Drivers License for Illegal Immigrants

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
I should talk about solving problems with bullets more often. It weeds out the pussies, apparently. [/quote]
No, it only highlights your cowardice. [/quote]

Cool story bro. Enjoy your run-away gang violence.[/quote]

That’s easy to say when all of about 9 people live in Canada.[/quote]

It’s even easier to say when mexicans, the people you’re trying to make the path to citizenship easier for, are 19x more likely than whites to be in a gang.

http://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime/[/quote]
What race are Mexicans? How many terrorists have come to the US via Canada? [/quote]

Make way for the Dildo King.[/quote]
Are those Canadian plates? [/quote]

You tell me, it’s your car.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
I should talk about solving problems with bullets more often. It weeds out the pussies, apparently. [/quote]
No, it only highlights your cowardice. [/quote]

Cool story bro. Enjoy your run-away gang violence.[/quote]

That’s easy to say when all of about 9 people live in Canada.[/quote]

It’s even easier to say when mexicans, the people you’re trying to make the path to citizenship easier for, are 19x more likely than whites to be in a gang.

http://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime/[/quote]
What race are Mexicans? How many terrorists have come to the US via Canada? [/quote]

Make way for the Dildo King.[/quote]
Are those Canadian plates? [/quote]

You tell me, it’s your car.
[/quote]
Congratulations on getting around the parental controls on your computer so you could Google that pic.

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German, actually.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
All of which pale in comparison to income taxes.[/quote]

Not really. Individual and corporate income taxes account for about 17 percent of state revenue, compared to 46 percent from sales tax, license fees, gasoline tax and other taxes, which illegal immigrants would pay by virtue of their being members of the economy.

California collected 55 billion dollars in personal income tax revenue for fiscal 2012, and paid 60 billion in welfare benefits. And you don’t see a connection? We’re never going to “do away” with either welfare or illegal immigration in California without some really draconian measures, but I’d say that the illegal immigrant driver’s license issue is a tiny drop in an incredibly leaky bucket. [/quote]

I have to agree, illegal immigration and welfare both have taxes in common. But this is more than just taxes. California is making an effort to ensure that ILLEGAL immigrants can LEGALLY function here. Someone tell me how this makes sense.[/quote]

A stream runs onto your land.

Do you: build a wall to keep it out? No matter how high or strong you build the wall, you will not keep the water out.

Try to divert the stream so that it flows somewhere else? An expensive undertaking, and where else is it going to go? Someone else’s land.

Go out and curse at the stream, maybe shoot at it in hopes that it will discourage the stream from flowing in anymore? Yeah. Good luck with that.

How about build a dam, and a pond, with a small mill and micro-hydroelectric plant on it.

Sure, it doesn’t prevent the stream from getting onto your land, but at least now the stream is doing something productive for you, rather than being a pain on your ass.

Same thing.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
All of which pale in comparison to income taxes.[/quote]

Not really. Individual and corporate income taxes account for about 17 percent of state revenue, compared to 46 percent from sales tax, license fees, gasoline tax and other taxes, which illegal immigrants would pay by virtue of their being members of the economy.

California collected 55 billion dollars in personal income tax revenue for fiscal 2012, and paid 60 billion in welfare benefits. And you don’t see a connection? We’re never going to “do away” with either welfare or illegal immigration in California without some really draconian measures, but I’d say that the illegal immigrant driver’s license issue is a tiny drop in an incredibly leaky bucket. [/quote]

I have to agree, illegal immigration and welfare both have taxes in common. But this is more than just taxes. California is making an effort to ensure that ILLEGAL immigrants can LEGALLY function here. Someone tell me how this makes sense.[/quote]

A stream runs onto your land.

Do you: build a wall to keep it out? No matter how high or strong you build the wall, you will not keep the water out.

Try to divert the stream so that it flows somewhere else? An expensive undertaking, and where else is it going to go? Someone else’s land.

Go out and curse at the stream, maybe shoot at it in hopes that it will discourage the stream from flowing in anymore? Yeah. Good luck with that.

How about build a dam, and a pond, with a small mill and micro-hydroelectric plant on it.

Sure, it doesn’t prevent the stream from getting onto your land, but at least now the stream is doing something productive for you, rather than being a pain on your ass.

Same thing.
[/quote]

Well I certainly wouldn’t dig a decline so the stream turns into a river.

Illegal immigration is a problem. Giving people that are here illegally the ability to legally function here does nothing to deter the problem and everything to incentivize it.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

Can we agree atleast that wanting the government to kill people is wrong, evil and discusting?

