Actually, I think ProfX was trying to imply I was slamming you down. Whatever. In reality, I was trying to refine a point, and I think we accomplished that.
[quote]trigwu wrote:
The magic number is usually 8% carbohydrate concentration.
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Thats almost exactly a liter (about 32 ounces) for a serving of Surge
Ya, Berardi has always suggested 1 liter of water for every 60g of powder during/post workout.
However, I think Surge is downright nasty that watered down so I usually mix Surge with around 24 oz of water (perfect taste) and then carry some plain water with me. Sip one and then sip the other.
Is this guy even reading this?
[quote]trigwu wrote:
Ya, Berardi has always suggested 1 liter of water for every 60g of powder during/post workout.
However, I think Surge is downright nasty that watered down so I usually mix Surge with around 24 oz of water (perfect taste) and then carry some plain water with me. Sip one and then sip the other.
Is this guy even reading this?[/quote]
Who me? The whole point is that drinking Surge during a workout DESTROYS the biological mechanism that lead to the development of Surge in the first place. Post workout feeding works because the workout creates an acute local glycogen depletion in muscles which greatly increases insulin sensitivity. If you drink Surge during a workout you never get short term local glycogen depletion and so you never get a prolific increase in insulin sensitivity!
Also, eating/consuming sugar during a workout has been shown to supress anabolic hormone secretion caused by intense exercise.
Actually you do get the glycogen depletion. Consuming carbohydrates during workout spares liver glycogen it does not spare muscle glycogen. The idea behind Surge is to replace muscle glycogen, yes, and that it will do. Muscle glycogen is depleted at the same rate even with carbohydrate ingestion. In fact carbohydrates consumed during workout are used for blood sugar level maintenance and not for working muscles. So in actuality, Surge during a workout would have a beneficial effect as you will still have the acute glycogen depletion.
And I also do it because the designer himself, John Berardi, has instructed me to consume Surge during trainning, as part of my monthly programs he sends me.
And I was referring to Zulu as he hasn’t seemed to have responded to our responses
What works best for me is a light meal two hours before lifting, water as needed during the workout, and then eating within a half hour or so after the workout.
[quote]trigwu wrote:
Actually you do get the glycogen depletion. Consuming carbohydrates during workout spares liver glycogen it does not spare muscle glycogen. [/quote]
Why not? Blood sugar can go directly into contracting muscle without insulin.
Just curious and I wanted to find an original article from Berardi on this.
Also, I remember Fred Hatfield believed that if you ingest anything during a workout, you block all of the GH produced by that workout. He even believed that post workout carbs should be put on hold for 30 minutes after a workout to prevent GH supression. Then again, we don’t hear much from him these days.
I’m not claiming to be an expert on this, but doesn’t GH do the important part of its work while you’re sleeping? It certainly isn’t growing you any muscles while you’re working out. Correct me if I’m wrong, because I might be misunderstanding this.
Have you read the Triple-Shot Roundtable? They (including Berardi) talk extensively about pre- and intra-workout (as well as post, obviously) intake of nutrients.
I usually drink a whey protein 40 min before, a bottle of Amino Vital during, and either creatine or a MRP shake after. Surge is some good stuff my friend. Very good.
Also, if the goal was to keep liver glycogen up (so that the post workout Surge would all go to the muscle) then why not use fructose during a workout as it can ONLY enter through the liver? I just don’t see how Surge during a workout would not go into contracting muscle and prevent short term glycogen depletion needed to get the post workout “surge”. If it blocks glucagon it would spare both liver and muscle glycogen the way I see it.
The GH produced is insignificant in the scheme of things (this is covered in the Thibaudeau audio). Hell, you can get a surge of GH from dropping a dumbbell on your foot (pain). Don’t know how the two compare in amount.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
Also, I remember Fred Hatfield believed that if you ingest anything during a workout, you block all of the GH produced by that workout. He even believed that post workout carbs should be put on hold for 30 minutes after a workout to prevent GH supression. Then again, we don’t hear much from him these days.[/quote]
[quote]lmjudek wrote:
Yeah, I usually munch away on a Big Mac while I’m training. [/quote]
Similarly, I super-set cable flyes with chicken nuggets - flyes for a MASSIVE chest and chicken nuggets for WINGS!
[quote]BFG wrote:
lmjudek wrote:
Yeah, I usually munch away on a Big Mac while I’m training.
Similarly, I super-set cable flyes with chicken nuggets - flyes for a MASSIVE chest and chicken nuggets for WINGS![/quote]
Dude, you are so gay. Chicken nuggets give you chicken legs; Red Bull gives you wings!
I typically will eat a bowl of oatmeal, a banana and have a protein shake when I get up at 6am. I am in the gym lifting by 6.40am. From what I have read here on this thread this is less than optimal. However I am a little pushed for time so eating 2 hours before I workout is not really an option.