote]
??
Seen my pics lately? Like I said, you aren’t speaking to people less trained than you. Yeah, I look better right now also…but it would be a HUGE negative if someone were to ask is this the most muscle ever gained at one time.
I have lost body fat and kept muscle (if not gained some)…but that is not the same as gaining a shit ton of muscle in a few months time.
You seem to be confusing this issue.
Yeah, you have made progress and I was going to mention that before…but you also don’t look like you gained a ton of muscle mass over the last few months. You look like you “refined” what was already there mostly.
Don’t confuse an attempt to effect body comp with the goal of gaining the most muscle possible in a given amount of time.
This isn’t about how great you feel when leaner or whatever.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I just flat out don’t beleive that.
Quality foods/calories (MDD style) will do more for your physique than processed fast foods. That’s not even debatable IMO[/quote]
Do more like what? What is “grass fed beef” doing for my muscle gains specifically that regular beef ins’t?[/quote]
This is just from my personal experience… Since changing up my food choices I have seen great results. I’ve upped my carbs/fats, lowered my protein slightly, cals are roughly the same and I have gotten more muscular, stronger and leaner while keeping my training the same. I feel better too. I used to have stomach issues and bad gas, that is all gone as well.
I don’t expect people to believe me because I say so. I was skeptical at first too but after actually trying it out I’ve seen the results and I’m a believer.[/quote]
I just ate a double smokehouse burger from johnny rockets with a large fry smothered in ketchup and I feel fantastic. Also, your mustache smells.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I just flat out don’t beleive that.
Quality foods/calories (MDD style) will do more for your physique than processed fast foods. That’s not even debatable IMO[/quote]
Do more like what? What is “grass fed beef” doing for my muscle gains specifically that regular beef ins’t?[/quote]
This is just from my personal experience… Since changing up my food choices I have seen great results. I’ve upped my carbs/fats, lowered my protein slightly, cals are roughly the same and I have gotten more muscular, stronger and leaner while keeping my training the same. I feel better too. I used to have stomach issues and bad gas, that is all gone as well.
I don’t expect people to believe me because I say so. I was skeptical at first too but after actually trying it out I’ve seen the results and I’m a believer.[/quote]
I just ate a double smokehouse burger from johnny rockets with a large fry smothered in ketchup and I feel fantastic. Also, your mustache smells.[/quote]
On that note, I also feel great when I am growing and my muscles are fully recovering from every workout. I like how I look right now, but I would not say I feel the best when losing weight. That would be FALSE.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I just flat out don’t beleive that.
Quality foods/calories (MDD style) will do more for your physique than processed fast foods. That’s not even debatable IMO[/quote]
Do more like what? What is “grass fed beef” doing for my muscle gains specifically that regular beef ins’t?[/quote]
This is just from my personal experience… Since changing up my food choices I have seen great results. I’ve upped my carbs/fats, lowered my protein slightly, cals are roughly the same and I have gotten more muscular, stronger and leaner while keeping my training the same. I feel better too. I used to have stomach issues and bad gas, that is all gone as well.
I don’t expect people to believe me because I say so. I was skeptical at first too but after actually trying it out I’ve seen the results and I’m a believer.[/quote]
I think a big part of the difference is the fact it’s much harder to hit your macros accurately from fast food type sources.
When you’re at home and you just want to increase your protein you can simply eat some lean meat while taking in immaterial amounts of fat/carbs.
If you are trying to up your protein from the average fast food place, you will have no choice but to up your carbs/fat a decent amount in the process.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I just flat out don’t beleive that.
Quality foods/calories (MDD style) will do more for your physique than processed fast foods. That’s not even debatable IMO[/quote]
Do more like what? What is “grass fed beef” doing for my muscle gains specifically that regular beef ins’t?[/quote]
This is just from my personal experience… Since changing up my food choices I have seen great results. I’ve upped my carbs/fats, lowered my protein slightly, cals are roughly the same and I have gotten more muscular, stronger and leaner while keeping my training the same. I feel better too. I used to have stomach issues and bad gas, that is all gone as well.
I don’t expect people to believe me because I say so. I was skeptical at first too but after actually trying it out I’ve seen the results and I’m a believer.[/quote]
I think a big part of the difference is the fact it’s much harder to hit your macros accurately from fast food type sources.
When you’re at home and you just want to increase your protein you can simply eat some lean meat while taking in immaterial amounts of fat/carbs.
If you are trying to up your protein from the average fast food place, you will have no choice but to up your carbs/fat a decent amount in the process.
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It seems the concept of trying to grow as fast as possible is one that some of you are ignoring.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I just flat out don’t beleive that.
