I remember that at some point I saw on bodybuilding.com that someone posted some of Levrone’s diet advice there. The one where he says that he ate 6,000 cals a day, mostly protein.
People were saying that he was giving the worst possible advice and that no one should ever do that, or they would just end up a fat bastard.
Honestly, is it so hard to see the UNDERLYING ADVICE in something like this? Instead of noting how important calories and protein really are for recovery, they were bitching and screaming about how someone recommended them 6,000 calories.
BUT HE DID NOT. He simply said how many calories it took for him to see optimal results.
Now they way that what I just said ties in with the vid the OP posted, is that I think a lot of people look at this kind of stuff too straightforwardly, and think that if they want to look like a Pro, they need to eat exactly those amounts of foods and those types. Instead why don’t they look past that and see how the Pro’s value their food and what exactly they are eating for and WHY they choose to eat what they eat.
I have a feeling there are some out there who would take that aforementioned ‘eat 6,000 cals’ advice literally, even if they can gain fine at 3,000, and when they end up a fat bastard they will blame it on the Pro who gave them this advice (all the while screaming ‘Steroids! Don’t listen to anything those users say!’).
Eat protein and carbs in the amounts that are ideal for YOU, and don’t just blindly follow exactly what someone else said. IF you are not 300lbs, for God’s sake don’t eat like one.
(I am not saying that this kind of stuff applies to a lot of the people here, but I have seen it, and I just wanted to point this out and get it off of my chest)
And… what? Eat like the pros and look like one? Bollocks. 99% of the people here couldn’t look like a pro with twice the calories and twice the training, sleep or drugs they have.
Not ANYONE can do this, of the few that have the genetics, and i mean few, only a percentage of those have the disclipline and drive there to put those genes into a position where they may evole the person to look like coleman/Jay/Nasser/jackson whatever…
I think it ridicules the sport and our own endeavours to suggest ANYONE can achieve this level - this aint the presidency you know?! Even many of out best competing bodybuilders on this site have no chance of being a top level pro… pro’s i am sure some may be able, moody and prisoner i have alot of faith in, but many of us could never reach their level either! Could you Blake?! ;/
Joe
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Did I say anything about eat like this and you will look like the pro? You are an ass.
It was the title of the video segment!
I thought that some people would take some interesting perspective from some of the things said. That is all. I personally will be utilizing the idea of 4 days on my bulking diet and then having two meals on the 5th day that are what I want. I am currently working towards leaning out, and would like to make gains while not putting back on gobs of fat. The last time I bulked I went from 205 -225 and my strength and size increases where there, but so was my growing gut. I believe that much of that was due to food choices. It is very difficult and time consuming to prepare enough food to consume 4000-5000 cal a day and equally hard to ingest it form all clean food sources. However doing so will no doubt result in a better end physic then if I did it consuming 4000-5000 calories eating crap like fast food. 12 chicken breasts a day is only 2400 cal aprox., add eating a head of broccoli or a bag of spinach and it is not going to get you up to 4000-5000 either. Eating like the pros would be more of a challenge than most realize and I think that often people have not looked a calorie content or protein and actually know what amounts of those things they are consuming.
I am learning much of this at the moment and there is not a doubt in my mind that in 6 month I will be bigger and strong than I am now. I will never look like a Jay Cutler or Ronnie Colman as I am not able to afford their groceries, drugs, or training schedule.
Ask yourself why you took this as an opportunity to attack a complete stranger?
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Absolutely fair enough blake, there was no need at all. I did assume that was your point, and in the post i am replying to i see that is not the case in the slightest.
Also, something that i realised a while back now is that unless i am on a sloppy bulk, i dont eat for pleasure particularly - it is for the Protein and carb profile in that particular food, the GI it has, the Time of day it is eaten, the sugar in it, the protein etc… I mean why would i knowingly CHOOSE a dry, plain Chicken Breast? It isnt because it is delicious by any stretch of the imagination, it is simply because of the protein, fat and carb content.
Not convenience, Necessity.
Better? Sorry, i dont think i was paying attention.
Joe
This is what I got from the video as well. I have to give you props on your own endeavors you look solid. [/quote]
I dont understand… are you being sarcastic, or decent? If the latter thankyou. And you have shown character by saying so after what i wrote.
This is what I got from the video as well. I have to give you props on your own endeavors you look solid.
I dont understand… are you being sarcastic, or decent? If the latter thankyou. And you have shown character by saying so after what i wrote.
