Eating More = Feeling Sick

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So, I have decided that since I’m reading this web site, I should take advice I’m being given. I’ve all ways liked lifting heavy, so that’s never been a problem. Most people have told me that my hour of cardio (about 1000 calories is what I end up burning) is prob to much, but hey for now I’m trying to drop fat. When I loose a bit more body fat I’ll ease up on the cardio. Beyond all this I have come to the conclusion that if I’m going to be burning about 1000 calories 5 days a week (more on days I play sports) I need to be eating more then the 1500 calories I have been taking in.

My question is this. Since I’ve been eating right about 50% protein 25% fat and carbs, I feel full all the time. There are days I have forced my self to eat, and I almost feel sick. Don’t get me wrong I like to eat, and when I ate like crap I was always hungry. Now a protein shake with a banana, some fat free yogurt, and 1% milk mixed in fills me up for a good 3 to 4 hours.

I’m not even going for “abs” at this point; I still have to much belly fat to worry about that. I’m just legitimately full. I never like to let my self get hungry, if I’m hungry I eat. How do you guys take in so many calories a day of nutritious foods?

When I eat as much as every one is telling me, when I go to the gym I feel sluggish. When I do my cardio I feel sick sometimes when I eat that much, and that’s when I wait a good hour or so to let my food digest.

How did you guys train your body to take in that many useful calories?

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[quote]sma92878 wrote:
So I have decided that since I’m reading this web site, I should take advice I’m being given. I’ve all ways liked lifting heavy, so that’s never been a problem. Most people have told me that my hour of cardio (about 1000 calories is what I end up burning) is prob to much, but hey for now I’m trying to drop fat. When I loose a bit more body fat I’ll ease up on the cardio. Beyond all this I have come to the conclusion that if I’m going to be burning about 1000 calories 5 days a week (more on days I play sports) I need to be eating more then the 1500 calories I have been taking in.

My question is this. Since I’ve been eating right about 50% protein 25% fat and carbs, I feel full all the time. There are days I have forced my self to eat, and I almost feel sick. Don’t get me wrong I like to eat, and when I ate like crap I was always hungry. Now a protein shake with a banana, some fat free yogurt, and 1% milk mixed in fills me up for a good 3 to 4 hours.

I’m not even going for “abs” at this point; I still have to much belly fat to worry about that. I’m just legitimately full. I never like to let my self get hungry, if I’m hungry I eat. How do you guys take in so many calories a day of nutritious foods?

When I eat as much as every one is telling me, when I go to the gym I feel sluggish. When I do my cardio I feel sick sometimes when I eat that much, and that’s when I wait a good hour or so to let my food digest.

How did you guys train your body to take in that many useful calories?[/quote]

Well quit eating Mr. oe and you may feel better.:slight_smile:

Dude you are eating 1500 cals a day? And burning up a 1000 of those five days a week? Is this right? At that rate you will disappear soon.

I mean this in the most positive way, you are in need of some edu-ma-cation. Go to Vroom’s beginners thread and use it! Bring your self up to speed on how to accomplish successfully the body composition goals you have. Here’s the link:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=640350

D

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I just recently started upping my calories after losing a good bit of weight. I’m going for nutrition as well and I have to agree it’s difficult to eat as much as you are supposed to. The trick with not getting sick during your workout is to not eat anything heavy close to the workout. I usually have my last heavy/rich food by 3pm. Have a protien bar or protien/energy bar around 5pm and start my workout at 6pm. That has worked well for me.

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[quote]sma92878 wrote:
So I have decided that since I’m reading this web site, I should take advice I’m being given. I’ve all ways liked lifting heavy, so that’s never been a problem. Most people have told me that my hour of cardio (about 1000 calories is what I end up burning) is prob to much, but hey for now I’m trying to drop fat. When I loose a bit more body fat I’ll ease up on the cardio. Beyond all this I have come to the conclusion that if I’m going to be burning about 1000 calories 5 days a week (more on days I play sports) I need to be eating more then the 1500 calories I have been taking in.

