If all land was privately held in the United States, you can bet your ass the landowners would have crews of Mexicans working that land.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
- They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
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Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]
Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.
I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work. [/quote]
Yeah we won’t survive without illegal immigrant house cleaning ladies and lawn mowers… c’mon. With minimum wage in California going up to $10/hr there will be plenty of entry level workers willing to fill those positions. There are more than enough unemployed here.
EDIT: Question: are you okay with companies in America bypassing the minimum wage requirements by hiring illegal immigrants for significantly less than a liveable wage so they can keep a bit more of the profits? I don’t understand how on one hand some are screaming that a burger flipper only makes $8/hr but on the other hand are against using E-Verify and punishing employers for hiring illegals for shit wages.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
- They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
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Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]
Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.
I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work. [/quote]
Yeah we won’t survive without illegal immigrant house cleaning ladies and lawn mowers… c’mon. With minimum wage in California going up to $10/hr there will be plenty of entry level workers willing to fill those positions. There are more than enough unemployed here. [/quote]
You’re leaving out the other side of the equation. Why would the farmer pay an American slacker minimum wage when he can three illegals to do the job for the same money? Are you prepared to pay Whole Foods prices for Safeway produce because it was picked by legal American hands?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
If all land was privately held in the United States, you can bet your ass the landowners would have crews of Mexicans working that land. [/quote]
A win/win or win/win/win situation. They would have to either live on the land on which they work, pay someone for the privilege of living on their land, or purchase their own land.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
- They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
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Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]
Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.
I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work. [/quote]
Yeah we won’t survive without illegal immigrant house cleaning ladies and lawn mowers… c’mon. With minimum wage in California going up to $10/hr there will be plenty of entry level workers willing to fill those positions. There are more than enough unemployed here. [/quote]
You’re leaving out the other side of the equation. Why would the farmer pay an American slacker minimum wage when he can three illegals to do the job for the same money? Are you prepared to pay Whole Foods prices for Safeway produce because it was picked by legal American hands?[/quote]
Are you okay with the farmer or other employers for bypassing the minimum wage requirements and hiring illegals for shit wages??
Illegal immigrant labor is not the backbone of our society… sorry.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
- They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
[/quote]
Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]
Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.
I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work. [/quote]
Yeah we won’t survive without illegal immigrant house cleaning ladies and lawn mowers… c’mon. With minimum wage in California going up to $10/hr there will be plenty of entry level workers willing to fill those positions. There are more than enough unemployed here. [/quote]
You’re leaving out the other side of the equation. Why would the farmer pay an American slacker minimum wage when he can three illegals to do the job for the same money? Are you prepared to pay Whole Foods prices for Safeway produce because it was picked by legal American hands?[/quote]
Are you okay with the farmer or other employers for bypassing the minimum wage requirements and hiring illegals for shit wages??[/quote]
I know this question is not for me, but I’m not okay with a minimum wage. Those “shit wages” are not “shit wages” if someone is willing to work for them.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
- They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
[/quote]
Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]
Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.
I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work. [/quote]
Yeah we won’t survive without illegal immigrant house cleaning ladies and lawn mowers… c’mon. With minimum wage in California going up to $10/hr there will be plenty of entry level workers willing to fill those positions. There are more than enough unemployed here. [/quote]
You’re leaving out the other side of the equation. Why would the farmer pay an American slacker minimum wage when he can three illegals to do the job for the same money? Are you prepared to pay Whole Foods prices for Safeway produce because it was picked by legal American hands?[/quote]
Are you okay with the farmer or other employers for bypassing the minimum wage requirements and hiring illegals for shit wages??[/quote]
Sure. If they are willing to work for that wage, why not? There is a demand for their labor, they are willing to supply this demand, at great risk to themselves. A mutually beneficial commercial transaction. The very essence of capitalism in a free society. Why the fuck not?
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
- They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
[/quote]
Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]
Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.
I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work. [/quote]
Yeah we won’t survive without illegal immigrant house cleaning ladies and lawn mowers… c’mon. With minimum wage in California going up to $10/hr there will be plenty of entry level workers willing to fill those positions. There are more than enough unemployed here. [/quote]
You’re leaving out the other side of the equation. Why would the farmer pay an American slacker minimum wage when he can three illegals to do the job for the same money? Are you prepared to pay Whole Foods prices for Safeway produce because it was picked by legal American hands?[/quote]
Are you okay with the farmer or other employers for bypassing the minimum wage requirements and hiring illegals for shit wages??[/quote]
I know this question is not for me, but I’m not okay with a minimum wage. Those “shit wages” are not “shit wages” if someone is willing to work for them.[/quote]
God dammit, Nick, you beat me to it. Haha!
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
- They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
[/quote]
Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]
Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.
