A little beer never hurt anybody, and a lot of beer never hurts me.
[quote]Arms Afire wrote:
It is not like a cheat meal, however. I’ve never been pulled over by the cops for operation of a motor vehicle while under the influence of too many of the wrong foods. Many of by best stories start “One night when I was out drinking…”. None of them begin “I was just finishing my second pizza when…”.
It’s just not that big of a deal.
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I was just finishing my second pizza pie when I felt this sudden urge to relax upon a porcelein comforter. I heard the parlor had invested one in the back so I decided to check it out. One look inside this 3ft wide decrepit disgusting shitfest of a room, I decided this was the wrong 36 double D for me. As my urge was getting stronger I decided to race to my friends trailer, on my way there an officer pulled me over asked me why I was speeding.
For lack of better words I told him it was a cheat meal day and I had too many carbs from ice cream and pizza. As no crimes were being commited at the time he decided to amuse himself and take the LONGEST time ever to give me a ticket. I preceded to the trailer a bit more carefully when I saw my friends gleaming porcelein thone. It was gorgeous, pearl white silently whispering my name. As I rested on it around the same time that I said “ahh” I noticed a rattle that got stronger and more powerful until finally me and the thrones combined power knocked the trailer on its side. Thats when I decided I would never eat that many carbs in one sitting.
Theres 1.
I stand corrected.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Arms Afire wrote:
It is not like a cheat meal, however. I’ve never been pulled over by the cops for operation of a motor vehicle while under the influence of too many of the wrong foods. Many of by best stories start “One night when I was out drinking…”. None of them begin “I was just finishing my second pizza when…”.
It’s just not that big of a deal.
I was just finishing my second pizza pie when I felt this sudden urge to relax upon a porcelein comforter. I heard the parlor had invested one in the back so I decided to check it out. One look inside this 3ft wide decrepit disgusting shitfest of a room, I decided this was the wrong 36 double D for me. As my urge was getting stronger I decided to race to my friends trailer, on my way there an officer pulled me over asked me why I was speeding.
For lack of better words I told him it was a cheat meal day and I had too many carbs from ice cream and pizza. As no crimes were being commited at the time he decided to amuse himself and take the LONGEST time ever to give me a ticket. I preceded to the trailer a bit more carefully when I saw my friends gleaming porcelein thone. It was gorgeous, pearl white silently whispering my name. As I rested on it around the same time that I said “ahh” I noticed a rattle that got stronger and more powerful until finally me and the thrones combined power knocked the trailer on its side. Thats when I decided I would never eat that many carbs in one sitting.
Theres 1.
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Is this true?
Not at all
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
and it’s only for ladies. sorry. i hear florida is full of your preference though. hit the miami night scene up you horny bastard!
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perfect.
I don’t think cheat meals and binge drinking are the same thing as texasguy mentioned (i really hate that avatar). Of course mass quantities of alcohol will hinder performance…how much though…depends on each person. The fact of the matter is that when you are in college one of the only things to do is drink.
And at that age they can probably adapt much better than 10 years later. People just need to choose priorities and if they can keep acceptable gains (according to them) a good pace while still getting wasted on Saturday, well then good for them. I used to be able to but now at 30 I drink much less because my performance in the gym is more important.
[quote]vbm537 wrote:
I don’t think cheat meals and binge drinking are the same thing as texasguy mentioned (i really hate that avatar). Of course mass quantities of alcohol will hinder performance…how much though…depends on each person. The fact of the matter is that when you are in college one of the only things to do is drink.
And at that age they can probably adapt much better than 10 years later. People just need to choose priorities and if they can keep acceptable gains (according to them) a good pace while still getting wasted on Saturday, well then good for them. I used to be able to but now at 30 I drink much less because my performance in the gym is more important.
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Mass quantities of alchohol will hinder performance while it is in your body. I’m not suggesting he gets loaded on a case of beer in the locker room then goes to try for a personal record on his squats.
Once the alchohol has passed through his system he’ll be fine.
As far as his caloric intake and belly concern, which was the original topic, he didn’t do his body much worse than a large cheat meal would have done.
And just for you:
[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
Mass quantities of alchohol will hinder performance while it is in your body. I’m not suggesting he gets loaded on a case of beer in the locker room then goes to try for a personal record on his squats.
Once the alchohol has passed through his system he’ll be fine.
As far as his caloric intake and belly concern, which was the original topic, he didn’t do his body much worse than a large cheat meal would have done.
And just for you:
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I disagree with your logic but college logic is slightly altered. 10 years ago I would have agreed with you but I think the effects of alcohol go beyond the actual consumption time. A cheat meal may also deliver required nutrients for recovery while alcohol doesn’t give you anything but empty calories…and a good time.