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I have no problem giving credit to people’s hard work despite my own personal issues with something they have said. None of that takes away from what you have acheived. And from your post about your food choices it sounds like you have worked hard to get where you are.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
anonym wrote:
Dirty_Bulk wrote:
This is very true. I see a lot of people who weigh 175 pounds taking in really huge amounts of calories and protein. I always wonder what they plan to be eating when they weigh 225 pounds.
? I’m sure they plan on eating even more when they get to 225 pounds.
You eat however much it takes to continue to put on weight. Some people simply need a shitload of calories.
But some people don’t. Don’t eat like the pros. Eat what YOU need to in order to make steady gains. It’s really common sense Common sense that sadly seems to be lacking in many. Some guys hear they need to eat big and inhale everything in sight and put on way more fat than muslce. Others hear they need to eat big but inexplicably still eat like a 15-yr old cheerleader and wonder why they’re not growing.
I honestly think that if they can’t figure that out on their own, this may not be the activity for them to be involved in.
No one had to tell me this, even as a rank newbie.
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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
anonym wrote:
Dirty_Bulk wrote:
This is very true. I see a lot of people who weigh 175 pounds taking in really huge amounts of calories and protein. I always wonder what they plan to be eating when they weigh 225 pounds.
? I’m sure they plan on eating even more when they get to 225 pounds.
You eat however much it takes to continue to put on weight. Some people simply need a shitload of calories.
But some people don’t. Don’t eat like the pros. Eat what YOU need to in order to make steady gains. It’s really common sense Common sense that sadly seems to be lacking in many. Some guys hear they need to eat big and inhale everything in sight and put on way more fat than muslce. Others hear they need to eat big but inexplicably still eat like a 15-yr old cheerleader and wonder why they’re not growing.
The thing is though JS, if you listen to what they say in that first video (beyond the product endorsements), they aren’t telling people to just throw caution to the wind or eat the same number of calories that they are. Their advice is solid, regardless of if someone is a beginner or aspiring pro.[/quote]
I guess so. But I still think it will be taken the wrong way by many. People who will eat a level of calories better suited to those with 75 lbs more lean mass. I guess it’s what Professor X said. I think some people just must not have the common sense or intelligence to bodybuild. And it’s not exactly rocket science. So, it must carry over to the rest of their lives. I do think it takes some time to really know your own body and find the sweet spot.
It took me awhile to find the level of calories and macro nutrient breakdown to really have solid gains while minimizing fat gains. But even as a newbie, I didn’t just eat mindlessly without paying attention to my body and making adjustments accordingly. But that seems to be what too many do. Either consuming too much for months on end and adding unecessary amounts of fat. Or eating too little and making no progress for months without maing any adjustments.
I guess so. But I still think it will be taken the wrong way by many. People who will eat a level of calories better suited to those with 75 lbs more lean mass. I guess it’s what Professor X said. I think some people just must not have the common sense or intelligence to bodybuild. And it’s not exactly rocket science. So, it must carry over to the rest of their lives. I do think it takes some time to really know your own body and find the sweet spot.
It took me awhile to find the level of calories and macro nutrient breakdown to really have solid gains while minimizing fat gains. But even as a newbie, I didn’t just eat mindlessly without paying attention to my body and making adjustments accordingly. But that seems to be what too many do. Either consuming too much for months on end and adding unecessary amounts of fat. Or eating too little and making no progress for months without maing any adjustments.[/quote]
a lot of people have ADD or something because no where in that video did anyone mention a calorie amount that they eat themselves or that anyone else should eat.
I loved it when one of the guys said he’d eat at fast food if he had to, just get extra lettuce and no bun or something and that other guy with the traps was like “Oh yeah, I’ll eat it, that stuff’s good.”
And… what? Eat like the pros and look like one? Bollocks. 99% of the people here couldn’t look like a pro with twice the calories and twice the training, sleep or drugs they have.
Not ANYONE can do this, of the few that have the genetics, and i mean few, only a percentage of those have the disclipline and drive there to put those genes into a position where they may evole the person to look like coleman/Jay/Nasser/jackson whatever…
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ditto
This is the biggest thing the general public is not aware of it that a supplement, pro hormones or even the “evil” anabolic steroids will and I mean will NOT Guarantee you shit. Some will take them right and eat well and train like a beast and gain a modest amount of muscle; and the muscle they gain is not always the most appealing in shape and proportion…
The vast amount of the rest who fish off the anabolic pier do so fucked up in any number of ways too many to discuss here and not in the steroids section…
To look like a bodybuilder you need it all with genetics first then training/diet then drug usage and a host of other nuances to not only look like a Pro but actually become one…
Even to barely resemble any type of bodybuilder is hard… it has taken the best part of 10 years for me to get that, and it is only scratching the surface of what i WANT to achieve.