Never thought I had to argue with a bunch of people for expressing some healthy human sentiments.

[/quote]

I first came here to make fun of whinebox crybabies who were left wondering “whaaa happened” after boisterously prognosticating a W for Willard…it was mostly in good fun (I enjoyed it anyway lol) But over the past year, it has dawned on me that the people who log onto here and post are in need of medical attention. Good thing Obamacare covers pre-existing conditions…
[/quote]

I hope Florious come back , it is funny that some see it as running off some one that has a differing point of view is some how a good thing I find the ones that dish it out have the hardest time taking it .

I am curious what most people do on this board because it is not to discuss a subject unless you some how agree :slight_smile:

This board is full of wanna be big minded people that are overwhelmed by their own self importance and take them selves way too seriously

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The Mega So Called Conservative Society on T Nation PWI

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

Can we agree atleast that wanting the government to kill people is wrong, evil and discusting?

Never thought I had to argue with a bunch of people for expressing some healthy human sentiments.

[/quote]

I first came here to make fun of whinebox crybabies who were left wondering “whaaa happened” after boisterously prognosticating a W for Willard…it was mostly in good fun (I enjoyed it anyway lol) But over the past year, it has dawned on me that the people who log onto here and post are in need of medical attention. Good thing Obamacare covers pre-existing conditions…
[/quote]

I hope Florious come back , it is funny that some see it as running off some one that has a differing point of view is some how a good thing I find the ones that dish it out have the hardest time taking it .

I am curious what most people do on this board because it is not to discuss a subject unless you some how agree :slight_smile:

This board is full of wanna be big minded people that are overwhelmed by their own self importance and take them selves way too seriously [/quote]

I leave it to you to provide me my RDA of smiley faces.

I know when I’ve have a bad day, and come home all :((( … I know my Pitt will be like :))))

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The fact remains that there is a finite amount of resources in the U.S.

We are broke.

Why should we pay for health care, child care, education ect. of people who are not citizens and who are here illegally?

If the bank is broke, why keep printing money to give away to citizens of other countries?

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
All of which pale in comparison to income taxes.[/quote]

Not really. Individual and corporate income taxes account for about 17 percent of state revenue, compared to 46 percent from sales tax, license fees, gasoline tax and other taxes, which illegal immigrants would pay by virtue of their being members of the economy.

California collected 55 billion dollars in personal income tax revenue for fiscal 2012, and paid 60 billion in welfare benefits. And you don’t see a connection? We’re never going to “do away” with either welfare or illegal immigration in California without some really draconian measures, but I’d say that the illegal immigrant driver’s license issue is a tiny drop in an incredibly leaky bucket. [/quote]

I have to agree, illegal immigration and welfare both have taxes in common. But this is more than just taxes. California is making an effort to ensure that ILLEGAL immigrants can LEGALLY function here. Someone tell me how this makes sense.[/quote]

A stream runs onto your land.

Do you: build a wall to keep it out? No matter how high or strong you build the wall, you will not keep the water out.

Try to divert the stream so that it flows somewhere else? An expensive undertaking, and where else is it going to go? Someone else’s land.

Go out and curse at the stream, maybe shoot at it in hopes that it will discourage the stream from flowing in anymore? Yeah. Good luck with that.

How about build a dam, and a pond, with a small mill and micro-hydroelectric plant on it.

Sure, it doesn’t prevent the stream from getting onto your land, but at least now the stream is doing something productive for you, rather than being a pain on your ass.

Same thing.
[/quote]

Well I certainly wouldn’t dig a decline so the stream turns into a river.

Illegal immigration is a problem. Giving people that are here illegally the ability to legally function here does nothing to deter the problem and everything to incentivize it. [/quote]

Okay, so you wouldn’t liberalize the immigration process (dig a decline) that much I have been able to deduce from your posts.

What solution do you propose, since building a wall (the border fence), hiring guys with buckets to bail the water back upstream (deport the illegals), and cussing and shooting at the water (griping about the damn wetbacks and forming citizen militia to meet them with force) seems all but ineffective at stemming the flow?

No, really. If 866 miles of the most heavily guarded and fortified border in history couldn’t keep a steady stream of East Germans from illegally emigrating, what could this country do, with a southern border two and a quarter times longer, with eastern and western borders on two oceans, and another border to the north that is the longest international frontier in the world?

Any real, practical ideas? Or just “we gotta DO something!” ?

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  1. They are fleeing a despotic regime in which corruption is rife, extrajucial killings by police are commonplace, gang violence is out of control, drug lords rule unchecked, and the filth and squalor of their living conditions are so unbearable that even South-Central Los Angeles seems good by comparison.