I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work. [/quote]
Yeah we won’t survive without illegal immigrant house cleaning ladies and lawn mowers… c’mon. With minimum wage in California going up to $10/hr there will be plenty of entry level workers willing to fill those positions. There are more than enough unemployed here. [/quote]
You’re leaving out the other side of the equation. Why would the farmer pay an American slacker minimum wage when he can three illegals to do the job for the same money? Are you prepared to pay Whole Foods prices for Safeway produce because it was picked by legal American hands?[/quote]
Are you okay with the farmer or other employers for bypassing the minimum wage requirements and hiring illegals for shit wages??[/quote]
Sure. If they are willing to work for that wage, why not? There is a demand for their labor, they are willing to supply this demand, at great risk to themselves. A mutually beneficial commercial transaction. The very essence of capitalism in a free society. Why the fuck not?[/quote]
Because the unemployment rate is nearly 9% in CA? Because they aren’t paying income taxes on those wages? Because it incentivizes illegal immigration? Really?
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
- They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
[/quote]
Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]
Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.
I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work. [/quote]
Yeah we won’t survive without illegal immigrant house cleaning ladies and lawn mowers… c’mon. With minimum wage in California going up to $10/hr there will be plenty of entry level workers willing to fill those positions. There are more than enough unemployed here. [/quote]
You’re leaving out the other side of the equation. Why would the farmer pay an American slacker minimum wage when he can three illegals to do the job for the same money? Are you prepared to pay Whole Foods prices for Safeway produce because it was picked by legal American hands?[/quote]
Are you okay with the farmer or other employers for bypassing the minimum wage requirements and hiring illegals for shit wages??[/quote]
Sure. If they are willing to work for that wage, why not? There is a demand for their labor, they are willing to supply this demand, at great risk to themselves. A mutually beneficial commercial transaction. The very essence of capitalism in a free society. Why the fuck not?[/quote]
Because the unemployment rate is nearly 9% in CA? Because they aren’t paying income taxes on those wages? Because it incentivizes illegal immigration? Really?[/quote]
Again, illegal immigrants do jobs that entitled Americans don’t want to do at wages that entitled Americans would turn their noses up at. They keep prices down at the grocery store, and the taxes they do pay are greater than the taxes they don’t. Don’t like the system? Get yourself elected to the legislature and change the laws. But while you’re at it, change the welfare laws so that it is actually more profitable to take a minimum wage job than it is sitting at home watching football on a state-subsidized TV while munching on EBT pizza and swilling EBT cola. But in the meantime, how about not begrudging the folks who want to work a license so that they can actually drive to work.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
- They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
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Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]
Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.
I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work. [/quote]
Yeah we won’t survive without illegal immigrant house cleaning ladies and lawn mowers… c’mon. With minimum wage in California going up to $10/hr there will be plenty of entry level workers willing to fill those positions. There are more than enough unemployed here. [/quote]
You’re leaving out the other side of the equation. Why would the farmer pay an American slacker minimum wage when he can three illegals to do the job for the same money? Are you prepared to pay Whole Foods prices for Safeway produce because it was picked by legal American hands?[/quote]
Are you okay with the farmer or other employers for bypassing the minimum wage requirements and hiring illegals for shit wages??[/quote]
Sure. If they are willing to work for that wage, why not? There is a demand for their labor, they are willing to supply this demand, at great risk to themselves. A mutually beneficial commercial transaction. The very essence of capitalism in a free society. Why the fuck not?[/quote]
Because the unemployment rate is nearly 9% in CA? Because they aren’t paying income taxes on those wages? Because it incentivizes illegal immigration? Really?[/quote]
Again, illegal immigrants do jobs that entitled Americans don’t want to do at wages that entitled Americans would turn their noses up at. They keep prices down at the grocery store, and the taxes they do pay are greater than the taxes they don’t. Don’t like the system? Get yourself elected to the legislature and change the laws. But while you’re at it, change the welfare laws so that it is actually more profitable to take a minimum wage job than it is sitting at home watching football on a state-subsidized TV while munching on EBT pizza and swilling EBT cola. But in the meantime, how about not begrudging the folks who want to work a license so that they can actually drive to work.[/quote]
I could not agree more on the issue of welfare/unemployment. It is a huge flaw in our system that unemployment pays the same as minimum wage or more. Why work 40 hrs/week for the same amount you can sit on your ass for? This needs fixed. But in large part the same people that approve of giving illegals a license also support these welfare and unemployment benefits. Do you think giving jobs to illegals and not punishing employers for doing that fixes the welfare problem?
Why stop at giving illegal immigrants the right to drive to their illegal place of work legally? Should they get unemployment benefits from their illegal place of work too? Should they be able to legally drive to the voting booth so they can illegally vote?
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[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
- They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
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Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]
Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.
I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work. [/quote]
Yeah we won’t survive without illegal immigrant house cleaning ladies and lawn mowers… c’mon. With minimum wage in California going up to $10/hr there will be plenty of entry level workers willing to fill those positions. There are more than enough unemployed here. [/quote]
You’re leaving out the other side of the equation. Why would the farmer pay an American slacker minimum wage when he can three illegals to do the job for the same money? Are you prepared to pay Whole Foods prices for Safeway produce because it was picked by legal American hands?[/quote]
Are you okay with the farmer or other employers for bypassing the minimum wage requirements and hiring illegals for shit wages??[/quote]
I know this question is not for me, but I’m not okay with a minimum wage. Those “shit wages” are not “shit wages” if someone is willing to work for them.[/quote]
Don’t misunderstand that I agree with a minimum wage. However, it is the law. That being said, are you okay with employers bypassing that law and giving jobs to illegals so they can increase profits and be more competitive than employers that are following the law?