My question is this. Since I’ve been eating right about 50% protein 25% fat and carbs, I feel full all the time. There are days I have forced my self to eat, and I almost feel sick. Don’t get me wrong I like to eat, and when I ate like crap I was always hungry. Now a protein shake with a banana, some fat free yogurt, and 1% milk mixed in fills me up for a good 3 to 4 hours.

I’m not even going for “abs” at this point; I still have to much belly fat to worry about that. I’m just legitimately full. I never like to let my self get hungry, if I’m hungry I eat. How do you guys take in so many calories a day of nutritious foods?

When I eat as much as every one is telling me, when I go to the gym I feel sluggish. When I do my cardio I feel sick sometimes when I eat that much, and that’s when I wait a good hour or so to let my food digest.

How did you guys train your body to take in that many useful calories?[/quote]

If I understand correctly, you are eating 1500 calories per day TOTAL but you burn 1000 calories per cardio session??

Anyway your progress is stalled and your body needs a change. Start eating more fat and less carbs so your body stops holding on to body fat.

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sma:

Good points.

I always advise people that I am training who want to gain weight to “stay full.”

That does not mean stuffing yourself at every meal. But, it does mean that you should never be hungry. There is a difference between the two.

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You should gradually increase your food intake, say by 150 cal/day for a week. Stay at that level for another week, than again ad 150 cal/day for the next week and so on.

I also recommend to slash your cardio in half untill you reach 2500 cal/day.

The idea is to get a solid breakfast.
Count your CHO-drink during training and your pwo-shake and you only have 4 other meals to worry about.
And these should be build around your training.
There’s plenty of information about that on this website.

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you have been starving yourself basicly so your body isnt used to having even enough food to function properly. It takes time to adapt, and from personal experiance sometimes it takes A LONG TIME. But once it adapts your results will be far superior.

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Yes, I know I’ve been not getting enough cals. I wasn’t working out as hard in the past, and I just kept adding more to my work out with out adding more food. Right now it’s hot and humid where I am, so the only thing I feel like eating is well nothing.

In the winter time I eat more, but at about 90 degrees and about 90% humidity. God yuck.

The only time I feel like eating is right in the morning when I wake up, and late at night when it’s cool out. The morning isn’t bad, but I’m trying not to eat after 7:30pm or so.

I will try the adding 150 cals a week thing, that sounds like it can work. I know that both my strength and fat loss will be slowed if I don’t eat. It’s just eating what, and how I’m supposed to.

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[quote]sma92878 wrote:
Yes, I know I’ve been not getting enough cals. I wasn’t working out as hard in the past, and I just kept adding more to my work out with out adding more food. Right now it’s hot and humid where I am, so the only thing I feel like eating is well nothing.

In the winter time I eat more, but at about 90 degrees and about 90% humidity. God yuck.

The only time I feel like eating is right in the morning when I wake up, and late at night when it’s cool out. The morning isn’t bad, but I’m trying not to eat after 7:30pm or so.

I will try the adding 150 cals a week thing, that sounds like it can work. I know that both my strength and fat loss will be slowed if I don’t eat. It’s just eating what, and how I’m supposed to.[/quote]

You know there is a false perception among many people that any one who is overweight is just stuffing their face all day.

In fact it is quite the opposite and in many cases where people are over weight they eat a very sparse diet in only one or two main meals per day that is low in protein and usually high in refined carbs and unhealthy fats.

This in combination with a sedentary lifestyle leads to a loss of muscle and gain of fat as the years go by and metabolism drops into the toilet. The good news is you can reverse this by breaking that habit because right now that is the habit your are in, but if you slowly change it as somebody else said you will create a new habit.

I was like you at one time only eating one main meal per day and when I first got into lifting and learned the benefits of eating small healthy meals throughout the day it took time to adjust to this. When you do you will be amazed at your energy levels, overall feeling good, and getting stronger and leaner.

Many people I believe who are treated for depression with drugs would have a much better result if they got off of their asses ate right and became active, but it’s much easier to blame some ailment and ask the Dr. for a pill.

Good luck and shoot me a PM if you have any questions for me.

