Eating Protein-Fat Meals is Lame

Nutrition
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[quote]ckallander wrote:
Carbohydrates fuel your high intensity energy systems. I agree fats and protein fill me up, but they don’t function as high intensity energy suppliers. Assuming you’re working out with any kind of intensity, you’re gonna need some carbs. [/quote]

This is so full of fail its crazy…

I personally dont need carbs of any real quantity to feel great and I have damn near passed out / puked because of my intensity. Carbs dont = intensity… my will power and attitude = intensity… When I take in carbs all I want to do is take a nap…

Nuts
Eggs
Veggies (minus potatoes)
meat of all kinds
SPINCH !
cheese
coffee
greek yogurt
blue berries (post workout shake)

I basically live off of this

oh, and homemade salsa and occasionall black bean hummus…

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I hate the way “carbs” are grouped like “dairy” used to be on the old food pyrmid- all of the icecream is listed as an equal to the nonfat milk.

If there’s one thing I’ve learned from trying to eat less meat, it’s that carb sources are vastly different and that most people (if not all) don’t have a problem with carbs in their diet- it’s the bread and processed carbs that get them in trouble. If everyone stopped eatting bread and pasta and replaced them with quinoa, slow cooking oatmeal, sweet potatoes, beans, and squash they would suddenly discover that they weren’t as carb sensitive as they previously believed.

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[quote]Kai9ne wrote:

[quote]WWEAttitude wrote:
Hopefully no one takes this wrong way, but seriously I can’t stand eating chicken breasts and veggies or steak and veggies. Not only do I get lethargic and dizzy all the time eating that, I can’t seem to feel full on that crap. I find that when eat heaping bowls of whole wheat pasta with chicken and lean beef burgers I feel much more better and have more energy.

The problem is I’m carb sensitive. Is there something wrong with me if I feel better and full after eating a nice big p & c meal compared to a p & f meal. I know it goes against the general opinion that everyone should eat complex carbs post workout, but I can’t seem to survive the day just eating p&f meals.[/quote]

Like some others I think have said already, the meals you just posted don’t really have much fat. A meal I eat often for example is a chicken & veg stew with fatty thigh meat not breast and about 3 tbl spoons of extra fat, coconut oil & olive oil. I feel great after. I also noticed when I add alot of fat to my protein shakes I have more energy than when I don’t [/quote]

Just want to second this. If I eat only lean meat & veggies, it seems just to turn hunger ON, rather than satisfy me. Chicken breast & veggies can quickly have me craving Bad Stuff. My solution has been to include a good portion of nuts with meat & veggies → no more hunger. As for low-carb and keto, I’ve done a few two-week keto runs, and have played around with carb levels a bit, and my experience is that while reduced carbs can certainly help keep you lean, a certain low-energy lethargy is to be expected.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HK24719 wrote:

[quote]protein-pro wrote:
I am on the fourth week of the anabolic diet and it really IS the way to go…[/quote]

The Anabolic Diet may work well for some, but there are other ways to get lean and muscular.

To the OP, ketogenic diets are not magic, you still need to consume fewer calories than you burn. I recommend that you learn to tailor your macronutrient intake so that you can achieve your objectives and feel alert.[/quote]

THIS

Humans are meant to eat carbohydrates. There is tons of NEW literature about the negative aspects of ketogenic and super low carb diets.

Everything should be eaten sensibly and in moderation. [/quote]

Definitely meant to eat carbs, but fruits, veggies and nuts. Not cereal grains, and grain product.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]HK24719 wrote:

[quote]protein-pro wrote:
I am on the fourth week of the anabolic diet and it really IS the way to go…[/quote]

The Anabolic Diet may work well for some, but there are other ways to get lean and muscular.

To the OP, ketogenic diets are not magic, you still need to consume fewer calories than you burn. I recommend that you learn to tailor your macronutrient intake so that you can achieve your objectives and feel alert.[/quote]

THIS

Humans are meant to eat carbohydrates. There is tons of NEW literature about the negative aspects of ketogenic and super low carb diets.

Everything should be eaten sensibly and in moderation. [/quote]

Definitely meant to eat carbs, but fruits, veggies and nuts. Not cereal grains, and grain product.
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Humans have been eatting different grains for so long that I’d argue they are as adjusted to them as milk. Hence, some people handle them fine and they’re a great addition, whereas others are allergic.

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[quote]WWEAttitude wrote:

[quote]SquattMax wrote:

[quote]WWEAttitude wrote:
Hopefully no one takes this wrong way, but seriously I can’t stand eating chicken breasts and veggies or steak and veggies. Not only do I get lethargic and dizzy all the time eating that, I can’t seem to feel full on that crap. I find that when eat heaping bowls of whole wheat pasta with chicken and lean beef burgers I feel much more better and have more energy.
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good afternoon,

whole bunch of folks jumped on the keto part of this… ~shrugs~… not going to quote old or new studies at you, don’t really care… DO care enough to tell you My experience…

been a big Guy My whole life… got too big and went on the atkins diet 1 Apr 2003 @ 315 anf 5’9" … was too embarrassed to do body fat testing…

when football season {{I coach}} started on 1 Aug 2003, I was benching sixty pounds more, squatting 125 or so more, and deadlift went up dramatically… don’t remember how much any longer… and I had lost sixty pounds…

did I feel sleepy and cranky for a bit of time?.. yup, bout two weeks… the induction phase, less than 20 grams of carbs a day… did I get over it?.. yup… more energy, more strength, lower heart rate, lower cholesterol, clearer skin, you name it, it got better…

did I keep the weight off?.. it’s been six and a half years, I’ve gained back ten pounds on a bad day… when it gets to ten, I do induction and it goes away…

did I keep the strength?.. I got lazy and also moved several times… so that is a yes and no answer… right now today stronger than I was then, still on Atkins maintenance, and getting stronger every workout…

grin… fire away, feel free to tell Me low carb is bad or stupid or whatever… I have no damage after nearly seven years, I feel better, I’m at least as strong, I’m sixty pounds lighter, and I have more energy with lower cholesterol and body fat…

it worked for Me…

have a great day…
do I keep carbs low?.. yup but not insanely so… average is prolly 70 grams a day, give or take, with a cheerful meal of spaghetti or pizza when I want it…