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I could not agree more on the issue of welfare/unemployment. It is a huge flaw in our system that unemployment pays the same as minimum wage or more. Why work 40 hrs/week for the same amount you can sit on your ass for? This needs fixed. But in large part the same people that approve of giving illegals a license also support these welfare and unemployment benefits. Do you think giving jobs to illegals and not punishing employers for doing that fixes the welfare problem?[/quote]
Well, i’m not particularly against licensing illegal immigrants to drive, and yet I am against rhe welfare state. I can understand how confusing this must be. 
But the way I see it, every illegal immigrant with a job is an illegal immigrant who is unlikely to be on welfare. So they might not be the solution, but at least they’re not part of that particular problem.
How 'bout giving them work visas?
Not “green cards”, not permanent residency, just give them 2-year work visas, institute a “non-resident work status” that would allow them to work at the same wages as before (which would be lower than the minimum wage for citizens and permanent residents), and decriminalize the whole institution. State gets their income taxes, fed gov gets their income taxes, no SSI tax because they aren’t residents. Withhold Medicare but that’s the only medical care they get provided for them. Anything above that is out of pocket private insurance. Obviously they would be eligible for driver’s licenses, but not to vote.
Got a better idea?
Put a proposition together and put it on the ballot. See if it’ll fly.
Good article that touches on immigration… "Human Rights" as Property Rights | Mises Institute
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
How 'bout giving them work visas?
Not “green cards”, not permanent residency, just give them 2-year work visas, institute a “non-resident work status” that would allow them to work at the same wages as before (which would be lower than the minimum wage for citizens and permanent residents), and decriminalize the whole institution. State gets their income taxes, fed gov gets their income taxes, no SSI tax because they aren’t residents. Withhold Medicare but that’s the only medical care they get provided for them. Anything above that is out of pocket private insurance. Obviously they would be eligible for driver’s licenses, but not to vote.
Got a better idea?
Put a proposition together and put it on the ballot. See if it’ll fly.
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I’m okay with a lot of this. The “non-resident” wage will be an issue though. I think you have to give them minimum wage or get rid of the minimum wage altogether. Much better than just ignoring that they are working here illegally because they are paying sales tax though. Getting them working here legally should be the priority, not the drivers license. Why the state is more concerned with getting them to drive legally before getting them to work legally is putting the cart before the horse.
I would be opposed , supply and demand would dictate too much competition in the lower wage categories , further devaluing basic labor prices . That is why minimum wage is important.
I will go out on the limb and say I think there will be a huge immigration amnesty in our near future . It will be the Democrats that sell out to money this round
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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
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They are fleeing a despotic regime in which corruption is rife, extrajucial killings by police are commonplace, gang violence is out of control, drug lords rule unchecked, and the filth and squalor of their living conditions are so unbearable that even South-Central Los Angeles seems good by comparison.
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They have a community of people who share their culture, speak their language, may even be blood relatives, and have integrated into American society enough so that they will be able to assist the newcomers with their new lives.
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They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
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They know that there is a well-established financial mechanism in place, whereby they may export a portion of their earnings back home to support their extended families.
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They know that if they so choose, they may take advantage of the myriad legal pathways to amnesty, work permits, and naturalization offered by the federal government.
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They know that even if they are caught and sent back across the border, it’s not that hard to make it back.
I’m sure I could think of some more. These are just off the top of my head. [/quote]
How do the Japanese deal with immigration?
That would seem to be a more accurate application to your everyday life…correct?[/quote]
My everyday life here in California?
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Sorry, thought you were still living over there.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
- They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.
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Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]
Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.
I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work. [/quote]
Yeah we won’t survive without illegal immigrant house cleaning ladies and lawn mowers… c’mon. With minimum wage in California going up to $10/hr there will be plenty of entry level workers willing to fill those positions. There are more than enough unemployed here. [/quote]
You’re leaving out the other side of the equation. Why would the farmer pay an American slacker minimum wage when he can three illegals to do the job for the same money? Are you prepared to pay Whole Foods prices for Safeway produce because it was picked by legal American hands?[/quote]
Are you okay with the farmer or other employers for bypassing the minimum wage requirements and hiring illegals for shit wages??[/quote]
Sure. If they are willing to work for that wage, why not? There is a demand for their labor, they are willing to supply this demand, at great risk to themselves. A mutually beneficial commercial transaction. The very essence of capitalism in a free society. Why the fuck not?[/quote]
Because the unemployment rate is nearly 9% in CA? Because they aren’t paying income taxes on those wages? Because it incentivizes illegal immigration? Really?[/quote]
It’s much higher than that, since it doesn’t count the people who stopped looking for work, and who are underemployed.
Take a look at the California Underground Economy…
“Employers who pay their workers cash under the table to avoid payroll taxes, workers’ compensation insurance and other government mandates are costing California about $7 billion annually in lost tax revenue and undercutting companies that play by the rules, state officials say.”