D

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a little more information on what your goals are would be helpful. also, how much do you weigh? what’s your height? how long have you been doing an hour of cardio a day while only ingesting 1500 cals?

if you’ve been doing your current routine for a while, then your body has probably reached a plateau and that’s why you’re having trouble losing more weight.

tony gentilcore just posted a great article including information on reaching plateau’s. you can read it here at http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1167788

if you’re trying to lose weight, you should start eating a lot more clean foods so that your lifting will actually produce results. i don’t know anyone who’s phsyically able to put on muscle with 1500 cals a day who also burns 1000 of them on cardio. again, i don’t know what your height/weight is, but it sounds like you’re falling way short of your nutritional needs.

also, you might try getting more calories through liquids if you’re having a hard time eating enough food.

good luck with your efforts.

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the only way to get used to eating more is by eating more, there’s no way around it…anyone that has not had to force feed themselfs, to take that bite when just looking at it makes you sick…those people don’t know what eating to get big really means…you don’t eat every couple hours 'cause you’re hungry, but because this is the choice you made, and this is the road you’re on…

if this is what you really want to do, than do it…your body will get used to it, i’m not gonna lie…there still will be times when you have to force feed, but maybe you’ll get to the point that even though you stuffed yourself all day long you have to wake up in the middle of night …only because you’re hungry…

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[quote]sma92878 wrote:
When I eat as much as every one is telling me, when I go to the gym I feel sluggish. When I do my cardio I feel sick sometimes when I eat that much, and that’s when I wait a good hour or so to let my food digest.

How did you guys train your body to take in that many useful calories?[/quote]

Sounds like you’re eating too close to gym time. You’d likely feel better to eat 3 hours before exercising, and if your stomach is empty then, to sip a protein shake while working out.

Also, if you are taking in so few calories, you’re probably eating a lower volume of food (unless that’s 1500 calories of lettuce or something). Anyways, you can stretch your stomach over time for increased capacity, by progressively eating more and more often. Good luck.

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[quote]Now a protein shake with a banana, some fat free yogurt, and 1% milk mixed in fills me up for a good 3 to 4 hours.
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This is what I found too. The problem could be that there is too much air in the form of froth and bubbles in the shake, and this can expand in your stomach and make you feel full and bloated.

The solution? Well, you can either let the shake sit for a couple of minutes to allow the bubbles and air to settle down, or you can use a smaller handheld blender that still mixes all the ingredients together, but does not ‘aspirate’ or whip the shake up too much.

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[quote]sma92878 wrote:
So, I have decided that since I’m reading this web site, I should take advice I’m being given. I’ve all ways liked lifting heavy, so that’s never been a problem. Most people have told me that my hour of cardio (about 1000 calories is what I end up burning) is prob to much, but hey for now I’m trying to drop fat. When I loose a bit more body fat I’ll ease up on the cardio. Beyond all this I have come to the conclusion that if I’m going to be burning about 1000 calories 5 days a week (more on days I play sports) I need to be eating more then the 1500 calories I have been taking in.

My question is this. Since I’ve been eating right about 50% protein 25% fat and carbs, I feel full all the time. There are days I have forced my self to eat, and I almost feel sick. Don’t get me wrong I like to eat, and when I ate like crap I was always hungry. Now a protein shake with a banana, some fat free yogurt, and 1% milk mixed in fills me up for a good 3 to 4 hours.

I’m not even going for “abs” at this point; I still have to much belly fat to worry about that. I’m just legitimately full. I never like to let my self get hungry, if I’m hungry I eat. How do you guys take in so many calories a day of nutritious foods?

When I eat as much as every one is telling me, when I go to the gym I feel sluggish. When I do my cardio I feel sick sometimes when I eat that much, and that’s when I wait a good hour or so to let my food digest.

How did you guys train your body to take in that many useful calories?[/quote]

If you don’t feel like eating don’t. Your body knows more about what it needs that all the experts so listen to it. Force feeding and over-eating are two firtst class tickets to an early grave and health problems.