  2. They have a community of people who share their culture, speak their language, may even be blood relatives, and have integrated into American society enough so that they will be able to assist the newcomers with their new lives.

  3. They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.

  4. They know that there is a well-established financial mechanism in place, whereby they may export a portion of their earnings back home to support their extended families.

  5. They know that if they so choose, they may take advantage of the myriad legal pathways to amnesty, work permits, and naturalization offered by the federal government.

  6. They know that even if they are caught and sent back across the border, it’s not that hard to make it back.

I’m sure I could think of some more. These are just off the top of my head.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

  1. They are fleeing a despotic regime in which corruption is rife, extrajucial killings by police are commonplace, gang violence is out of control, drug lords rule unchecked, and the filth and squalor of their living conditions are so unbearable that even South-Central Los Angeles seems good by comparison.

  2. They have a community of people who share their culture, speak their language, may even be blood relatives, and have integrated into American society enough so that they will be able to assist the newcomers with their new lives.

  3. They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.

  4. They know that there is a well-established financial mechanism in place, whereby they may export a portion of their earnings back home to support their extended families.

  5. They know that if they so choose, they may take advantage of the myriad legal pathways to amnesty, work permits, and naturalization offered by the federal government.

  6. They know that even if they are caught and sent back across the border, it’s not that hard to make it back.

I’m sure I could think of some more. These are just off the top of my head. [/quote]

How do the Japanese deal with immigration?

That would seem to be a more accurate application to your everyday life…correct?

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

  1. They are fleeing a despotic regime in which corruption is rife, extrajucial killings by police are commonplace, gang violence is out of control, drug lords rule unchecked, and the filth and squalor of their living conditions are so unbearable that even South-Central Los Angeles seems good by comparison.

  2. They have a community of people who share their culture, speak their language, may even be blood relatives, and have integrated into American society enough so that they will be able to assist the newcomers with their new lives.

  3. They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.

  4. They know that there is a well-established financial mechanism in place, whereby they may export a portion of their earnings back home to support their extended families.

  5. They know that if they so choose, they may take advantage of the myriad legal pathways to amnesty, work permits, and naturalization offered by the federal government.

  6. They know that even if they are caught and sent back across the border, it’s not that hard to make it back.

I’m sure I could think of some more. These are just off the top of my head. [/quote]

How do the Japanese deal with immigration?

That would seem to be a more accurate application to your everyday life…correct?[/quote]

My everyday life here in California? Not sure how it would be more applicable, except that people come to Japan illegally from Iran, Nigeria, China and North Korea for many of the same reasons. Easier to keep people off a small island where 98 percent of the population is the same race, and whoch has a long history of hermeticism and distrust of foreigners, than it is to keep them off a continent where all races, cultures and languages intermingle, with a big fucking copper statue inviting everybody to come on in.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

Can we agree atleast that wanting the government to kill people is wrong, evil and discusting?

Never thought I had to argue with a bunch of people for expressing some healthy human sentiments.

[/quote]

I first came here to make fun of whinebox crybabies who were left wondering “whaaa happened” after boisterously prognosticating a W for Willard…it was mostly in good fun (I enjoyed it anyway lol) But over the past year, it has dawned on me that the people who log onto here and post are in need of medical attention. Good thing Obamacare covers pre-existing conditions…
[/quote]

I hope Florious come back , it is funny that some see it as running off some one that has a differing point of view is some how a good thing I find the ones that dish it out have the hardest time taking it .

I am curious what most people do on this board because it is not to discuss a subject unless you some how agree :slight_smile:

This board is full of wanna be big minded people that are overwhelmed by their own self importance and take them selves way too seriously [/quote]

I leave it to you to provide me my RDA of smiley faces.

I know when I’ve have a bad day, and come home all :((( … I know my Pitt will be like :))))[/quote]

well golly jee, I am fuckin honored :slight_smile:

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
I should talk about solving problems with bullets more often. It weeds out the pussies, apparently. [/quote]
No, it only highlights your cowardice. [/quote]

Cool story bro. Enjoy your run-away gang violence.[/quote]

That’s easy to say when all of about 9 people live in Canada.[/quote]

It’s even easier to say when mexicans, the people you’re trying to make the path to citizenship easier for, are 19x more likely than whites to be in a gang.

http://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime/[/quote]
What race are Mexicans? How many terrorists have come to the US via Canada? [/quote]

Make way for the Dildo King.[/quote]
Are those Canadian plates? [/quote]

You tell me, it’s your car.
[/quote]
Congratulations on getting around the parental controls on your computer so you could Google that pic. [/quote]

Shit, he flipped my insult on me. I know, I’ll throw out a new insult as though it’s my first attempt, and hopefully no-one will notice that I totally abandoned my actual first attempt.

