[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
How So? The amount of protein in 3000 calories worth of pizza is tremendously less than the amount in steak veggie meals with similar calories. I don’t think the body comp of a person living off frozen pizzas eating the same amount of calories as an indivdual living off a nutritionally sound diet would be the same granted their metabolisms and genetics are similar.
Now if we do take thermic effect into consideration than my point holds even more true, more protein, more calories burned.[/quote]
I’m assuming he altered the rest of his diet to account for the pizza…
Meaning…
you have two guys who are eating
300g of protein
100g of fat
400g of carbs
3700 calories
same exact surplus(same protein)…
even if you change the macros it won’t matter too much(only changes are due to TEF)…any excess macro will cause fat gain…the body is extremley complex and designed to store fat in a surplus no matter the circumstance…
My point was D what your saying won’t happen. It’s not a big deal as in anyone could do what they want to do so if you like your pizza I’m not saying don’t eat it but there are much more efficient ways to eat than pizza which is calorically dense with not a very good macro nutrient breakdown compared to a steak and potato meal. You’re eating 1300 calories in this small pie mainly fat and carbs. 1300 calories in steak, let’s say lean sirloin, is about 2 pounds of beef and roughly 200 grams of protein. You wouldn’t even get 200grams protein from 3000 cals worth of pizza. A sure way to not be adding on the LBM that you would on a more bbing oriented diet.
Hate to say it as well raj but I wouldn’t take diet advice from you no offense.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
For these people who need a ridiculous amount of calories to grow I would be eating frozen pizza’s everyday.
For people who need 5000+ calories it must be complete torture eating 90% clean foods.
For those of us who only need 3000-4000 - not so much.[/quote]
I recently read a study where there they put about 10 people on a 1000 calorie surplus in controlled conditions…one guy burned off close to 800 of the surplus…while others stored almost all of it…
There is also a film on youtube “why thin people are not fat”…showed similar results…
besides the 90/10 ground beef and steak the others are calorically around the same or better per dollar. however they obviously have a much higher protein content than a pizza would. just something to consider
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
My point was D what your saying won’t happen. It’s not a big deal as in anyone could do what they want to do so if you like your pizza I’m not saying don’t eat it but there are much more efficient ways to eat than pizza which is calorically dense with not a very good macro nutrient breakdown compared to a steak and potato meal. You’re eating 1300 calories in this small pie mainly fat and carbs. 1300 calories in steak, let’s say lean sirloin, is about 2 pounds of beef and roughly 200 grams of protein. You wouldn’t even get 200grams protein from 3000 cals worth of pizza. A sure way to not be adding on the LBM that you would on a more bbing oriented diet.
Hate to say it as well raj but I wouldn’t take diet advice from you no offense. [/quote]
But I mean if when I’m eating the pizza I’m still getting near 400 grams of protein(190 lb body weight) wouldn’t another 128 grams of protein(pizza has 72g) turn to fat just as much as the excess fat or carbs from the pizza, because its more than my body needs? Ofcouse when you eat over maintenance, needed to build muscle, some turns to muscle, some turns to fat.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I’d get fat, I did get fat.[/quote]
Thats because you ate a caloric surplus, not because you ate frozen pizza.[/quote]
A caloric surplus leads to muscle and fat gain. Proper nutrition and nutrient timing favors muscle gain.
Frozen pizzas and donuts favor fat gain.[/quote]
As pointed out earlier, I don’t see any certain thing making somebody fat. I was eating cinnamon rolls or some other caloric dense food each night in order to get to 4,000 cals. I never got fat. I did see muscle growth and quickly as my body was just waiting for those precious calories. Like most skinny fucks I’m virtually always under fed and in a caloric deficit because of my metabolism.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I’d get fat, I did get fat.[/quote]
Thats because you ate a caloric surplus, not because you ate frozen pizza.[/quote]
A caloric surplus leads to muscle and fat gain. Proper nutrition and nutrient timing favors muscle gain.
Frozen pizzas and donuts favor fat gain.[/quote]
As pointed out earlier, I don’t see any certain thing making somebody fat. I was eating cinnamon rolls or some other caloric dense food each night in order to get to 4,000 cals. I never got fat. I did see muscle growth and quickly as my body was just waiting for those precious calories. Like most skinny fucks I’m virtually always under fed and in a caloric deficit because of my metabolism.[/quote]
actually eating frozen pizza is ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE for you. Remember…it’s not real food…it’s processed food. Lots of fillers and garbage really. What you should be looking at on the back is the sodium content. Depending on the brand…a full pizza to yourself is usually well over the amount of sodium you’re supposed to be ingesting in a day. Keep this up and you could probably almost guarantee a stroke at a younger age. My roommate has been eating frozen pizza everyday since i’ve moved in here, i asked him why…to which my reply was that it’s soooooo cheap. So are vegetables I explained…and vegetables have more fiber and vit/min than that garbage you’ve been eating. Then he replies…yea, but i’m lazy. Laziness is what a lot of you guys need to shake away from…if you’re sitting at home with nothing to do, cook some REAL food. It really doesn’t take that long. Also, this isn’t just true for frozen pizza. Look at any canned, or frozen stuff that should be perishable (refried beans, camp bells soup, frozen burritos, any frozen dinner, etc) and you’ll see how little consumption of the product it takes for you to reach the recommended amount of sodium. Hopefully all of you get off of eating processed SHIT everyday. I’m in the process right now, and while i’ll admit, it’s not easy but it’s something that needs to be taken out of my (or any other person’s) diet to keep a healthy heart, and to reduce the amount of toxins in your body which would lead to a healthier life.
[quote]skitownbustah wrote:
actually eating frozen pizza is ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE for you. Remember…it’s not real food…it’s processed food. Lots of fillers and garbage really. What you should be looking at on the back is the sodium content. Depending on the brand…a full pizza to yourself is usually well over the amount of sodium you’re supposed to be ingesting in a day. Keep this up and you could probably almost guarantee a stroke at a younger age. My roommate has been eating frozen pizza everyday since i’ve moved in here, i asked him why…to which my reply was that it’s soooooo cheap. So are vegetables I explained…and vegetables have more fiber and vit/min than that garbage you’ve been eating. Then he replies…yea, but i’m lazy. Laziness is what a lot of you guys need to shake away from…if you’re sitting at home with nothing to do, cook some REAL food. It really doesn’t take that long. Also, this isn’t just true for frozen pizza. Look at any canned, or frozen stuff that should be perishable (refried beans, camp bells soup, frozen burritos, any frozen dinner, etc) and you’ll see how little consumption of the product it takes for you to reach the recommended amount of sodium. Hopefully all of you get off of eating processed SHIT everyday. I’m in the process right now, and while i’ll admit, it’s not easy but it’s something that needs to be taken out of my (or any other person’s) diet to keep a healthy heart, and to reduce the amount of toxins in your body which would lead to a healthier life.[/quote]
Wow! Great first T-Nation post.
This info would have been relevant… 8 months ago, the last time anyone posted in this thread.