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I got a few questions for you. 1)after you lost the weight how did you begin reintroducing carbs back into ur diet, did u do this by eating more fruits or things like potatoes, and are you still trying to lose weight?? 2) If your keeping carbs to 70 grams a day or so, do you mainly eat them during breakfast, or before/after workout?? 3) lastly and most importantly, what kind of cardio did you do during the period you were losing weight and if your on maintenance, what kind do you do now??[/quote]

good morning,

stay mostly away from potatos and whites… they show up occasionally, but not very often… I want to lose another 30-40 pounds, real life manages to get in the way regularly… Honestly, split between breakfast and post workout… as for cardio… none… zero… I had fractures in both calf bones of the left leg, and could barely walk… NOW, I hit a stationary bike for about thirty minutes a day three to five days a week…

have a great day,

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[quote]Ratchet wrote:

[quote]ckallander wrote:
Carbohydrates fuel your high intensity energy systems. I agree fats and protein fill me up, but they don’t function as high intensity energy suppliers. Assuming you’re working out with any kind of intensity, you’re gonna need some carbs. [/quote]

This is so full of fail its crazy…

I personally dont need carbs of any real quantity to feel great and I have damn near passed out / puked because of my intensity. Carbs dont = intensity… my will power and attitude = intensity… When I take in carbs all I want to do is take a nap…

Nuts
Eggs
Veggies (minus potatoes)
meat of all kinds
SPINCH !
cheese
coffee
greek yogurt
blue berries (post workout shake)

I basically live off of this

oh, and homemade salsa and occasionall black bean hummus…
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No, that particular energy pathway REQUIRES glucose. That’s fact, not bro-bullshit.

Glucose comes from one of two places, either from dietary carbohydrates, or from protein via glucogenesis.

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[quote]bilj wrote:

[quote]HK24719 wrote:
I recommend that you learn to tailor your macronutrient intake so that you can achieve your objectives and feel alert.[/quote]

Great advice!
The problem with this recommendation is that you are not giving enough specifics for the average person on this site, or anywhere for that matter. Most of us will never take what you said and do anything with it. We need spoon-feeding, motivation, irrifutable proof. If you can not give us specific macros and sample meals, we will never get this right. It’s too darn hard for those without experiance and we want results yesterday. What most need is a template that works for most people that can be tweaked. That is, unless they are a very special unique snowflake just like me. Er, wait, what?

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If you want to be spoon-fed, then you really need to pay for it. How is someone on a forum supposed to figure out what works for YOU and how can you really expect them to put in the time and energy to figure out YOUR diet when you aren’t even willing to do it. As for wanting results yesterday… good luck with that. I’m sure whining about how everyone else should just hold your dick for you is really going to get you those results.

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Just wanted to jump in real quick and say a couple of things:
Ketones don’t make you store fat, your body burns them when there are no carbs to process into glucose.
Carbs are the body’s favorite choice of energy because it’s easy to convert, but it’s happy to convert protein as well, and loves fat for fuel. All calories are not the same. This is really, really old fashioned thinking.

Everyone needs to experiment with macros and their own body, and for sure with timing. I work out in the morning, so I sandwich my work out with protein/carb meals and that’s it for the day for me with carbs. Then just lots of meat/veg/fat meals for the remaining 4 or 5 meals. If it’s been a brutal day in the weightroom and I feel short tempered or cranky I just eat another meal.

There is no template for one size fits all nutrition.
And as far as evolution goes, most anthropologists will tell you the human body has changed very, very little. So a “caveman” diet is just fine. They weren’t eating refined carbs, or even quinoa/oatmeal. Maybe a tuber, sweet potato relative occasionally, but lots of meat, fat, and hanging berries and fruits. That’s it. And they were strong, big and lean. With no heart disease.

The Mesopotamians and then the Egyptians were the growers of grains to feed big populations cheaply. They all had heart disease and diabetes. Seriously, check it out.
Also, keto diets aren’t a new fad, there is documentation of it being used for several hundred years.
Sorry to be so long winded, just wanted to point out a few things.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]Ratchet wrote:

[quote]ckallander wrote:
Carbohydrates fuel your high intensity energy systems. I agree fats and protein fill me up, but they don’t function as high intensity energy suppliers. Assuming you’re working out with any kind of intensity, you’re gonna need some carbs. [/quote]

This is so full of fail its crazy…

I personally dont need carbs of any real quantity to feel great and I have damn near passed out / puked because of my intensity. Carbs dont = intensity… my will power and attitude = intensity… When I take in carbs all I want to do is take a nap…

Nuts
Eggs
Veggies (minus potatoes)
meat of all kinds
SPINCH !
cheese
coffee
greek yogurt
blue berries (post workout shake)

I basically live off of this

oh, and homemade salsa and occasionall black bean hummus…
[/quote]

No, that particular energy pathway REQUIRES glucose. That’s fact, not bro-bullshit.

Glucose comes from one of two places, either from dietary carbohydrates, or from protein via glucogenesis.[/quote]