Shit like this is why you’re the Dildo King.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
All of which pale in comparison to income taxes.[/quote]

Not really. Individual and corporate income taxes account for about 17 percent of state revenue, compared to 46 percent from sales tax, license fees, gasoline tax and other taxes, which illegal immigrants would pay by virtue of their being members of the economy.

California collected 55 billion dollars in personal income tax revenue for fiscal 2012, and paid 60 billion in welfare benefits. And you don’t see a connection? We’re never going to “do away” with either welfare or illegal immigration in California without some really draconian measures, but I’d say that the illegal immigrant driver’s license issue is a tiny drop in an incredibly leaky bucket. [/quote]

I have to agree, illegal immigration and welfare both have taxes in common. But this is more than just taxes. California is making an effort to ensure that ILLEGAL immigrants can LEGALLY function here. Someone tell me how this makes sense.[/quote]

A stream runs onto your land.

Do you: build a wall to keep it out? No matter how high or strong you build the wall, you will not keep the water out.

Try to divert the stream so that it flows somewhere else? An expensive undertaking, and where else is it going to go? Someone else’s land.

Go out and curse at the stream, maybe shoot at it in hopes that it will discourage the stream from flowing in anymore? Yeah. Good luck with that.

How about build a dam, and a pond, with a small mill and micro-hydroelectric plant on it.

Sure, it doesn’t prevent the stream from getting onto your land, but at least now the stream is doing something productive for you, rather than being a pain on your ass.

Same thing.
[/quote]

Well I certainly wouldn’t dig a decline so the stream turns into a river.

Illegal immigration is a problem. Giving people that are here illegally the ability to legally function here does nothing to deter the problem and everything to incentivize it. [/quote]

Okay, so you wouldn’t liberalize the immigration process (dig a decline) that much I have been able to deduce from your posts.

What solution do you propose, since building a wall (the border fence), hiring guys with buckets to bail the water back upstream (deport the illegals), and cussing and shooting at the water (griping about the damn wetbacks and forming citizen militia to meet them with force) seems all but ineffective at stemming the flow?

No, really. If 866 miles of the most heavily guarded and fortified border in history couldn’t keep a steady stream of East Germans from illegally emigrating, what could this country do, with a southern border two and a quarter times longer, with eastern and western borders on two oceans, and another border to the north that is the longest international frontier in the world?

Any real, practical ideas? Or just “we gotta DO something!” ?[/quote]

Punish employers from hiring them (drinking out of the stream…lol.) Have employers utilize E-verify to ensure they are not hiring illegals. The stream analogy is bogus. It is not a natural environmental issue. People are choosing to bypass the legal process and break the law. Incentivizing this act by giving them drivers license only makes the problem worse. They know they can come to California and be protected by sanctuary city policy. In most counties and cities in this state, if a local police officer discovers someone is here illegally, they are not permitted to turn them over to the feds. You know how many illegal immigrants have got pulled over and convicted for DUI’s and NOT been turned over to the feds and deported? too many.

There are plenty of practical ways to de-incentivize illegal immigration that are not utilized for political reasons.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

  1. They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.

[/quote]

Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

  1. They know that there is a well-established gray labor market that depends entirely upon their willingness and availability to work doing jobs that the mainstream culture feels are below them, in order to keep production costs low enough that the dominant culture can afford cheap food, cheap restaurant service, cheap childcare, cheap housecleaning, cheap landscaping and home maintenance.

[/quote]

Exactly. Punish these employers and take this incentive away. The country will survive just fine without illegal labor. There are plenty of legal immigrants and people on welfare that can fill the void. [/quote]

Just like the Romans were able to survive just fine without their slaves.

I haven’t run the numbers, but have you any idea how much bigger the economy would have to be to fill every single position now held by an illegal migrant worker with a American working for minimum wage? Who would likely have neither the skills, the fortitude, nor the inclination to take the job? Without forced labor supplied by the prisons you could never make it work.

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Ah, the problems associated with public property. If all land was privately held here in the U.S., then immigrants would either be trespassing or accepted on that piece of land. If the immigrant tried to go to another piece of land, the same rules would apply. They would either have to find land they were accepted on, or spend their time here in jail. They would likely willingly go home if it came down to a choice between life in prison and Mexico, since being in jail would probably make it hard for them to send money home to their families.