Quality foods/calories (MDD style) will do more for your physique than processed fast foods. That’s not even debatable IMO[/quote]
Do more like what? What is “grass fed beef” doing for my muscle gains specifically that regular beef ins’t?[/quote]
This is just from my personal experience… Since changing up my food choices I have seen great results. I’ve upped my carbs/fats, lowered my protein slightly, cals are roughly the same and I have gotten more muscular, stronger and leaner while keeping my training the same. I feel better too. I used to have stomach issues and bad gas, that is all gone as well.
I don’t expect people to believe me because I say so. I was skeptical at first too but after actually trying it out I’ve seen the results and I’m a believer.[/quote]
I just ate a double smokehouse burger from johnny rockets with a large fry smothered in ketchup and I feel fantastic. Also, your mustache smells.[/quote]
On that note, I also feel great when I am growing and my muscles are fully recovering from every workout. I like how I look right now, but I would not say I feel the best when losing weight. That would be FALSE.[/quote]
I like to taunt people who arent bulking about my eating habits for shits n giggles, but in all seriousness while bulking I pay way more attention to calorie/protein totals than where it comes from. I get the nutrients “clean” most of the time, but on days like today when I’m flying across country I will do what I have to in order to make sure I’m growing. Maybe I’ll end up with a couple more pounds of fat than if I took the “all clean” route…but I will have time to bulk, cut and bulk again in the time it would take me to finish a single bulk if I didn’t eat cheeseburgers and burritos when necessary.
I may restrict myself more in future bulks but not until I am already walking around lean with impressive size. I just don’t understand why anyone would care about being lean until they have muscle… clearly that is a minority opinion and I’m cool with that
PX, grass-fed beef has a different fatty acid profile than regular beef. These don’t lead to DIRECT muscle growth, but through indirect factors, can help you gain muscle.
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CLA can increase insulin sensitivity and increase metabolism.
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Also have vaccenic acid (or TVA, trans-vaccenic acid) which can be transformed to CLA.
HOWEVER
I presented a study that compared metabolic responses between organic meals and fast food meals, in which all macro-nutrients/calories were the same. Basically, all the responses were the same (insulin, FFA, ghrelin, leptin, etc) BUT the organic beef led to lower LDL-cholesterol (the so-called bad cholesterol). This means that grass-fed beef might give you a better lipid profile more conducive for testosterone production.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I just don’t understand why anyone would care about being lean until they have muscle…[/quote]
Amen, the next issue though is you will have some Buck-60 guy on here telling you has has a lot of muscle and is concentrating on the fat lose now.
Each to their own.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I just don’t understand why anyone would care about being lean until they have muscle…[/quote]
Agreed
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I just don’t understand why anyone would care about being lean until they have muscle…[/quote]
Agreed[/quote]
FYI I wasn’t aiming that at you greg, just skinny dudes who wont eat above maintenance in general. Its one reason I avoid the nutrition forum mostly.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
PX, grass-fed beef has a different fatty acid profile than regular beef. These don’t lead to DIRECT muscle growth, but through indirect factors, can help you gain muscle.
-
CLA can increase insulin sensitivity and increase metabolism.
-
Also have vaccenic acid (or TVA, trans-vaccenic acid) which can be transformed to CLA.
HOWEVER
I presented a study that compared metabolic responses between organic meals and fast food meals, in which all macro-nutrients/calories were the same. Basically, all the responses were the same (insulin, FFA, ghrelin, leptin, etc) BUT the organic beef led to lower LDL-cholesterol (the so-called bad cholesterol). This means that grass-fed beef might give you a better lipid profile more conducive for testosterone production.[/quote]
Good info…and I am aware of it. I am just stating that if anyone is telling you that you somehow gain more muscle because you ate grass fed beef today, they are not telling the truth.
Further, anyone with any real size on them is putting away enough food to feed a family of four. I could see being that strict once already fucking huge, but it seems really silly coming from guys who can’t break 200lbs without thinking that everyone else heavier than that is obese and will all lose their muscle if they diet down.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I just don’t understand why anyone would care about being lean until they have muscle…[/quote]
Agreed[/quote]
FYI I wasn’t aiming that at you greg, just skinny dudes who wont eat above maintenance in general. Its one reason I avoid the nutrition forum mostly.[/quote]
Hahaha I know you weren’t dude… No worries. Yeah I pretty much try and stick to the log section to avoid these types of arguments. If it can stay as an intelligent discussion (like this one has) then Im fine with contributing my experience/knowledge but for the most part I stay away. After this PL meet I’m gonna get back in the gym and start jumping again so I can dunk in your face!
Well…you rarely see a nutrition thread get this many views so apparently the topic interested some people.