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[quote]Pound4Pound wrote:
If you don’t feel like eating don’t. Your body knows more about what it needs that all the experts so listen to it. Force feeding and over-eating are two firtst class tickets to an early grave and health problems.[/quote]

Force feeding leads to death? How did you come to this conclusion? This is bodybuilding. Nearly everyone you see on any stage has force fed themselves at one time or another simply becasue you have to give your body more of what it needs to continue to grow beyond your body’s comfort zone.

If I had listened to you, I would probably still be about 150lbs. I want you to list the health problems caused by giving your body more food even when you might not be hungry. Please list them and number them for easy reference.

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[quote]Pound4Pound wrote:

If you don’t feel like eating don’t. Your body knows more about what it needs that all the experts so listen to it.[/quote]

Many people don’t feel like eating breakfast. Should they stop eating food in the morning because of that? Conversely, what about cravings for sugar and carbs? I consider subjective perception a poor means to manage nutritional intake.

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[quote]michael2507 wrote:
Pound4Pound wrote:

If you don’t feel like eating don’t. Your body knows more about what it needs that all the experts so listen to it.

Many people don’t feel like eating breakfast. Should they stop eating food in the morning because of that? Conversely, what about cravings for sugar and carbs? I consider subjective perception a poor means to manage nutritional intake.[/quote]

Exactly. According to him, every single craving for doughnuts should be met as well because, hell, your body knows more than experts, right?

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[quote]Pound4Pound wrote:
If you don’t feel like eating don’t. Your body knows more about what it needs that all the experts so listen to it. Force feeding and over-eating are two firtst class tickets to an early grave and health problems.[/quote]

yeah, you should listen to this…i would take it an extra level though…if you’re laying around watching tv when it’s time to go train and your body doesn’t feel like, than don’t!..if this keeps on happening for a year or two straight, than just go with it!..don’t listen to people with experince that know what it takes, your body knows best!

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I know how you feel. I’ve been trying to eat enough calories and it really is work sometimes, as silly as that may seem to others. Here’s two strategies I use that help me get enough food in, even when I am practically sick of eating.

1.) Eat while doing something. This works well when you aren’t busy and have time to prolong a meal, as is usually the case for breakfast for me. I stuff down as much as I can, then when I start getting sick of eating (usually around the 6th or 7th egg), I turn on the tv or open up the newspaper while continuing to pick at the food. I find that while my mind is occupied, it’s easier for me to eat.

2.) Food “booster shots.” Pick a food that’s calorically dense and set aside 500-1000 calories worth of it. Make sure you finish it by the end of the day. Right now I’m using olive oil, I just set aside 5 tablespoons worth, and have a little bit periodically.

Over the course of the day, that gives me nearly 600 calories that are easy to consume. Consider this supplemental to your meals.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
Pound4Pound wrote:

If you don’t feel like eating don’t. Your body knows more about what it needs that all the experts so listen to it.

Many people don’t feel like eating breakfast. Should they stop eating food in the morning because of that? Conversely, what about cravings for sugar and carbs? I consider subjective perception a poor means to manage nutritional intake.

Exactly. According to him, every single craving for doughnuts should be met as well because, hell, your body knows more than experts, right? [/quote]

It’s an interesting thought really, that is, trying to figure out why we crave what we do. I figure that most of the reason sweets are so appealing is it satisfies extremely well a basic need for energy. If you stop and think about it, anything with a good amount of fat and sugar becomes appealing, why? It must taste good for a reason.

I highly doubt evolution would select those things worst for us and drive us to eat them. A few thousand years ago, this wouldn’t have been a problem either, as the availability of such goods was quite dearth (on the occasion you happen across a bee hive), and our survival depended upon finding adequate energy sources.

Today, we have refined sugar and fats everywhere, yet our instincts to consume these things havent changed much as a whole (hence the problem). I do believe it is important to recognize and satisfy certain cravings as many may be indicative of dietary deficiencies. To do so, however, requires one to recognize the difference between a true craving and simply a “sweet tooth”.

Learning to live a more healthy lifestyle, as far as eating and training is concerned, has definitely been fascinating. Oddly enough, I find my cravings have completely changed. Steak and fish are the highest on my list, followed by spinach and greens powder (mmmm dirt).