Yeah… the training, dedication, preseverance, food, food, less food, more food, the nutrition (!) - and whatever genetics deem your growth will be or shape will be or look will be (please not paco… please…!)…
While my rant was mis-directed, i stand by it as valid. Just not at blake! lol
You see alot of lads who have used steroids and still cycle and still look like shit… they want to inject something that will give them “the body” if they train hard and stupid 3x a week and dont eat well, and drink too much and smoke too much and do coke on the w/ends etc… More twats use steroids and get little than - do use them and look like bodybuilders i bet!! lol!
[quote]conorh wrote:
I loved it when one of the guys said he’d eat at fast food if he had to, just get extra lettuce and no bun or something and that other guy with the traps was like “Oh yeah, I’ll eat it, that stuff’s good.”
milk and dbol! Lol. My two centavos on the subject: You can’t eat like the pros because you’re not on their scale and many will never be. Eat like a pro on your scale.
I’ve only met 3 pro bodybuilders, Jay Cutler, Ronnie Coleman and Vince Taylor. All have come to my home town for autograph signings. I asked each of them their biggest weight gaining tips. The only one who touched on steroids was Vince Taylor when he said a lot of guys can get huge without them, they just need more consistency.
The tips I got were as follows. Ronnie said to eat as much meat and potatoes as possible. Dont worry about sauces, just add as much as I wanted to, to down that food. Jay said to add honey to my meals and olive oil to my shakes. Vince said to eat cheese burgers.
None of them said to eat exactly like them. Each of them just gave me tips on how to add mass. Things they’ve used in the past to add mass. What I took from that was, I didnt need to be dogmatic or obsessive about what I ate.
But, that I could apply these tips like they recommended and it would work. Vince also encouraged me to use more dumbells in my training. These were all excellent tips that I use to this day.
I have never heard of one pro that has EVER told someone to eat exactly as they do. BUT, they do recommend you follow their advice and tips and their fundamentals on dieting. I mean, they wouldnt be saying anything about their diet if it werent for people always asking them about it.
EDIT: To summarize, if you want to look like a pro bodybuilder, then you need to eat “like” them. Just not “exactly” like them. This isnt complicated.
[quote]jdrannin1 wrote:
I’ve only met 3 pro bodybuilders, Jay Cutler, Ronnie Coleman and Vince Taylor. All have come to my home town for autograph signings. I asked each of them their biggest weight gaining tips. The only one who touched on steroids was Vince Taylor when he said a lot of guys can get huge without them, they just need more consistency.
The tips I got were as follows. Ronnie said to eat as much meat and potatoes as possible. Dont worry about sauces, just add as much as I wanted to, to down that food. Jay said to add honey to my meals and olive oil to my shakes. Vince said to eat cheese burgers.
None of them said to eat exactly like them. Each of them just gave me tips on how to add mass. Things they’ve used in the past to add mass. What I took from that was, I didnt need to be dogmatic or obsessive about what I ate. But, that I could apply these tips like they recommended and it would work. Vince also encouraged me to use more dumbells in my training. These were all excellent tips that I use to this day.
I have never heard of one pro that has EVER told someone to eat exactly as they do. BUT, they do recommend you follow their advice and tips and their fundamentals on dieting. I mean, they wouldnt be saying anything about their diet if it werent for people always asking them about it. [/quote]
THe best (and simplest) dietary advice I ever got was from Mike Francious WAY back in the day. I was tipping the scales at a whopping 175 lbs at the time (up from 150! -lol), and he said that if I wanted to weigh 200 lbs, I had to eat like a 200 pounder. Simple, and straight to the point.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
THe best (and simplest) dietary advice I ever got was from Mike Francious WAY back in the day. I was tipping the scales at a whopping 175 lbs at the time (up from 150! -lol), and he said that if I wanted to weigh 200 lbs, I had to eat like a 200 pounder. Simple, and straight to the point.
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Some people just have a hard time thinking for themselves. This is why I hate it when someone asks me how much I eat when gaining. I know from experience that if I do actually list out how I eat, someone is going to pull that post up later and try to claim I was telling a newbie to eat just like me.
One thing agreed on is that you won’t be filling out too many XXL shirts with muscle by eating like a 140lbs woman. Chicken breasts and rice is great for someone dieting down (and then only if they don’t need more calories than that), but there won’t be too many people impressing others with their level of muscle mass by only eating that way.