And yes, that avatar is even more ridiculous in the larger size. I look forward to the day you finally change it. I’ll change mine just to get the ball rolling.
[quote]vbm537 wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
Mass quantities of alchohol will hinder performance while it is in your body. I’m not suggesting he gets loaded on a case of beer in the locker room then goes to try for a personal record on his squats.
Once the alchohol has passed through his system he’ll be fine.
As far as his caloric intake and belly concern, which was the original topic, he didn’t do his body much worse than a large cheat meal would have done.
And just for you:
I disagree with your logic but college logic is slightly altered. 10 years ago I would have agreed with you but I think the effects of alcohol go beyond the actual consumption time. A cheat meal may also deliver required nutrients for recovery while alcohol doesn’t give you anything but empty calories…and a good time.
And yes, that avatar is even more ridiculous in the larger size. I look forward to the day you finally change it. I’ll change mine just to get the ball rolling.[/quote]
Experience has shown that alcohol consumption does not affect training in the least, as long as you are not training drunk.
Maybe ten extra years of age and lower hormonal levels is the problem in your equation.
[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
vbm537 wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
Mass quantities of alchohol will hinder performance while it is in your body. I’m not suggesting he gets loaded on a case of beer in the locker room then goes to try for a personal record on his squats.
Once the alchohol has passed through his system he’ll be fine.
As far as his caloric intake and belly concern, which was the original topic, he didn’t do his body much worse than a large cheat meal would have done.
And just for you:
I disagree with your logic but college logic is slightly altered. 10 years ago I would have agreed with you but I think the effects of alcohol go beyond the actual consumption time. A cheat meal may also deliver required nutrients for recovery while alcohol doesn’t give you anything but empty calories…and a good time.
And yes, that avatar is even more ridiculous in the larger size. I look forward to the day you finally change it. I’ll change mine just to get the ball rolling.
Experience has shown that alcohol consumption does not affect training in the least, as long as you are not training drunk.
Maybe ten extra years of age and lower hormonal levels is the problem in your equation.
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What experience are you referring to? JB wrote an article about this but backed it up with some facts.
if you are going to drink there are far better choices than beer. Wine at least has benefits to drinking it, if you know anything about it you look more sophisticated than the next guy, and if you’re set on getting drunk…it has more alcohol content than beer… although i err on the side that alcohol is poison to the body and it works hard to get it out of your system…
[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
Experience has shown that alcohol consumption does not affect training in the least, as long as you are not training drunk.
Maybe ten extra years of age and lower hormonal levels is the problem in your equation.
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here is some experience for you…a quote from JB:
"Although Flintstones vitamins probably do not impact T, many recreational, prescription, and OTC drugs do. Lets start with everyone’s favorite drug, alcohol. In my opinion, alcohol is the single best legal Testosterone suppressor known to mankind. And you don’t need a biochemistry experiment to realize that.
Just look at the physique of any alcoholic for the evidence. And not only do chronic alcoholics suffer from low T as a result of sippin’ a cold one. Numerous studies have shown that even one night on the town can cause T levels to plummet.
In one particular study, men consumed the equivalent of giving 200 ml of alcohol to a 176-lb man. While intoxicated, T levels were 25% lower on average than before consumption. In addition, the time course of T decrease correlated exactly with blood alcohol so when blood alcohol was the highest, blood T was the lowest.(17)
With even lower doses, T levels remained suppressed for 10-16 hours, even after blood alcohol returned to normal.(23,24)
"
This seems to go against your “only when in the system” philosophy. I don’t believe everything I ready but I’ll take his “experience” over yours.
Keep in mind, I am not anti-drinking…I get wasted just like everyone else, but I understand it may inhibit my progress no matter what I try to convince myself of.
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but, I have to agree with texasguy. I am also a college student and I prefer to drink on Friday nights. I do 4 shots before going out and then milk about 4 brews the rest of the night.
I could skip the beer and eat a medium sized domino’s pizza instead. That’s like 1000+ cals, right? Granted, the pizza is not “poisoning” me but nor does it help me meet beautiful babies nor get said beautiful babies intoxicated.
Ahh, to be young again. I won’t be hypocritical and say not to drink because I did the same thing back in college. But anyone who thinks that drinking doesn’t affect your performance even a few days later is fooling themselves.
But with that being said, if you’re young and want to have fun then do it and enjoy yourself. Just know that even though you’re young and can get away with more than us old folks, you still won’t be the best you can be. When I was in college I was in good shape but did drink a lot and I now realize how much better I could have been.
