Eh, as with most things in nutrition and weightlifting, I don’t think there’s any wrong or right answers here, and I’m sure most others know that, as well. I think sometimes we all just get bored and need to do some grunting and chest-thumping
Newbies don’t know that. They log on and take whatever authors on this site write as law and end their personal research right there. Just like the article someone else linked, they are waiting for someone to tell them that they will gain 50lbs of muscle while maintaining sub-10% body fat levels at all times.[/quote]
That’s why I said most. As for newbies, many of them don’t want to take the time and have the patience to learn anyway, so what’s the point in fighting over it. The only way anyone is really going to learn this stuff is practical application (which newbs obviously haven’t done yet). Most newbs will get pissed that they are not seeing the results they want to see, no matter how many times you tell them that single digit bodyfat and weight gain isn’t likely. The ones that do figure it out, well, they become part of that most I described above. There’s really no other way around it.
Besides that, I’m not really sure who’s saying what anymore; this conversation appears to be going in circles. But, from what I gather, it seems like everyone is really saying the same thing over and over:
“Every body is different, and taking advice based soley on broad generalizations is not the way to go. You have to find what works for you.”
[quote]CC wrote:
That’s why I said most. As for newbies, many of them don’t want to take the time and have the patience to learn anyway, so what’s the point in fighting over it. The only way anyone is really going to learn this stuff is practical application (which newbs obviously haven’t done yet). Most newbs will get pissed that they are not seeing the results they want to see, no matter how many times you tell them that single digit bodyfat and weight gain isn’t likely. The ones that do figure it out, well, they become part of that most I described above. There’s really no other way around.
Besides that, I’m not really sure who’s saying what anymore; this conversation appears to be going in circles. But, from what I gather, it seems like everyone is really saying the same thing over and over:
“Every body is different, and taking advice based soley on broad generalizations is not the way to go. You have to find what works for you.”[/quote]
No reason to get all logical and shit and ruin the fun…
Well Lonnie,
I have to applaud you for pulling your balls out, so to speak, and showing everyone a mistake you made that has materialized around your waist.
I’ve had my own battles with dear X, so i can sympathize, but i have to agree with the majority of his points.
There is no way you were working out hard enough.
No way in hell.
If you were doing a clean bulk…even a not so clean bulk, and you were REALLY busting your ass in the gym 5 days a week…i find it hard to believe that that would be your result.
I think the majority of people who lift weights really have no concept of what a truly intense, ball breaking workout is; in which you are out of breath, soaked and feel like you got hit by a train afterwards.
Dave Tate is a great example.
His diet was probably the worst i have EVER seen.
More akin to a classic fat, bloated american housewife than someone who lifts weights. Cinnamon rolls, candy, little debbies and mcdonalds.
HOWEVER, he was busting his ass nearly every day in the gym.
Was he ripped? No, but he was hardly a lard ass.
Genetics do play a role, but the bottom line is not that you were eating too much, but that your diet did not match your physical exertion.
Your input didn’t match your output.
I agree with Sven 100%. When I respond to people I take it as a given that they are working all out. This may be wrong, but I always answer as if they are, unless they give me indication otherwise.
Bottom line is you have to find the diet that suits you. There are probably over a dozen variables that have to be taken into account.
I weigh 240 lbs but grow steadily on over 3,300 clean calories a day. This is possible because my job is very easy and the only real energy I expend is during my workout which is the time I consume most of my carbs.
I actually consumed upward of 4,500 cals when I started bodybuilding at 142 lbs but I was also doing much more aerobic activity from BMX biking so my newbie gains of 43 lbs in 15 months were almost pure LBM. However, once I gave up biking and my workout became my only daily activity I started to gain fat at an incredible rate.
So I realized that my body responded best to high protein 1.5 grams per lb, moderate carbs the bulk of which is centered around my workouts and moderate fat intake. After I realized what ratios suited my body best I was able to continue to still put on muscle, add strength and keep bf under 12%. I still go on mini-bulk cycles every couple of weeks for 2-3 days mainly just to top off glycogen stores.
While this works extremely well for me and what I posted is just a fraction of my nutrition regimen it may not work for you because everybody nutritional requirements are different. So find what suits you and stop taking tips out of M&F.