In the past few years I have completed in powerlifting and bodybuilding. While I’m not an elite competitor I couldn’t have done it if I drank like I used too, which was limited to the weekends back then. Now I drink maybe once a month and I usually only have 2-3. At age 35 this old guy is now in the best shape of his life. Bigger, leaner and stronger.
[quote]itsthenickman wrote:
nor does it help me meet beautiful babies nor get said beautiful babies intoxicated.
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Vince Vaughn? Is that you?
You’re so money and you don’t even know it!
[quote]Max wrote:
Ahh, to be young again. I won’t be hypocritical and say not to drink because I did the same thing back in college. But anyone who thinks that drinking doesn’t affect your performance even a few days later is fooling themselves.
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Great post Max…I agree. I don’t want to make it seem like I am against alcohol. If I had to do college over again, I would get wasted just as many times. It’s one of the best times in life. My wife and I love to go out and that usually means drinking sometimes till 5 or 6 in the morning. Because of my training I try to limit those nights but life is too short to just not have them.
I went on a little bit of a bender this past weekend (Fri, Sat). Skipped my workout on Saturday, because I was hungover and my shoulder hurt. Didn’t drink at all on Sunday, but couldn’t fall asleep that night. I had to lift in the PM, because I knew my workout would be shit if I lifted in the morning. I’m going to attempt to be sober this weekend… I’ll let you know how it goes.
[quote]vbm537 wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
Experience has shown that alcohol consumption does not affect training in the least, as long as you are not training drunk.
Maybe ten extra years of age and lower hormonal levels is the problem in your equation.
here is some experience for you…a quote from JB:
"Although Flintstones vitamins probably do not impact T, many recreational, prescription, and OTC drugs do. Lets start with everyone’s favorite drug, alcohol. In my opinion, alcohol is the single best legal Testosterone suppressor known to mankind. And you don’t need a biochemistry experiment to realize that.
Just look at the physique of any alcoholic for the evidence. And not only do chronic alcoholics suffer from low T as a result of sippin’ a cold one. Numerous studies have shown that even one night on the town can cause T levels to plummet.
In one particular study, men consumed the equivalent of giving 200 ml of alcohol to a 176-lb man. While intoxicated, T levels were 25% lower on average than before consumption. In addition, the time course of T decrease correlated exactly with blood alcohol so when blood alcohol was the highest, blood T was the lowest.(17)
With even lower doses, T levels remained suppressed for 10-16 hours, even after blood alcohol returned to normal.(23,24)
"
This seems to go against your “only when in the system” philosophy. I don’t believe everything I ready but I’ll take his “experience” over yours.
Keep in mind, I am not anti-drinking…I get wasted just like everyone else, but I understand it may inhibit my progress no matter what I try to convince myself of. [/quote]
That’s not JB’s Experience, thats a study that he has read.
We’re also talking about binge drinking not alcoholism. He says look at any physique, well lets take an Olympic bodybuilding one. How about Arnold
“His primitive ways were most reflective in lifting “retreats” that he and his buddies would go on in the Austrian countryside, as described in another Tyler-written story. They’d load up several cars with weights and drive to a remote area in the trees where they could train. They’d squat from morning till afternoon, then rest and drink beer, then go right back to squatting again. That’s how they did it–pick an exercise and do it until you can’t do it anymore.”
Many other champions in all sports are known to close the bars. I’m not saying that you should go out and drink to perform better just that unless the OP is in the top ten of his sport knocking a few back on weekends isn’t whats keeping him from being the best.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
That’s not JB’s Experience, thats a study that he has read.
We’re also talking about binge drinking not alcoholism. He says look at any physique, well lets take an Olympic bodybuilding one. How about Arnold
“His primitive ways were most reflective in lifting “retreats” that he and his buddies would go on in the Austrian countryside, as described in another Tyler-written story. They’d load up several cars with weights and drive to a remote area in the trees where they could train. They’d squat from morning till afternoon, then rest and drink beer, then go right back to squatting again. That’s how they did it–pick an exercise and do it until you can’t do it anymore.”
Many other champions in all sports are known to close the bars. I’m not saying that you should go out and drink to perform better just that unless the OP is in the top ten of his sport knocking a few back on weekends isn’t whats keeping him from being the best.
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I never said it was JB’s experience. I said it was experience…yes, based on a study. This debate is getting dumb now. I think we all agree a few beers will not hurt anyone. I think we all agree constant binge drinking will. And in between all that we all find our sweet spot. Will I drink this weekend, most likely. Will I have have a good workout on Monday, most likely, will my body composition improve with alcohol…doubt it, without it…probably. It all depends on ones goals and to what extreme they will go to achieve those goals. I try and avoid these mindless debates but admittedly I got stuck in this one.